For Sins 1.18 and Entrenchment 1.04
This is a post that I will update regularly to give the DEVS a better idea of what people think should be done to stats in the next patch. This is ONLY for patches, no new ships or elaborate concepts for the next expansion. This is for dealing with peoples’ concerns about balance. If there’s a balance idea you have that’s not on here, post it and I’ll put it up for voting if it seems valid. I love the fact that ICO pays attention to the forums and what people suggest, I’d like to make it easier for them. The idea is to have all ideas posted straight forward and ranked so the DEVS don’t have to sift through pages and pages to find popular ideas. SP and MP players are both welcome to comment. Post yay or nay for any idea you like or dislike (be specific please) or say no fix needed. If you’d like I’ll also insert specific values you may come up with. Some votes will be taken from other threads.
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REFERENCESSeveral members of the community have taken it upon themselves to run tests to prove imbalances and recommend possible fixes. I would Encourage everyone commenting here to read these and become more informed.Raging Amish's Lums vs Enforcers JJs HC Tests JJs Illum Tests
Deceivers Subjugator thread Deceivers Cap Carrier thread
RAGING AMISH's Balance MOD
Game BugsThese need to be addressed before anything else. The following is a compiled list of all known game bugs. Thanks to Pawelo for helping me compile and test these. If you can think of any others that aren't on here leave a comment to let me know.-Embargo Level 2 and 3 do not stop cargo ships.-Phasic Trap Research level 2 does not do anything.-Magnetize does not interrupt channeled abilities-Disruptive Strikes does not work on pulse beams-Allegiance through wormholes is flawed.-Wrong Sound effects on: Anima Tempest, repair cloud, nanite armor, EMP blast-Infocard errors: Dunov shield restore does not increase mitigation, labs do not speed up build time
-Akkan Colonize ability does not always spawn extractors at lvl2 and lvl3.
-Subverters Disrupt Shields can not target structures with shields-Some musics and Orange Skybox are not used.
SOLANUS ADJUDICATORS
The adjudicator, while it can target multiple structures, just doesnt have the punch its TEC cousin the Ogrovs has and has difficulty handling tight clusters of structures supported by repair bays. Also, without a well functioning healing unit, the poor adjudicator simply cant live long enough in the throws of battle to make a huge difference. We've discussed the changes, now its time to get official votes on them.
Buff the Adjudicator- Change armor type?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun N3rull eoncommander
Nay- Dargoon999 Warlord Mike
Reduce supply cost?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun Dargoon999 Warlord Mike Darvin3 SivCorp eoncommander
Nay-
Reduce number of firing banks to increase damage per target?:
Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander
Nay- Kitkun N3rull Dargoon999
Increase damage?:
Nay- Kitkun Dargoon999
Increase shields?:
Yay- JuleTron Kitkun eoncommander
No Fix Needed- Ryat Extremor
MINES
These little critters were introduced in Entrenchment and have been seldom used. They are purely defensive, extremely expensive, and a huge gamble to put your money in. There's been much discussion on possible fixes, but now its time for an official vote, so here you go.
Buff Mines Increase damage? Yay- Juletron Whiskey144 SivCorp Extremor Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase damage radius? Yay- Top Vasari Whiskey144 EadTaes Warlord Mike Ovi_187 SivCorp Extremor eoncommander Nay- Juletron N3rull Raging Amish Kitkun Increase activation radius? Yay- Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- EadTaes JuleTron N3rull Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Increase mines per deployment? Yay- eoncommander Nay- EadTaes N3rull Raging Amish Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Increase deployment spread? Yay- Warlord Mike Extremor eoncommander Nay- Juletron EadTaes N3rull Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun Decrease cost? Yay- Juletron Mindseye(25%) EadTaes(25%) Dargoon999 Whiskey144 N3rull(20%) Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Nay- Raging Amish eoncommander Reduce build time for Proximity Mines(TEC)? Yay- Juletron Whiskey144 EadTaes Raging Amish Warlord Mike Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Nay- Increase duration of Gravity Mines(Vasari)? Yay- Juletron N3rull Mindseye Ovi_187 Kitkun Extremor Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish Fix homming mines AI to return to original deployment location(Advent)? Yay- JuleTron EadTaes N3rull Mindseye Warlord Mike Ovi_187 SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Raging Amish
Make Gravity Mines an upgrade to existing mines?
Yay- N3rull Juletron Dargoon999 Ue-Carbon Deceiver_0 Mindseye Kitkun Extremor
Nay- EadTaes Raging Amish
No fix needed-
SIEGE FRIGATESCosting more than most Heavy Cruisers, one would expect siege frigates to be able to handle a simple task like bombing a planet to oblivion, but with their super thin and weak hulls they certainly aren't worth the cost, and with Entrenchments bombardment protection on starbases, siege frigates find themselves in the obsolete unit pile. Personally I think they should be tough as nails since all they do is bomb planets and cost loads of resources and precious supply. With a decent buff these units could be the terror they once were and possibly bring back some of the planetary defense tech that fell from use after their nerf. (planetary shielding anyone?) Buff Siege Frigates Increase Hp/shields/armor?: Yay- Deceiver_0(Hp) Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 Ryat EadTaes Dargoon999(10%) N3rull(+nerf) Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Soasertsus Cykur Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor Change armor type (currently light)?: Yay- Deceiver_0(v. heavy) Soasertsus(v. heavy) Volt_Cruelerz(heavy/v.heavy) EadTaes (heavy) Dargoon999(heavy) N3rull(heavy) SivCorp Extremor(heavy) eoncommander Nay- Darvin3 Cykur Ryat Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Decrease Resource cost?: Yay- Soasertsus Darvin3 EadTaes Howdidudothat Sobric Extremor Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Cykur Ryat Dargoon999 Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Decrease Supply Cost?: Yay- Soasertsus(6) Darvin3 Cykur Ryat(10) EadTaes(10) Dargoon999(10) Mindseye Howdidudothat Raging Amish(12) Ascension(12) Ovi_187 mbaron888(8) Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Extremor Increase Bombardment damage?: Yay- Volt_Cruelerz Dargoon999(20%) Warlord Mike Extremor Nay- Soasertsus Darvin3 Cykur Ryat EadTaes Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander
Make TEC Heavy Fallout Active (currently passive)?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 Cykur Ryat Dargoon999 N3rull Mindseye Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Nay- EadTaes Ascension Howdidudothat Reduce Heavy Fallout effect time (currently 6 minutes)?: Yay- Darvin3 Sobric Warlord Mike Nay- Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Cykur Ryat EadTaes Dargoon999 Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Kitkun Reduce Xp value (currently 65xp)?: Yay- Soasertsus Darvin3(40) Cykur EadTaes(15) Dargoon999(30) Ovi_187 Kitkun Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Ryat Mindseye Raging Amish Ascension Howdidudothat Sobric Warlord Mike Apply fixes to siege militia?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Darvin3 EadTaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Nay- Ryat Ascension Howdidudothat Apply fixes to siege pirates?: Yay- Darvin3 EadTaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Nay- Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz Ryat Ascension Howdidudothat Sobric No Fix Needed-
SEREVUN OVERSEERThe overseer is a powerful, but seldom used ship due to it's current lack of usability. I'd recommend anyone planning on voting on this topic read a few of the replies on page 5, where Ascension and I debated some changes. I've also thrown in a few ideas to make overseers 'Jump Degradation' ability a little more potent for the 100AM and channeling it costs. Buff Serevun Overseers- Increase firing arc of abilities?: Yay- Deceiver_0 JuleTron Volt_Cruelerz Ascension Soasertsus milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull Mindseye Cykur EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Pbhead Sobric Increase turn rate?: Yay- Deceiver_0 JuleTron Volt_Cruelerz Ascension Soasertsus milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- EadTaes Sobric SivCorp Make 'Reactive nanite armor' omnidirectional (360 degrees)?: Yay- Ascension Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor
Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Darvin3 milo896 Howdidudothat lifekatana N3rull Mindseye Pbhead EadTaes Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase reduction of jump speed for 'Jump Degradation'?: Yay- milo896 Howdidudothat Mindseye EadTaes Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Soasertsus lifekatana Pbhead Raging Amish Allow 'Jump Degradation' to do a damage % to incoming enemy vessels' hulls?: Yay- Deceiver_0 (5-10%) Soasertsus(20%AM) Darvin3 milo896 N3rull(speed reduction) Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Howdidudothat lifekatana Mindseye Pbhead EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor
Allow 'Jump Degradation' to disable passive regeneration?
Yay- Raging Amish Deceiver_0 Diplominator Juletron Sobric Extremor
Nay- Ovi_187 Howdidudothat Cykur Kitkun No Fix Needed-SKAROVAS ENFORCERThe relative weakness of the Enforcer has recently been brought to the forums attention (thanks JohnJames). With their higher resource cost, higher supply cost and more expensive upgrades, enforcers are unfortunately left in the dust by their counterparts. Many speculate that their extra ability (reintegration) is the cause for such a skewed balance, while others agree that reintegration lacks the power enforcers deserve. The following are some fixes that have been proposed. Personally, I think the Vasari should get a little more for what they pay for. Buff Skarovas Enforcers- Decrease Resource Cost?: Yay- Ascension EadTaes Sobric Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Howdidudothat Darvin3 Mindseye Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Decrease Supply Cost?: Yay- Soasertsus Sobric Extremor Nay- Deceiver_0 Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Howdidudothat Darvin3 Mindseye EadTaes Raging Amish Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase hp/shields/armor?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 EadTaes(armor+1) Raging Amish SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Volt_Cruelerz Soasertsus lifekatana Howdidudothat Mindseye Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor Increase Damage?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ascension JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye Cykur EadTaes(22) Raging Amish(21.6) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- Volt_Cruelerz lifekatana Extremor Cheaper damage upgrades?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Top Vasari Ascension DesConnor Raging Amish N3rull lifekatana JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye EadTaes Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor eoncommander Nay- Soasertsus Ovi_187 Kitkun Higher reintegration rate?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Top Vasari Soasertsus N3rull lifekatana JuleTron Darvin3 Howdidudothat Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Nay- Mindseye EadTaes Raging Amish Extremor No Fix Needed- PbheadDOMINA SUBJUGATORSThe domina has been an a lot of peoples (f spending money on that) list for sometime. I tested and observed the subjugator while I was examining carrier caps and wrote a report on them as well. Here's some fixes that have been proposed for the Domina as well as the Stilakus Subverter (whose destiny is quite intertwined with the domina). I'll be putting the Subverter question under the REPULSE section as it has to do more as a counter to it. Buff Domina Subjugators- Increase firing arc of abilities?:
Yay- Deceiver_0 Mindseye Darvin3 Gugabalog Cykur(heal only) Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- EadTaes lifekatana Pbhead Increase turn rate?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Gugabalog Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander Nay- EadTaes lifekatana Make abilities AOE?: Yay- Warlord Mike SivCorp eoncommander Nay- Deceiver_0 EadTaes Gugabalog Darvin3 lifekatana Mindseye Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Remove channeling from abilities?: Yay- EadTaes Gugabalog lifekatana Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Nay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Mindseye Pbhead Ovi_187 SivCorp eoncommander Fix Targeting AI (on all abilities for all races) to prevent wasteful use?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 EadTaes Gugabalog Soasertsus lifekatana Mindseye Pbhead Cykur Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander
Nay- Pbhead No Fix Needed-CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPSI've noticed people use Carrier Caps generally for 1 ability, and not for the strikecraft and SC bonuses they offer. Weaker than most other classes, they are sparse and somewhat unthreatening on the battle field. Personally I think they should offer more benefit in the strike craft department than they do now. I've written a detailed report on them, and taken some of the proposed changes from it for this thread. Buff Carrier Caps- Increase Initial Armor? Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat Howdidudothat Gugabalog Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Nay- Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor Swordsalmon lifekatana Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor eoncommander Increase Squadron Capacity? Yay- Deceiver_0 (see thread) Soasertsus Ryat -Ue_Carbon ReadyMan Howdidudothat mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog N3rull lifekatana -aceca- Derek06 Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Darvin3 Raging Amish Make SC buffs AOE? Yay- EadTaes DesConnor Swordsalmon Gugabalog Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Extremor Nay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon Howdidudothat mbaron888 Pirate-Jack lifekatana Pbhead Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)? Yay- Deceiver_0 Darvin3 Howdidudothat Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Kitkun Nay- Soasertsus Ryat -Ue_Carbon mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Ovi_187 Extremor eoncommander Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Ryat Darvin3 -Ue_Carbon Howdidudothat mbaron888 Pirate-Jack EadTaes DesConnor Mindseye Swordsalmon Gugabalog N3rull lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- No Fix Needed-LIGHT FRIGATESMost agree that Light Frigates don't scale well. Being limited in their usefulness early game, and becoming almsot complete obsolete late game with Heavy Cruiser research. Many ideas have been thrown around to get light frigates back on the battle field. Buff Light Frigates- Increase Damage?: Yay- TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3 -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat JuleTron Pirate-Jack N3rull Ascension Cykur Dargoon999(20%) Raging Amish(Vasari: 12) Ovi_187 SivCorp(10%) Nay- Volt_cruelerz mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead EadTaes Sobric Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Increase Damage bonus to heavy armor type?: Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog -Ue_carbon JuleTron Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor(Light) Ascension lifekatana EadTaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish(175%+) Ovi_187 Sobric SivCorp(25%) Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Volt_cruelerz Pbhead Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?: Yay- Deceiver_0(armor) TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3 JuleTron Ascension lifekatana Dargoon999(10%) Ovi_187 Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- Volt_cruelerz Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor Pbhead EadTaes Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Kitkun Extremor Increase ability range?: Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon JuleTron Ascension Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Increase firing arc?: Yay- TheRezonator Gugabalog -Ue_carbon JuleTron Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat DesConnor N3rull Ascension Eadtaes Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor Nay- Volt_cruelerz mbaron888 lifekatana Pbhead Dargoon999 Ovi_187 Kitkun eoncommander Increase turn speed?: Yay- Darvin3 EadTaes TheRezonator Pirate-Jack ReadyMan Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor Mindseye N3rull Ascension Pbhead Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Extremor eoncommander Nay- lifekatana Kitkun Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: Yay- Deceiver_0 TheRezonator Gugabalog Darvin3 Volt_cruelerz JuleTron Pirate-Jack mbaron888 DesConnor N3rull Ascension lifekatana Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Howdidudothat Pbhead Nerf Counters- Decrease LRF Damage?: Yay- Proletari Darvin3 Azrak_Navarion ReadyMan Howdidudothat Mindseye Ascension Eadtaes Dargoon999(10%) Nay- Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Pirate-Jack mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Decrease LRF damage bonus to medium armor?
Yay- Deceiver_0(125%) Ovi_187 Howdidudothat Sobric eoncommander
Nay- N3rull Cykur Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
Increase LRF resource cost?: Yay- Extremor Nay- Deceiver_0 Pirate-Jack Howdidudothat mbaron888 DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Eadtaes Dargoon999 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander No Fix Needed- Soasertsus dresdaREPULSE:Many have said repulse needs a fix. Personally I agree. Nerf Guardians- Increase AM cost?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Raging Amish crashmatusow Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz Tohron Darvin 3 Top vasari mbaron888 Proletari -Ue_carbon Major Stress Mindseye Azrak_Navarion lbgsloan Gugabalog Soasertsus Howdidudothat JuleTron DesConnor lifekatana -aceca- Derek06 Cykur Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- dresda
Increase cooldown rate?
Yay- Raging Amish Deceiver_0 Howdidudothat Kitkun Extremor eoncommander
Nay- Ovi_187 Juletron Sobric Cykur
Decrease AOE?: Yay- Gugabalog -Ue_carbon DesConnor eoncommander Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress crashmatusow Mindseye Soasertsus Howdidudothat dresda lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Increase resource cost?: Yay- Ascension Volt_cruelerz Sobric Extremor Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus Mindseye Gugabalog Howdidudothat dresda DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander Cause damage to shields?: Yay- EadTaes Volt_cruelerz dresda Nay- Major Stress Mindseye Soasertsus Gugabalog Howdidudothat DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Buff Counters- Increase LF ability range?: Yay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus Mindseye DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead Ovi_187 No affect to Cap Ships?: Yay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Volt_cruelerz DesConnor Cykur Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- Mindseye Gugabalog Soasertsus lifekatana Pbhead Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Increase Distortion Field (targeting) range?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Soasertsus Sobric Kitkun eoncommander Nay- lifekatana crashmatusow Pbhead Raging Amish Ovi_187 Extremor No Fix Needed-MISSILE BARRAGE:This has been a heated issue for several months. In the most recent patch, the devs made the graphic unique (red missile exhaust?) and extended the duration while reducing dps. Was this enough? Nerf Missile Barrage- Decrease total damage?: Yay- Extremor Nay- mbaron888 Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Increase AM cost? Yay- Ascension Ovi_187 Nay- mbaron888 Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor Decrease AOE? Yay- Tohron mbaron888 Howdidudothat JuleTron DesConnor Sobric Nay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Warlord Mike Extremor Buff Counters- Increase range on ability interrupts?: Yay- Tohron TheRezonator Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Extremor Nay- Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor LF abilities can target caps?: Yay- Gugabalog TheRezonator Sobric Warlord Mike Nay- Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat DesConnor N3rull Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Extremor Graphic/Audio Improvement?: Yay- Eadtaes Deceiver_0 Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat N3rull lifekatana Derek06 Cykur Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor eoncommander Nay- DesConnor No Fix Needed- Deceiver_0 EadTaes Azrak_Navarion Major Stress Top vasari Soasertsus ReadyMan lifekatana SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander CARRIERS:Extensively nerfed in the previous 2 patches, carriers have lost their place as a hard counter to long ranged frigates, as flak frigates can now destroy fighters much faster than they are built, and long ranged frigates can now hunt the carriers themselves down. Buff Carriers- Decrease build penalty?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Ascension crashmatusow Pirate - Jack mbaron888 Volt_cruelerz lbgsloan Gugabalog Top vasari Soasertsus Howdidudothat JuleTron N3rull lifekatana Derek06 Cykur Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun eoncommander Nay- DesConnor Raging Amish Extremor Increase fighter HP?: Yay- Ascension Mindseye Azrak_Navarion Gugabalog Howdidudothat Derek06 Extremor Nay- Pirate - Jack mbaron888 Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus DesConnor lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Reduce movement penalty?: Yay- Tohron Soasertsus Raging Amish mbaron888 Gugabalog Howdidudothat JuleTron ReadyMan DesConnor Derek06 Sobric SivCorp Extremor Nay- Pirate - Jack crashmatusow lifekatana Cykur Deceiver_0 Ovi_187 Kitkun Nerf Counters- Reduce Flak rate of fire?: Yay- EadTaes Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- Mindseye Gugabalog Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus Howdidudothat DesConnor lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Kitkun Extremor No Fix Needed- Major Stress -Ue_carbon PbheadSCOUTS:With the recent nerf to carriers, scouts have come to the forefront as a decent anti-lrf ship, and with their new found popularity some changes have been suggested. Nerf Scouts- Reduce damage buff against light armor?: Yay- Volt_cruelerz Ovi_187 Nay- Deceiver_0 Ascension Soasertsus Gugabalog Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Increase scout supply requirement?: Yay- Nay- Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor
Increase resource cost?: Yay- Nay- Ascension Pirate - Jack Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun Extremor Buff Vasari Scouts- Increase Hp/Shields?: Yay- Deceiver_0 Raging Amish Volt_cruelerz Ascension Pirate - Jack Soasertsus Mindseye TheRezonator Howdidudothat Derek06 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Dargoon999 Extremor Nay- Gugabalog Ovi_187 Increase damage?: Yay- Ascension Raging Amish Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog TheRezonator Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Cykur(+.5dps) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Dargoon999 Nay- Extremor No Fix Needed- EadTaes mbaron888 JuleTron Major Stress -Ue_carbon ReadyMan DesConnor lifekatana Pbhead eoncommanderILLUMINATORS:The relative strength of illuminators has been under debate for some time, and many fixes have been proposed, here are a few, let me know if you’ve got others. I've done my own research, and have posted my findings. Nerf Illuminators- Increase resource cost?: Yay- Ascension Volt_cruelerz Ovi_187 Pirate - Jack EadTaes Top vasari lbgsloan Gugabalog Azrak_Navarion Soasertsus Howdidudothat Derek06 Extremor Nay- Major Stress -Ue_carbon lifekatana Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander Adjust damage division between beams?: Yay- Deceiver_0(33%) mbaron888 -Ue_carbon Gugabalog DesConnor N3rull Ascension Derek06 Raging Amish(33%) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike eoncommander Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Soasertsus Howdidudothat lifekatana Kitkun Extremor Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?: Yay- Pirate - Jack (hp only) EadTaes TheRezonator Ascension Gugabalog -Ue_carbon Soasertsus Howdidudothat DesConnor -aceca- Derek06 Cykur Raging Amish(Hp&Armor) Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike SivCorp Kitkun Extremor(450/500) eoncommander Nay- Major Stress Volt_cruelerz Soasertsus lifekatana Increase supply requirement?: Yay- DesConnor Derek06 Kitkun Nay- Pirate - Jack Major Stress Volt_cruelerz Gugabalog Soasertsus Howdidudothat lifekatana Raging Amish Ovi_187 Sobric Warlord Mike Extremor eoncommander Decrease Damage?: Yay- EadTaes Ascension Soasertsus Major Stress Gugabalog ReadyMan DesConnor(Caps only) N3rull lifekatana Ovi_187 Extremor Nay- Volt_cruelerz -Ue_carbon Howdidudothat Derek06 Raging Amish Sobric Warlord Mike Kitkun eoncommander No Fix Needed- mbaron888 Mindseye dresda Pbhead
More to come-
This thread is pointless dude. All of the advent players are not going to want to nerf their units, but will be glad to nerf other races. This is such a good idea, but its obvious that people like mindseye who play advent are not going to support a nerf of any advent ship...
Nightrad3r you should look around a bit before you start labeling people.If you read the op at all you will see I am in for a nerf to the guardian.I am in for a buff to fighters which is the ilums counter and and indirect nerf to it.I have always tried to put in for the game to be as balanced as it can be. I like all 3 races and play them all too.I am in for a buff to vas scout.I have posted many buffs for tec and some for vas as well.Alot of cap buffs.It is natural to be somewhat biased to your fav race and to want to keep some of their advantages because thats what makes them fun.I was against the mb nerf which is a counter to ilums.I have never really been an ilum spammer either.I have always been more carrier oriented + rapture.Pretty rude man...
Since new topics have been added since I last looked, here are my opinions on light frigates:
1) Increase Damage: Yes on the condition that 2 remains unchanged)
2) Increase Damage to Armour Type: Yes (on the condition that 1 remains unchanged)
3) Increase HP/Shields/Armour: No
4) Increase Ability Range: Neutral (since I can't remember anything about them atm )
5) Increase Firing Arc: Yes
6) Increase Turn Speed: Yes (LFs should be very nimble due to their small build)
7) Tweak Targetting AI: Yes (this very much so)
8) Decrease LRF Damage: No (They're supposed to counter LFs, if nothing else)
9) Increase Resource Cost: No
Mindseye is right.
Even heavy Advent players are supporting nerfs to advent units for the sake of balance. Most everyone who has posted here seems to think increasing repulse AM cost is the way to go, and many are supporting higher cost for illums.
It seems that despite peoples favoritism, they would like to see the game balanced more than keep their favorite race the same.
I'd love to get your take on these topics Nightraid3r, let me know what you're down for or not down for.
Big update coming to this thread too.
Carrier cap:
yay
nay
also I would like to propose a 10% DPS increase for colony and carrier caps as well as a slight armor increase for colony caps.
Carrier Caps:
If you're going to bring up support cruisers (with a buff in mind) should be subverters and subjugators. Cielos and Overseers are fine; not great, but they're doing their job.
Again, I think siege frigates are a good potential topic to vote on, since that unit is completely unused in the current build.
Carrier Caps
Im gonna have to say Nay for armor for now, ( if you give them alot more squads then I will still keep my stance but if keep the squads low, then a boost would be ok.)
A big YES for more squads.
A Nay for AoE
Nay
Yeah, a reduction in cooldown and maybe a ever so slight AM reduction would be ok.
Crud, I spent time answering everything, but the reply didnt take....so I'll sum up:
Leave MB alone.
Buff carrier speed
Buff lt. frigates turn speed and decrease LRM damage to them slightly
Leave scouts alone
carrier caps need more fighter capacity
Illums need less damage
Thanks for your work on this Deceiver!
Buff Light Frigates- Increase Damage?: Y Increase Damage bonus to armor type?: Y Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?: N Increase ability range?: N Increase firing arc?: Y Increase turn speed?: Y (This needs to be changed to increase acceleration) Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: N Nerf Counters- Decrease LRF Damage?: Y (This needs to be changed to decrease damage bonus against LF) Increase resource cost?: N Buff Carrier Caps- Increase Initial Armor? Y Increase Squadron Capacity? Y Make SC buffs AOE? N Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)? Y Re-work Scramble Bombers? Y
LIGHT FRIGATES
Buff Light Frigates-
Increase Damage?: Nay- Increase Damage bonus to armor type?: Yay-
If I'm understanding the questions here then I would leave the dps alone but remove the .75 damage nerf against LIGHT armor Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?: Nay-
Increase ability range?: Nay-
Increase firing arc?: Nay-
Increase turn speed?: Yay-
IMO a light frigate should be about hit and run. They should turn faster than a Long Range Frigate.
Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: Yay-
A light frigate is the counter to support cruisers so make them attack them. Reduces micro.
Nerf Counters-
Decrease LRF Damage?: Nay-
Increase resource cost?: Nay-
LRF are the LF counter so their armor type modifier should remain.
CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPS
Buff Carrier Caps-
Increase Initial Armor? Nay-
Increase Squadron Capacity? Yay- Yay- FREAKIN YAY-!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make SC buffs AOE? Nay-
Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)? Nay- Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yay-
I think the Advent Halcyon is the best carrier in the game. Increasing squads would be enough of a buff. Make the capital carrier a REAL carrier. They should start with 3 squads or start with 2 and give them an extra at level 2. I'd like to see them top out to 8 squads at Level 10. Right now they top at 6 squads right? 6 is too few.
WE I replied in your Carrier thrad so take your vote from what I wrote there. One thing I realy do not want ot see is Adept drone Anima give more SC if the carrier them selves GET more SC wings.
If you want more people to respond, a form they could copy might be an advantage.
Nerf Guardians- Increase AM cost?: Yes Decrease AOE?: Yes Increase resource cost?: No Cause damage to shields?: No Buff Counters- Increase LF ability range? No No affect to Cap Ships? Yes Nerf Missile Barrage- Decrease total damage? No, revert to v1.16 Increase AM cost? No Decrease AOE? Yes
Buff Counters- Increase range on ability interrupts?: No LF abilities can target caps? No Graphic Improvement?: No
Buff Carriers-
Decrease build penalty?: No Increase fighter HP? No Reduce movement penalty? Revert to v1.16 Nerf Counters- Reduce Flak rate of fire? No Nerf Scouts- Reduce damage buff against light armor?: No Increase scout supply requirement?: No Increase resource cost?: No
Buff Vasari Scouts-
Increase Hp/Shields?: No Increase damage? No Nerf Illuminators- Increase resource cost? No
Adjust damage division between beams?: Yes, to previous Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?: Decrease hull to previous
Increase supply requirement? Increase all LRM Decrease Damage?: No, but decrease all LRM damage to capital ship class armour
Buff Light Frigates- Increase Damage?: No Increase Damage bonus to armor type?: Yes to LRM type. Increase Hp/Shields/Armor? No Increase ability range? No Increase firing arc?: Yes Increase turn speed?: Yes [Also, decrease supply cost] Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: Yes Nerf Counters- Decrease LRF Damage?: No Increase resource cost? No Buff Carrier Caps- Increase Initial Armor? No Increase Squadron Capacity? Slightly
Make SC buffs AOE? Yes
Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima? No Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yes Domina Subjugators and Subverters: Extend range on Subjugators, reduce nerf on Subverters
Others:
Turrets extended range (more than LRM, less than assault), costs on turrets and hangars 50%.
Returning fleets at no cost, limit numbers. Minelayer mines at no cost, limit numbers in play.
Add two phase inhibitors to standard pirate base.
Intercept to cancel Repulsion, as a passive feature of the ability.
Militia (apart from siege) to target constructor frigates as a first priority. AI to target phase inhibitors and repair as a top priority.
Increase Armour: No (They're meant to be support ships, not bruisers that can outlast the damage dealing caps in the fleet, colony caps are the only ones with less armour for a reason. Imagine the Space Egg with 5 armour )
Increase Squadron Cap: Yes
SC Buffs AOE: No
Additional Drones: No
Rework Scramble Bombers: Yes
Problem is the Egg is supposed to be weaker than carrier caps. Yet it eats them for breakfast. Poor things, eaten by a breakfast item.
Put me down for lf turn rate increase and lrf nerf to lf.
As the carrier caps are supposed to be weaker (in toughness and dps) than the 'battle caps'. They're meant to be support ships that give buffs to the fleet and SC, not battleships with fighter coverage.
carrier caps
yay for additional squads
yay for rework scramble and addittional drone
dominas i vote for change that allows it to cast without facing target
Yay to increasing the Subverters distortion feid range
Im not going to comment on Dominas, the reason being I dont usualy play Advent and Ive never seen them in mp so I dont know enough about them..
For Carrier Capitals.
1. Increase Initial Armour?
-Nay
2. Increase Strikecraft Capacity?
-Yay
3. Make SC buffs AOE?
4. Increase additional drones (Adept Drone Anima)?
5. Rework Scramble Bombers?
Buff Carrier Caps-Increase Initial Armor: No do not touch their HP armor weapons. Increase Squadron Capacity: yes 4 starting toping out at 10 at lvl 10Make SC buffs AOE? Yes, only Heavy Strike craft abilati need to be made AoE the rest that need to be are already AoEIncrease additional drones(Adept Drone Anima?): No, this abilaty is gettign buffed by default by adding more SC wings. So lets not double buff.Re-work Scramble Bombers? Yes It neeeds a rework I posted it in the carrier cap thread.
BTW, DesConnor, for a relatively new guy you have donne your homework well.
Increase firing arc of abilities?: No Increase turn rate?: NoMake abilities AOE?: NoRemove channeling from abilities?: Yes but at a cost of higher AM consumtion.
not sure if you realize, suppression costs 75AM (disables weapons, phase drives and abilities on 1 ship) and perserverance cost 150AM.(Heals 25hp/s and prevents any systems from being disabled for 40 secs)<-- Negative buffs can still apply.
How much are you thinking of increasing those?
Their cost is well justified. Think combos and upgraes.
Subjugators
Their AI needs some help; improving their targeting AI should definitely be a part of that list (to which I'd say yay)
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