For Sins 1.18 and Entrenchment 1.04
This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.
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REFERENCESSeveral members of the community have taken it upon themselves to run tests to prove imbalances and recommend possible fixes. I would Encourage everyone commenting here to read these and become more informed.Raging Amish's Lums vs Enforcers JJs HC Tests JJs Illum Tests
Deceivers Subjugator thread Deceivers Cap Carrier thread
RAGING AMISH's Balance MOD
Game BugsThese need to be addressed before anything else. The following is a compiled list of all known game bugs. Thanks to Pawelo for helping me compile and test these. If you can think of any others that aren't on here leave a comment to let me know.-Embargo Level 2 and 3 do not stop cargo ships.-Phasic Trap Research level 2 does not do anything.-Magnetize does not interrupt channeled abilities-Disruptive Strikes does not work on pulse beams-Allegiance through wormholes is flawed.-Wrong Sound effects on: Anima Tempest, repair cloud, nanite armor, EMP blast-Infocard errors: Dunov shield restore does not increase mitigation, labs do not speed up build time
-Akkan Colonize ability does not always spawn extractors at lvl2 and lvl3.
-Subverters Disrupt Shields can not target structures with shields-Some musics and Orange Skybox are not used.
SOLANUS ADJUDICATORS
The adjudicator, while it can target multiple structures, just doesnt have the punch its TEC cousin the Ogrovs has and has difficulty handling tight clusters of structures supported by repair bays. Also, without a well functioning healing unit, the poor adjudicator simply cant live long enough in the throws of battle to make a huge difference. We've discussed the changes, now its time to get official votes on them.
Buff the Adjudicator- Change armor type?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun N3rull eoncommander
Nay- Dargoon999 Warlord Mike
Reduce supply cost?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun Dargoon999 Warlord Mike Darvin3 SivCorp eoncommander
Nay-
Reduce number of firing banks to increase damage per target?:
Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- Kitkun N3rull Dargoon999
Increase damage?:
Nay- Kitkun Dargoon999
Increase shields?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun eoncommander
No Fix Needed- Ryat Extremor
MINES
These little critters were introduced in Entrenchment and have been seldom used. They are purely defensive, extremely expensive, and a huge gamble to put your money in. There's been much discussion on possible fixes, but now its time for an official vote, so here you go.
Buff Mines Increase damage? Yay- Juletron Whiskey144 SivCorp Extremor Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase damage radius? Yay- Top Vasari Whiskey144 EadTaes Warlord Mike Ovi_187 SivCorp Extremor eoncommander Nay- Juletron N3rull Raging Amish Kitkun Increase activation radius? Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- EadTaes JuleTron N3rull Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Increase mines per deployment? Yay- eoncommander Nay- EadTaes N3rull Raging Amish Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Increase deployment spread? Yay- Warlord Mike Extremor eoncommander Nay- Juletron EadTaes N3rull Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun Decrease cost? Yay- Juletron Mindseye(25%) EadTaes(25%) Dargoon999 Whiskey144 N3rull(20%) Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Nay- Raging Amish eoncommander Reduce build time for Proximity Mines(TEC)? Yay- Juletron Whiskey144 EadTaes Raging Amish Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Nay- Increase duration of Gravity Mines(Vasari)? Yay- Juletron N3rull Mindseye Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish Fix homming mines AI to return to original deployment location(Advent)? Yay- JuleTron EadTaes N3rull Mindseye Warlord Mike Ovi_187 SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Raging Amish
Make Gravity Mines an upgrade to existing mines?
Yay- N3rull Juletron Dargoon999 Ue-Carbon Deceiver_0 Mindseye Kitkun Extremor
Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish
No fix needed-
SIEGE FRIGATESCosting more than most Heavy Cruisers, one would expect siege frigates to be able to handle a simple task like bombing a planet to oblivion, but with their super thin and weak hulls they certainly aren't worth the cost, and with Entrenchments bombardment protection on starbases, siege frigates find themselves in the obsolete unit pile. Personally I think they should be tough as nails since all they do is bomb planets and cost loads of resources and precious supply. With a decent buff these units could be the terror they once were and possibly bring back some of the planetary defense tech that fell from use after their nerf. (planetary shielding anyone?) Buff Siege Frigates Increase Hp/shields/armor?: Yay- Deceiver_0(Hp) Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 Ryat EadTaes Dargoon999(10%) N3rull(+nerf) Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Soasertsus Cykur Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor Change armor type (currently light)?: Yay- Deceiver_0(v. heavy) Soasertsus(v. heavy) Volt_Cruelerz(heavy/v.heavy) EadTaes (heavy) Dargoon999(heavy) N3rull(heavy) SivCorp Extremor(heavy) eoncommander Nay- Darvin3 Cykur Ryat Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Decrease Resource cost?: Yay- Soasertsus Darvin3 EadTaes Howdidudothat Sobric Extremor Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Cykur Ryat Dargoon999 Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Decrease Supply Cost?: Yay- Soasertsus(6) Darvin3 Cykur Ryat(10) EadTaes(10) Dargoon999(10) Mindseye Howdidudothat Raging Amish(12) Ascension(12) Ovi_187 mbaron888(8) Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Extremor Increase Bombardment damage?: Yay- Volt_Cruelerz Dargoon999(20%) Warlord Mike Extremor Nay- Soasertsus Darvin3 Cykur Ryat EadTaes Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander
Make TEC Heavy Fallout Active (currently passive)?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 Cykur Ryat Dargoon999 N3rull Mindseye Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Nay- EadTaes Ascension Howdidudothat Reduce Heavy Fallout effect time (currently 6 minutes)?: Yay- Darvin3 Sobric Warlord Mike Nay- Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Cykur Ryat EadTaes Dargoon999 Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Kitkun Reduce Xp value (currently 65xp)?: Yay- Soasertsus Darvin3(40) Cykur EadTaes(15) Dargoon999(30) Ovi_187 Kitkun Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Ryat Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Sobric Warlord Mike Apply fixes to siege militia?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 EadTaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Nay- Ryat Ascension Howdidudothat Apply fixes to siege pirates?: Yay- Darvin3 EadTaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Nay- Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Ryat Ascension Howdidudothat Sobric No Fix Needed-
SEREVUN OVERSEERThe overseer is a powerful, but seldom used ship due to it's current lack of usability. I'd recommend anyone planning on voting on this topic read a few of the replies on page 5, where Ascension and I debated some changes. I've also thrown in a few ideas to make overseers 'Jump Degradation' ability a little more potent for the 100AM and channeling it costs. Buff Serevun Overseers- Increase firing arc of abilities?: Yay- Deceiver_0 JuleTron Volt_Cruelerz Ascension Soasertsus milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull Mindseye Cykur EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Pbhead Sobric Increase turn rate?: Yay- Deceiver_0 JuleTron Volt_Cruelerz Ascension Soasertsus milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- EadTaes Sobric SivCorp Make 'Reactive nanite armor' omnidirectional (360 degrees)?: Yay- Ascension Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor
Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Darvin3 milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull Mindseye Pbhead EadTaes Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase reduction of jump speed for 'Jump Degradation'?: Yay- milo896 Howdidudothat Mindseye EadTaes Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Soasertsus lifekatana Pbhead Raging Amish Allow 'Jump Degradation' to do a damage % to incoming enemy vessels' hulls?: Yay- Deceiver_0 (5-10%) Soasertsus(20%AM) Darvin3 milo896 N3rull(speed reduction) Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Howdidudothat lifekatana Mindseye Pbhead EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor
Allow 'Jump Degradation' to disable passive regeneration?
Yay- Raging Amish Deceiver_0 Diplominator Juletron Sobric Extremor
Nay- Ovi_187 Howdidudothat Cykur Kitkun No Fix Needed-SKAROVAS ENFORCERThe relative weakness of the Enforcer has recently been brought to the forums attention (thanks JohnJames). With their higher resource cost, higher supply cost and more expensive upgrades, enforcers are unfortunately left in the dust by their counterparts. Many speculate that their extra ability (reintegration) is the cause for such a skewed balance, while others agree that reintegration lacks the power enforcers deserve. The following are some fixes that have been proposed. Personally, I think the Vasari should get a little more for what they pay for. Buff Skarovas Enforcers- Decrease Resource Cost?: Yay- Ascension EadTaes Sobric Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Howdidudothat Darvin3 Mindseye Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Decrease Supply Cost?: Yay- Soasertsus Sobric Extremor Nay- Deceiver_0 Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Howdidudothat Darvin3 Mindseye EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase hp/shields/armor?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 EadTaes(armor+1) Raging Amish SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Soasertsus lifekatana Howdidudothat Mindseye Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor Increase Damage?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ascension JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye Cykur EadTaes(22) Raging Amish(21.6) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Extremor Cheaper damage upgrades?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Top Vasari Ascension DesConnor Raging Amish N3rull lifekatana JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye EadTaes Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor eoncommander Nay- Soasertsus Ovi_187 Kitkun Higher reintegration rate?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Top Vasari Soasertsus N3rull lifekatana JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Nay- Mindseye EadTaes Raging Amish Extremor No Fix Needed- PbheadDOMINA SUBJUGATORSThe domina has been an a lot of peoples (f spending money on that) list for sometime. I tested and observed the subjugator while I was examining carrier caps and wrote a report on them as well. Here's some fixes that have been proposed for the Domina as well as the Stilakus Subverter (whose destiny is quite intertwined with the domina). I'll be putting the Subverter question under the REPULSE section as it has to do more as a counter to it. Buff Domina Subjugators- Increase firing arc of abilities?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Mindseye Darvin3 Gugabalog Cykur(heal only) Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- EadTaes lifekatana Pbhead Increase turn rate?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Gugabalog Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander Nay- EadTaes lifekatana Make abilities AOE?: Yay- Warlord Mike SivCorp eoncommander Nay- Deceiver_0 EadTaes Gugabalog Darvin3 lifekatana Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Remove channeling from abilities?: Yay- EadTaes Gugabalog lifekatana Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Nay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Mindseye Pbhead Ovi_187 SivCorp eoncommander Fix Targeting AI (on all abilities for all races) to prevent wasteful use?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 EadTaes Gugabalog Soasertsus lifekatana Mindseye Pbhead Cykur Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- Pbhead No Fix Needed-CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPSI've noticed people use Carrier Caps generally for 1 ability, and not for the strikecraft and SC bonuses they offer. Weaker than most other classes, they are sparse and somewhat unthreatening on the battle field. Personally I think they should offer more benefit in the strike craft department than they do now. I've written a detailed report on them, and taken some of the proposed changes from it for this thread. Buff Carrier Caps- Increase Initial Armor? Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat Howdidudothat Gugabalog Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Nay- Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor Swordsalmon lifekatana Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor eoncommander Increase Squadron Capacity? Yay- Deceiver_0 (see thread) Soasertsus Ryat -Ue_Carbon ReadyMan Howdidudothat mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog N3rull lifekatana -aceca- Derek06 Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Darvin3 Raging Amish Make SC buffs AOE? Yay- EadTaes DesConnor Swordsalmon Gugabalog Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Extremor Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon Howdidudothat mbaron888 Pirate-Jack lifekatana Pbhead Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)? Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Kitkun Nay- Soasertsus Ryat -Ue_Carbon mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Ovi_187 Extremor eoncommander Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon Howdidudothat mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog N3rull lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- No Fix Needed-LIGHT FRIGATESMost agree that Light Frigates don't scale well. Being limited in their usefulness early game, and becoming almsot complete obsolete late game with Heavy Cruiser research. Many ideas have been thrown around to get light frigates back on the battle field. Buff Light Frigates- Increase Damage?: Yay- TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3 -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat JuleTron Pirate-Jack N3rull Ascension Cykur Dargoon999(20%) Raging Amish(Vasari: 12) Ovi_187 SivCorp(10%) Nay- Volt_cruelerz mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead EadTaes Sobric Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Increase Damage bonus to heavy armor type?: Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog -Ue_carbon JuleTron Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor(Light) Ascension lifekatana EadTaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish(175%+) Ovi_187 Sobric SivCorp(25%) Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Volt_cruelerz Pbhead Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?: Yay- Deceiver_0(armor) TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3 JuleTron Ascension lifekatana Dargoon999(10%) Ovi_187 Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- Volt_cruelerz Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor Pbhead EadTaes Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Kitkun Extremor Increase ability range?: Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon JuleTron Ascension Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Increase firing arc?: Yay- TheRezonator Gugabalog -Ue_carbon JuleTron Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat DesConnor N3rull Ascension Eadtaes Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor Nay- Volt_cruelerz mbaron888 lifekatana Pbhead Dargoon999 Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase turn speed?: Yay- Darvin3 EadTaes TheRezonator Pirate-Jack ReadyMan Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor Mindseye N3rull Ascension Pbhead Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor eoncommander Nay- lifekatana Kitkun Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3 Volt_cruelerz JuleTron Pirate-Jack mbaron888 DesConnor N3rull Ascension lifekatana Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Howdidudothat Pbhead Nerf Counters- Decrease LRF Damage?: Yay- Proletari Darvin3 Azrak_Navarion ReadyMan Howdidudothat Mindseye Ascension Eadtaes Dargoon999(10%) Nay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Pirate-Jack mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Decrease LRF damage bonus to medium armor?
Yay- Deceiver_0(125%) Ovi_187 Howdidudothat Sobric eoncommander
Nay- N3rull Cykur Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
Increase LRF resource cost?: Yay- Extremor Nay- Deceiver_0 Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander No Fix Needed- Soasertsus dresdaREPULSE:Many have said repulse needs a fix. Personally I agree. Nerf Guardians- Increase AM cost?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Raging Amish crashmatusow Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz Tohron Darvin 3 Top vasari mbaron888 Proletari -Ue_carbon Major Stress Mindseye Azrak_Navarion lbgsloan Gugabalog Soasertsus Howdidudothat JuleTron DesConnor lifekatana -aceca- Derek06 Cykur Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- dresda
Increase cooldown rate?
Yay- Raging Amish Deceiver_0 Howdidudothat Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Ovi_187 Juletron Sobric Cykur
Decrease AOE?: Yay- Gugabalog -Ue_carbon DesConnor eoncommander Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress crashmatusow Mindseye Soasertsus Howdidudothat dresda lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Increase resource cost?: Yay- Ascension Volt_cruelerz Sobric Extremor Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus Mindseye Gugabalog Howdidudothat dresda DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander Cause damage to shields?: Yay- EadTaes Volt_cruelerz dresda Nay- Major Stress Mindseye Soasertsus Gugabalog Howdidudothat DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Buff Counters- Increase LF ability range?: Yay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus Mindseye DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Ovi_187 No affect to Cap Ships?: Yay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Volt_cruelerz DesConnor Cykur Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Mindseye Gugabalog Soasertsus lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Increase Distortion Field (targeting) range?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Sobric Kitkun eoncommander Nay- lifekatana crashmatusow Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Extremor No Fix Needed-MISSILE BARRAGE:This has been a heated issue for several months. In the most recent patch, the devs made the graphic unique (red missile exhaust?) and extended the duration while reducing dps. Was this enough? Nerf Missile Barrage- Decrease total damage?: Yay- Extremor Nay- mbaron888 Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Increase AM cost? Yay- Ascension Ovi_187 Nay- mbaron888 Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor Decrease AOE? Yay- Tohron mbaron888 Howdidudothat JuleTron DesConnor Sobric Nay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Extremor Buff Counters- Increase range on ability interrupts?: Yay- Tohron TheRezonator Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor Nay- Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor LF abilities can target caps?: Yay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Sobric Warlord Mike Nay- Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor N3rull Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Extremor Graphic/Audio Improvement?: Yay- Eadtaes Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat N3rull lifekatana Derek06 Cykur Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- DesConnor No Fix Needed- Deceiver_0 EadTaes Azrak_Navarion Major Stress Top vasari Soasertsus ReadyMan lifekatana SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander CARRIERS:Extensively nerfed in the previous 2 patches, carriers have lost their place as a hard counter to long ranged frigates, as flak frigates can now destroy fighters much faster than they are built, and long ranged frigates can now hunt the carriers themselves down. Buff Carriers- Decrease build penalty?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Ascension crashmatusow Pirate - Jack mbaron888 Volt_cruelerz lbgsloan Gugabalog Top vasari Soasertsus Howdidudothat JuleTron N3rull lifekatana Derek06 Cykur Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- DesConnor Raging Amish Extremor Increase fighter HP?: Yay- Ascension Mindseye Azrak_Navarion Gugabalog Howdidudothat Derek06 Extremor Nay- Pirate - Jack mbaron888 Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus DesConnor lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Reduce movement penalty?: Yay- Tohron Soasertsus Raging Amish mbaron888 Gugabalog Howdidudothat JuleTron ReadyMan DesConnor Derek06 Sobric SivCorp Extremor Nay- Pirate - Jack crashmatusow lifekatana Cykur Deceiver_0 Ovi_187 Kitkun Nerf Counters- Reduce Flak rate of fire?: Yay- EadTaes Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- Mindseye Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus Howdidudothat DesConnor lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Extremor No Fix Needed- Major Stress -Ue_carbon PbheadSCOUTS:With the recent nerf to carriers, scouts have come to the forefront as a decent anti-lrf ship, and with their new found popularity some changes have been suggested. Nerf Scouts- Reduce damage buff against light armor?: Yay- Volt_cruelerz Ovi_187 Nay- Deceiver_0 Ascension Soasertsus Gugabalog Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Increase scout supply requirement?: Yay- Nay- Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
Increase resource cost?: Yay- Nay- Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Buff Vasari Scouts- Increase Hp/Shields?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Raging Amish Volt_cruelerz Ascension Pirate - Jack Soasertsus Mindseye TheRezonator Howdidudothat Derek06 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Dargoon999 Extremor Nay- Gugabalog Ovi_187 Increase damage?: Yay- Ascension Raging Amish Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Cykur(+.5dps) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Dargoon999 Nay- Extremor No Fix Needed- EadTaes mbaron888 JuleTron Major Stress -Ue_carbon ReadyMan DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead eoncommanderILLUMINATORS:The relative strength of illuminators has been under debate for some time, and many fixes have been proposed, here are a few, let me know if you’ve got others. I've done my own research, and have posted my findings. Nerf Illuminators- Increase resource cost?: Yay- Ascension Volt_cruelerz Ovi_187 Pirate - Jack EadTaes Top vasari lbgsloan Gugabalog Azrak_Navarion Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Extremor Nay- Major Stress -Ue_carbon lifekatana Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander Adjust damage division between beams?: Yay- Deceiver_0(33%) mbaron888 -Ue_carbon Gugabalog DesConnor N3rull Ascension Derek06 Raging Amish(33%) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus Howdidudothat lifekatana Kitkun Extremor Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?: Yay- Pirate - Jack (hp only) EadTaes TheRezonator Ascension Gugabalog -Ue_carbon Soasertsus Howdidudothat DesConnor -aceca- Derek06 Cykur Raging Amish(Hp&Armor) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor(450/500) eoncommander Nay- Major Stress Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus lifekatana Increase supply requirement?: Yay- DesConnor Derek06 Kitkun Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog Soasertsus Howdidudothat lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor eoncommander Decrease Damage?: Yay- EadTaes Ascension Soasertsus Major Stress Gugabalog ReadyMan DesConnor(Caps only) N3rull lifekatana Ovi_187 Extremor Nay- Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander No Fix Needed- mbaron888 Mindseye dresda Pbhead
More to come-
This thing dies too quickly and it doesn't outrange repulse. If they did outrange repulse then maybe their survivability would increase. As Deceiver said, a boost to the overseer would also help.
A lerger issue is the usefulness of the overseer's other abilities. Mobile phase Detection is not even close to being worth the cost when you can just get the cheaper and superior long-range sensor upgrades. Jump degradation is okay I think.
No... its worthless... I always have hated that... By the time I have time to make seven labs, I may as well make one more and get that huge bonus... I guess its because they are in different trees...
Mobile phase detection ties in directly to jump degradation, If you can't detect incoming enemy reinforcements, then its ridiculous to spend 100AM and have your overseer channel the ability for 2 minutes to delay reinforcements that may or may not be coming, which is why the Overseer is given the ability to detect them. I still think its dumb to spend 100AM and Channel for 2 minutes just to make enemy reinforcements take 2x as long to jump into the system (especially if phase lanes are really short, gravwells ontop of eachother FTW?). It needs to do a little bit more to be worth the cost for research and deployment, which is why I think some damage to the hull (like starbases) would make it worth it and make people want to use it.
What is the general view of the Ruiner? It doesn't get much attention and so I'm curious as to whether people think that it is decent or not.
Also the Revelation needs a boost. Reverie is ok, Clairvoyance and Guidance are meh and Provoke Hysteria is ok I think. Nothing is particularly decent about it. It has weak guns, low health and abilities that aren't that great. I say that Clairvoyance should cost less AM and Guidance needs an AOE or something. Its lvl 6 ability should get a buff also.
I don't think its the ruiners fault it doesn't get much attention, but more the fact that I rarely see people use mines. I can't quite put my finger on why, maybe its the cost, or the fact that they dont cover a very large area (unless you use A LOT of them), IMHO I think most people forget about them in the heat of battle ( I know I do quite often ). Despite that I think they're great, I've used mines to shred fleets much larger than mine and come out victorious. Someone I played a few times when I got entrenchment used ruiners to protect his carriers from LF, with great success. Haven't seen that strategy used since, but it was quite effective.
I don't think the revelation is as bad as you make it out to be. Reverie is actually better than Ion bolt, because its stuns longer and you can get multiple caps with its short cool down. Clairvoyance is a great scouting tool, nothing else like it. Guidance works well in Advent Cap ship synergies, so it has a place there. Provoke Hysteria has the potential to do MORE damage than the Evacuators Drain Planet, but varies in situations. The nice thing about it is the more Hp the planet has, the more damage it does, making it great for quickly taking down enemy HWs I can't remember who it was... maybe Quar or Tyr... but its one of those guys favorite Advent caps, and for good reason. Still though, as with all the races, it lives in the shadow of the popular starting cap ship, which happens to be the Progenitor, so it's not seen very often.
Overseer: yay-yay-nay-nay-yay
Interesting Ruiner tactics. Regardless, gravity mines need a boost. Possible boosts are lower cost and maybe faster activation so that you can slow down persuing enemies.
Well you didn't say the revelation is good either. If it was then I wouldn't say it needed a boost. The concept behind the Revelation's abilties are fine, its just that their AM cost is too high and their affects are too small. Provoke Hysteria is only good against homeworlds. Marza, Desolator and Egg can take out any enemy world must more easily.
Dunov, Akkan and Kol don't live in the shadow of the TEC's starting cap (marza) anywhere near to the same degree as the Revelation. Radiance is only slightly overshadowed. Same goes for Rapture and Halcyon.
Its true that Teh Death Egg overshadows the rest. The rest are largely fine except Skirantra and Marauder. The Marauder's abilities are not useful very often and its weapons are pitiful even compared to other support cap ships that have better abilities. Subversion definately needs a boost though. The other abilities although very situational are fine or close to being fine.
OK JuleTron, I'll consider some recommendations for the Revelation.
In the meantime though, we need to get some more votes for the enforcer, overseer and subjugator before I put anything else up here.
increase range of distortion field: hell no. as if advent didn't get whored enough by phase missiles.
seriously, the stupid things are going to be either in their own fleet, where all they can do is keep you away from the advent ships(except for long range ships) or if they are running around solo knocking your fleet around pop 'em with bombers/fighters.
Dude wtfux are you talking about the revelation for ? its the best planet bomber in the game and you want to give it a boost? what are you smoking?
Overseer:
casting arc -> yes (though the second one is more preferable)turn speed -> yes (either this or the above, or both slightly)360 nanites -> no - that'd be a little op. A battle-ready fleet of Vasari would be totally immune to non-aoe damage. Think about it - a single Overseer can heal 1000 damage and give +2 armor over 8 seconds and with 400ish AM pool it quickly regenerates 75 required to cast the nanite armor. If it didn't even have to turn... just select overseers, tab + click any attacked ship for immediate repairs. One Overseer cancels the firepower of about 5 heavy cruisers for 40 seconds. The limitation of usage (slow turn speed, no casting arc) is what stops it from being OP. Unfortunately, it stops it too well and now Nanite Armor is only good when used on Starbases or caps.
As for the jump-degradation, it really needs a LOT of love. I mean it. A lot. It is useless. AbsolutelyTotallyUseless.
Ok not absolutely, but it refines the definition of uselessness among all the other abilities in this game, with its high research cost and laughable effect.
First, mobile phase detection is nigh useless with awesome phase detection researches in the empire tech tree. Needs a buff:- increases phase jump chargeup rate for all enemy ships phase jumping into and out of the gravwell by 100%. Does not stack with PJIs.
Second, Jump degradation should do one of mentioned below:- Take 20% AM off incoming ships (good idea - yay)- impose a 100% movement speed and acceleration penalty (game wise - it would cut speed and accel by half) for 20-30 seconds on enemy ships that arrive at the gravwell.- reduce armor by 4 (or increase incoming damage by 15%) on arriving enemy ships for 40-60sec.
Personally, I like the movement speed debuff.
dude. the overseer surely can be powerful with omni but for 15 seconds of cooldown and 75 am how could that be OP? we only get 4 bursts before were out of AM while the hoshikos are still over there patching their entire fleet up. ovies and hoshiko have the same amt of AM. we only get 4 uses for ours. hoshikos get atleast 12. thats 3 times our use.
Yeah, but Hoshis can heal only as much. If 30 Heavy cruisers focus fire on your heavy cruiser, one after another, your hoshis can suck their repair bots in the balls. A pack of overseers with omnicasting could keep that focused ship alive for ridiculously long while allied ships reduce the 30 HCs to shreds.
Not to derail the current debate, but Deceiver. Do you want/plan to include other things that have been talked about among the community that are not balanced related?
For example,
Custom Map Sharing(Autodownload)
Smurfs
Things like that.
My idea for Phase Detection would be to only allow it to extend one jump away, but have it actually reveal the gravity well. That might be a little too good, but jump degradation could probably be left alone after that.
@Diplo:
That would be like a proximity Clairivoyance... It doesn't really fit the name of the ability and yes it would be too good, but I still like the concept... If you ever make a mod, you could stick it in there...
I think everyone can agree this game would benefit from an auto map downloading system and some sort of ladder/matching system.
Don't really think those things are debatable. The devs have certainly considered these things, and whether or not they're working on them is really their business, and there's not much we can really do or say to help them out.
Smurfs.. well you can't completely get rid of em. Maybe another thread can throw around some ideas for cutting down on it, but not this one.
I did not say that Provoke Hysteria sucked. It is only good against enemy homeworlds though. Anyway, the Revelation is NOT the best planet bomber, its the worst. Desolator, Egg and Marza are much better. Okay, Reverie, Clairvoyance are fairly good and Guidance synergises well. I admit it.
As for the Overseer I say that MPD should remove 20% AM from enemies and Jump Degradation should greatly increase phase jump activation time and reduce enemy speed alot more. Proximity clairvoyance sounds too strong, but I like it.
The state of Seige Frigates is not arguable. Everyone knows how useless they are. This needs to be adressed. I say that they get moved to a higher place on the tech tree, but get more health and cost less fleet supply.
You like my idea? WOOT!
Please post the version this patch voting applies to in the first post so new voters are aware.
Well not so much as to discuss them but as more of a signing of everyone who thinks its importaint, to show Blair and such since they are watching this post that we really would like these non balancing issues are just as importaint as the balancing issues. Just another idea to add to this post.
Actualy Blair, its in the sub-title. At any rate its nice to see that your watching this thread.
Actually I dont see it either, maybe it got deleated by chance.
I think it for Entrechment 1.03, and if it applies 1.17.
Domina
-yay
yay
nay
Enforcer
Oversseer
no... its there...
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