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Deceiver_0
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Reply #151 July 8, 2009 12:18:12 AM
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I also agree revalation needs help on its level 6 ability.Its other abilities are ok and could use minor tweaks in am usage but its hysteria just sucks for anything besides 6000 hp planets.Maybe its 6 ability could do something with culture but faster.Maybe drain the culture of planet until it uses its am up.Like an on off type thing.A 6000 hp planet would take all of its reserve while smaller stuff would take less.It could do surrounding culture at half speed while its on.That way you could use it to boost your culture attacks.Would fit inline with synergies.

Maybe you could start a section for the sb.For example. I think aussalt specialists should have only 1 level because the 2nd level builds too fast.You have to have massive firepower to kill it before its built and good luck at killing it after that.The thing upgrades super fast.

Tecs factory upgrade needs to be much cheaper to put on a sb imo.You lose alot when you use up slots for it and while its nice its to expensive for what it gives you.

Advents sw needs major help on its culture damage as well.It might get used more if it didnt have prerequisites like the kostura.

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Reply #152 July 8, 2009 12:41:02 AM
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Quoting -Ue_Carbon,
reply 23
Actually I dont see it either, maybe it got deleated by chance.

I think it for Entrechment 1.03, and if it applies 1.17.

Yep but its too small. Even I missed it (but I knew what version the vote is for from talking about it before).

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Reply #153 July 8, 2009 12:57:19 AM
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Ok, I'll make it more visible.

Mindseye-

SBs and Superweapons have been on my mind for a little while, you can expect to see some topics for those added.

Carbon-

A petition may be a good idea, my only concern is that changing fundamental coding in ICO, and altering the way it works is quite an undertaking and maybe asking a bit much of the developers (who have plenty of things on their plate). Most of the topics on this forum are pretty simple value changes (save for a select few), easily patchable, while adding in an Auto d/l system and ladder/matching system is more likely to be added in an expansion (allowing plenty of time for beta testing and tweaking). I may make a separate thread for a petition to show support for such changes, but I won't put them here.

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Reply #154 July 8, 2009 2:07:33 AM
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Well agreed, its been addressed that if using Impluse to download Map Packs, that would be a great way to get custom maps incirculation. I dont want to suggest reworking critical code for those ideas. I just wanted it to be noted that, whoever signed their name under the suggestion that they suppoted that IC would at least see we as a community, would request a way to better those said improvements. Some feedback in those other post from Blair or any of the IC team would help us work around it any maybe come to some kind of alternative solution. Like I said just trying to condense more community request for improvments into this great post. The less anyone including IC has to search through all the post the better it is for everyone.

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Reply #155 July 8, 2009 3:13:16 AM
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I also agree revalation needs help on its level 6 ability

Now I know that I'm not the only one that thinks that the Revelation needs a boost.

As I mentioned earlier, seige frigates need to a boost. They are the most useless unit in the game. I'm surprised that it isn't on this thread already.

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Reply #156 July 8, 2009 3:31:46 AM
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straight from the updated patch notes, incase everyone missed it </sarcasm>

  • Carrier's squadron buildrate penalty with enemy units in the gravity well reduced from 25% to 15%.

    • what's with all the rock vs. rock balancing anyway?

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    Reply #157 July 8, 2009 4:45:03 AM
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    Touching cap ship abilities is a delicate subject. I, for one, believe that about a half of Vasari abilities should be reworked. 
    Note that 
    1] 90% MP games never see any other Vasari ship than the EGG! or the Desolator,
    2] 90% MP Vasari roll an EGG at the start 
    so I'm not completely paranoid here.

    I sincerely believe cap ships should be left out of this thread, otherwise we'll find ourselves discussing 40 cap ship abilities atop of what is already being voted upon.
    Make a new thread if anything.

    Oh and Deceiver, if you have the time - it could be helpful if you linked posts with more complex answers in the main post.

    For Example:

    SEREVUN OVERSEER
    ...
    Allow 'Jump Degradation' to do a damage % to incoming enemy vessels' hulls?:

                                  Yay-              Deceiver_0 (5-10%)  Soasertsus(20%AM)  Darvin3
                                                      milo896              N3rull(speed reduction)

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    Reply #158 July 8, 2009 5:43:00 AM
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    straight from the updated patch notes, incase everyone missed it

    really? I didn't notice that   *facepalm*

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    Reply #159 July 8, 2009 9:55:04 AM
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    Guardian:

    Increase AM cost: yay

    Repulsion: fix the physics engine and maybe make ships powering their phase engines immune to the push

     

    Cap Carriers: Increase number of squadrons

     

    Illum:

    If nerfed to be on balance with the other LRF it should be optainable at an earlier tech lvl... its on tier 3 so it should be logical that it is the most powerful. I agree that it's too tough for an LRF so i'd opt for a reduce of hull.

     

    Missle barrage: basically what Darvin said, fewer waves but shorter cooldown

     

     

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    Reply #160 July 8, 2009 10:33:47 AM
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    dude.. vasari only have that SB for a structure destroyer and now you want to nerf it? minds youve lost it. and since when does the revelation need a boost? it kills planets the fastest! "(heaviliy fortified ones @ like 4500+ HP). the revelation does not need a boost. to anything.

    and seriously.. the vas SB is all we have and now you want to nerf it? we may as well nerf meteor storm. or big red button..? assault deployment is fine. stop bashing vasari. especially if you dont play it.

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    Reply #161 July 8, 2009 10:41:55 AM
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    Well, as far as the revelation goes, I'd say 2% damage for 20 seconds instead... Same total damage, but it happens faster...

     

    and Asc, how often do you play as the others?  Who wanted to nerf it again?

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    Reply #162 July 8, 2009 11:02:18 AM
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    dude i play as the others everyday man.i never said nerf the revelation?

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    Reply #163 July 8, 2009 11:11:55 AM
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    I play vasari but not a ton.I play advent the most and they dont have an anti sb unit either.You are much better off getting bombers then a starfish.Vasari sb has a huge advantage in that it can move.All I am saying is reduce its build speed in enemy wells.Its to hard to counter imo.Vas already get their sb at level 2.If nothing else aussalt spec should be a higher tier because you need a huge fleet to counter it.The diff between the red button and meteor is the enemy gets to decide when to engage it.The enemy doesnt get to decide when you sneak a sb on their hw.Besides you shouldnt worry to much bring your overseers and there are many buffs proposed here and I think vas will be getting some buffs.

    Most planets in mp are not 4500+ and thats why revalation sucks so bad.Marza can snipe a roid in seconds and so can egg but it prolly takes longer to kill a roid with revs 6 then if you just let it bomb it.Thats my point.

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    Reply #164 July 8, 2009 11:12:27 AM
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    Just curious...

    Sorry, that last part was referencing you complaining about someone wanting to nerf the Vas SB... I wanted to know who it was...

     

    Now that I have clarified myself, could you respond to what I meant rather than what I said...

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    Reply #165 July 8, 2009 3:08:36 PM
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    I think a fix to repulse would be to increase the cooldown time, and not let cooldown begin until the ability is turned off (the latter may already be true, I don't play advent very often).

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    Reply #166 July 8, 2009 3:14:01 PM
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    Volt im not entirely sure what your asking me to address.

    Mind we both know you dont play vasari. we both know that vasari shit is expensive. the fact that you are complaining about ti being too fast with assault deployment is fact enough. revs are fine the way they are with THE best planet killer in the game. ask anyone. sure marzas can snipe. sure eggs can drain. but even if you dont bash the entire planet in 1 hit you still kill off like 100+ pop. more than the marza AND egg. advent DO have a anti structure cruiser whether is sucks or not YOU STILL HAVE ONE. for every 3 structure destroyers you buy i get 1 unupgraded SB. thats completely fair. our sb acts as our structure destroyer. 

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    Reply #167 July 8, 2009 3:20:14 PM
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    Cooldowns begin as soon as the ability is activated.  Increasing the cooldown ought to work as it would make it necessary to have many more to achieve the same result.  My personal idea was to reduce the range, thus making them susceptible to counters, and thus, not immortal.  Sure, LRM's can get through, but they don't do much...  Their true counters like LF's and HC's can't get through repulse, and thus their anti AM abilities are useless...  LF's get shredded by illums anyways, so that is why you don't send in LF's...  HC's can hit both hard, but just can't get through the guardian's repulse...

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    Reply #168 July 8, 2009 3:58:11 PM
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    Meh... I actually kinda like the balance the way it is.

     

    Ima go ahead and say

     

    NAY to everything EXCEPT:

    Yay to increase turning speed on light frigs and the support cruisers that need to be pointing the right way (domina subjugators, overseers, and ceilos)

    YAY to rework scramble bombers.

    and the sova... needs help... but there are no sova-specific questions up there... why?

    and strike craft being more effective (and harder to kill with flack) when stationary... this is just plain wrong.... another thing not up there.

    making the ablities auto-targeting better is also allways nice... so stupid to see domina subjagators doing stupid shizz... and subverters and ceilos using their ablities on whatever the rest of the fleet is not focusing fire on...

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    Reply #169 July 8, 2009 4:18:27 PM
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    Reply #170 July 8, 2009 4:41:02 PM
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    I play vasari but not a ton.I play advent the most and they dont have an anti sb unit either.You are much better off getting bombers then a starfish.
    I'm not gonna repeat all the numbers I put down in another thread some time ago, but basically the Advent Strikecraft are about twice as effective as the Vasari. So what that Vasari has them somewhat tougher and deal somewhat more if you have four times as many and rebuild them almost twice as fast.

    Seriously, Advent bomber spam takes down Starbases a huge lot more effectively than Vasari strikecraft. That's why the starfish is what it is instead of an Ogrov style one-target killer.

    Advent is fine against Orkies. If you had any problems with an orky being deployed too fast, you did something wrong. It doesn't upgrade insanely fast. With maxed assault deployment, Orkies build and upgrade in your territory as fast as you would build and upgrade in a neutral territory.
    Besides, a fresh out-of-the-box orky is still a piece of junk, not much more deadly than two level 1 caps.

    If there is anything screwed about the orkulus is that it doesn't work at all against another already deployed orky (that's been covered extensively elsewhere).

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    Reply #171 July 8, 2009 5:13:14 PM
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    Thanks for all the feed back fellas.

    It's going to take a me a little time to get to all these great suggestions.

    I will tell you all that the next topic going up is Siege Frigates, who definitely need some attention. I'll be studying them today to come up with some fixes.

    N3rull-

    I have always wanted to do that, but can't figure out how to code that in html on the forums. I see that the example you created has a link to this thread with "get;2293182" on the end, but I can't figure out how that relates to your reply from earlier, how did you come across that number? This will allow me to post peoples ideas that are too complicated to fit on the poll.

    Vitamin J-

    Good idea. I'll be sure to put that in the repulse section next time I update.

    Ascension and Mindseye-

    Understand that there will be bias opinions here, theres no avoiding it, best thing to do is vote for things you think will help the game. And for SBs, I'm dreaming up some tweaks but topics I'll suggest will blanket and effect all SBs. Personally I think the relationship between SBs is fine, but the relationship between Assault weapons and Sbs is somewhat flawed. I think that all sbs should get a sizeable damage penalty against the ogrovs and starfish (vasari Sbs serve their Assault purpose extremely well, while ogrovs and starfish are space junk when engaging a vasari sb)

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    Reply #172 July 8, 2009 6:06:23 PM
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    Severun Overseer:

    Reactive Nanites is a powerful ability, but these ships are very unwieldy to use and expensive to boot.  360 ability use is probably too much, so will vote.

    Increase Firing Arc : Y

     

    Enforcer

    Increase Damage: Y

     

    Subjugator

    Targetting AI could be improved.: Y

    360 ability use.:  N

    Increase the firing arc of repair ability only.

    Channeling should remain at least for Subjugation ability to maintain 1:1 ratio of disabled ships.

     

    Light Frigates:

    Increase Damage: Y

     

    Guardians:

    Nerf AM Cost: Y

    No Affect Caps:  Y  (Unless you can fix the physics engine so capitals are not immobilized when they keep getting tapped by Repulse)

     

    Carriers:

    Reduce Movement Penalty: N

    Reduce Build Penalty: Y

    I believe Flak was previously ineffective due to targetting issues.  I used to watch flak firing at ships as fighters whizzed around them.  When Flak didn't have much else to shoot at, it was very effective at killing fighters.  I know this because I used to make armies of flak to torment and confuse people.  When flak received range and targetting enhancements and carriers got a build penalty, it was a bit too much.  Still, carriers are not completely ineffective!!!  They are just making bombers more than fighters now -- the result is there is no easy answer to how to kill Long Range Frig backed by flak.

     

    Missile Barrage:  Please make EVEN MORE visible.
    (I should probably look into one of the graphical mods that I hear fix this)

     

    Vasari Scouts:  Could use +0.5 more dps

     

    Illuminators:  Could afford to lose some hull points

     

     

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    Reply #173 July 8, 2009 10:28:04 PM
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    i didnt vote this before but illums need to have a HP nerf. not sheilds but hp. right now they have so much health that they cream assilents even with phase missile upgrades. Not a huge one but maybe bringing it down to 500 or something.

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    Reply #174 July 9, 2009 12:10:10 AM
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    (I should probably look into one of the graphical mods that I hear fix this)

    Indeed one could do this, but for many, like myself, our graphics cards simply can't handle most of the graphics mods out there. Something simple thats included would be great, just so we can see it without having to zoom in and watch the Marza like a hawk, or wait until our entire fleet starts flashing red.

    Thanks for the input Cykur

    Oh and BLAIR,

    You wrote somewhere that a good deal of theses issues are under debate between you and your Co-workers. I think it would be great to hear some of the arguements and counter arguements you guys are throwing around, to help keep us from banging our heads against a wall, as I'm sure you guys have thought of things we haven't.

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    Reply #175 July 9, 2009 2:49:22 AM
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    Deceiver - to the left of every post is the avatar and the name of the poster.
    Above the name it says "Reply #xxx", indicating which replay it is, but this is also a link. If you click it, it will send you directly to the post it is attached to.
    Click it and then copy-paste the address line into your link query window as you write your post (or right-click the "Reply #xxx" and click "copy link").

    Oh and

    Quoting Deceiver_0,
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    (vasari Sbs serve their Assault purpose extremely well, while ogrovs and starfish are space junk when engaging a vasari sb)
    That is plain wrong in my opinion. An amount of Ogrovs worth 60% of the Orky's cost will annihilate it. You just have to support them well (flak burst anyone?? Stop building those stupid Marza in masses and use something else aye?).
    Yes, a single ogrov won't down an Orky simply because it will come under fire, but it still does SERIOUS damage.

    As for orkies assault usefulness - use your clock and check how long it takes for the orky to become a fair match for a deployed starbase and think of 100 things you can do to stop it.
    I can think of 101.

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