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Reply #451 August 12, 2009 11:35:57 PM
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Indeed the Kortul isnt all that bad, the first thing I'll do is fix disruptive strikes. Once that's done and working well I'll tackle the reast of the problems that remain and tailor it to how effective DS is going to be.

As for the SC flyign throught star no can do. I would need to give them colision enteties and from what the devs said that causes alot of lag.

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Reply #452 August 13, 2009 4:04:47 AM
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Mines need a research item to increase their damage late game to scale with improved hull/shields/armor and unit synergies (i.e. Guardian Cruisers, Hosiko Cruisers, etc)

i find late game i just run my fleets through minefields to clear them, as i wont take many losses, if any.

as for Game Bugs, there are always the ever present pathfinding and fleet grouped jumping bugs... not as easy to fix, but... still very important...

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Reply #453 August 13, 2009 10:52:28 AM
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Volatile Nanites can have a very similar result to MB. All the target has to do is not pay attention for a little while which is exactly what you have to do when a level six marza comes in. If you have any common sense, you run from the marza, you FF it immediately with bombers, or you stun it. The same thing applies here. If you ignore the fact that all your ships have pulsing red spheres around them, you'll lose your fleet. VN is probably the third best mass frigate killer in the game: MB>CB+M>VN. Its still a good ability.

First: MB>CB+M>VN.
Okay, so what's left? Are there ANY other mass killers? Except those small time rad bombs and PMS junk.
No, there are none. Being the third best doesn't help being the worst of all three.

Second:
MB - requires one lvl6 cap.
CB+M - requires a lvl6 cap and one lvl5. Both are very useful out of the combo.
VN - will not kill a goddamn fly alone.
Try to use VN against a bigger fleet without those 30 HCs or 80 Assailants backing you up. VN requires a huge fleet with massive firepower to be used against a tight cluster of weak targets to even start working.
If your fleet is less than 80% of the enemy's, you won't even have the chance to let VN do a tenth of what the enemy does to you. It is your FLEET that wipes the enemy in a SLIGHTLY MORE FLASHY STYLE thanks to VN. Sixty seconds of +25% damage is all that this crap is worth.

If you cannot see a difference between
- one cap wiping any ungodly amount of frigates with one ultimate ability use
- two caps killing 24 pieces of ANYTHING except caps over 8 seconds
and Volatile Nanites that won't even work if you don't have a similiar fleet near your ass, then it's time to open your eyes.

As I said. 60 seconds of +25% damage against a cap or a starbase is all the use I find for VN and trust me, I used it with success dozens of time - only that I am well aware that I would win anyway, and VN only let victory come a little sooner and made it more cool-looking.

Power Surge is still a fairly good ability. It increases DPS by 80%. Sure, caps aren't used for DPS, but it does help out with VN and of course it provides a tremendous boost to Disruptive Strikes.

DPS boost is shit. Even if you stacked Surge 5 times you will still do less than a progenitor shooting on targets with malice active.
Shield restoration is deep shit.
Only the boost for DS is worth mentioning and it is NOT tremendous. Problem - once DS brings the enemy AM to a steady zero, it's of no use anymore.

That Kortul is not the biggest joke in the game is only because Skirantra and Marauder are banging each other on the heads for this title, while Vulkoras is a dedicated planet killer/starbase banger with little to zero use beyond that.

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Reply #454 August 13, 2009 1:56:26 PM
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Okay, so what's left? Are there ANY other mass killers

oo we forgot about the big red button. and Meteor+Disorient

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Reply #455 August 13, 2009 2:30:04 PM
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I'm a little surprised at the lack of love for the Marauder. Don't get me wrong. It doesn't bring much to the table combat wise, but then again, neither do the Rapture or the Dunov. The basic order for capital ships in each race is get the colonizer 1st and the seige cap 2nd or vice versa. Advent is the exception at times. I prefer a radiance over the Revelation.

And good lord. The Devastator? Who out there is actually defending this thing? I know it's bugged, but even so, this thing is not a Kol. It is not as highly armored, doens't get protective shielding, and is overall easier to kill. The same applies to the Radiance. This thing is NEVER the first cap a Vasari gets, so it's rare in multiplayer to get one of these past level 3.

Currently it's crap. Thanks to being bugged it doesn't work as the animatter sapper it's supposed to be. Once fixed, then yes, it'll be ok, but the fact that it's not an immediate animatter sucker means that the enemy is still gonna get off a volley of ability shots. If the Desolator brings that much power, what do you think the enemy's going after first?

Devastators are just crap in my eyes. Even if fixed. I'll take the Egg first and the Desolator second. If I actually need a third cap it's a Marauder purely so I can move my fleet around faster.

Back to my original point: Where is this misconception that the Marauder is awful coming from? It's dps is good. Phase Out Hull is the only answer Vasari has against drastic channelling abilities, including Missile Barrage. The 2nd Ability brings the addendum of "Bypasses Phase Jump Inhibitors". That's actually very powerful. Subversion, or whatever the 3rd ability. Ok, I'll give you that one. Unless you're attacking a colony your enemy has freshly colonized, I don't see the use. Very Very situational ability. I forget, does it affect ship build rates too? I think it does, so that's what saves it from being craptacular.

The lvl 6 is pretty much meh. I will say this combined with a Kotsura cannon is lovely. Think about it. A Kotsura cannon opens a phase lane at the planet it hits. The Marauder opens one at the grav well where it is. You jump without ever having to get a phase gate. That's power.

Anywho, the Egg is the best cap hands down. The desolator is second purely because it's better than a Marza at seiging. Third I have to put the Marauder. Phase Out Hull comes in handy against an opponent abusing Shield Regen, MB, Disruptive Strikes on Devastator, etc. The Skinatra is actually pretty good at lengthening the life of its strikecraft. You need the third ability on it to really see any results, but it does help. (Scramble Bombers is beyond crap). The Devastator is bugged so it's 5th on my list currently. Fix the bug and it moves to 3rd.

I'm sorry, but Jam Weapons is laughable. It's pathetic compared to flak burst or "the bitch slap of doom" telikinetic push. I've seen it have its uses, but c'mon, the Vasari got short changed on this one.

 

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Reply #456 August 13, 2009 2:48:12 PM
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I forget, does it affect ship build rates too? I think it does, so that's what saves it from being craptacular.

It does. Useful when attacking an enemy fleet construction planet. And the PJI immunity is sweet.

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Reply #457 August 13, 2009 3:54:06 PM
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Marauders for the win!

Here's my list-

1. Skirantra; I have a soft spot for carriers. Repair Cloud+MPA= Cockroach SC. They just WON'T DIE.

2. Antorak; one of these+Kostura= Go-Anywhere cap/fleet. Phase Out Hull is nice, and I like Distort Gravity.

3. Jarrasul; obvious on this on, it's the Space Egg. What I like- Nano&Vortex.

4. Vulkoras; also rather obvious, any planet can easily fall quickly. PMS&Disintegration are a little lackluster though.

4&1/2. Kortul; gets a 4 & 1/2 because it does have its uses. DS can be useful; Power Surge is lovely; Jam Weapons you have to kind of time right; Vol Nans is also lackluster and pretty crappy o/a.

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Reply #458 August 13, 2009 3:55:50 PM
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oo we forgot about the big red button. and Meteor+Disorient
It's a starbase ability for goodness sake. It's like saying Illum's Illusions suck because they make one false copy while the skirantra's ultimate makes three real (for 3 minutes).
Sorry but this comparison is totally off road.

It doesn't bring much to the table combat wise, but then again, neither do the Rapture or the Dunov.
Utter Bullshit.
ALL rapture's abilities are combat related. One reduces enemy effectiveness. One increases your own fighters' effectiveness - always. The next causes enemy ships to deal more damage to themselves than they do to your ships. And the final one just takes enemy ships away from him and gives them to you, *snap* - like that. Awesome. Need a cap healed? Dominate the enemy's overseer and see how it brings your cap to full health while the enemy wonders wtf. And it doesn't need Tier5 empire research done and 1800-credit phase gates planted to work (or Tech-8 military, 8000credits/piece kosturas, LOL)

Sure, when you need to counter that MB, Phase out hull is what you need.
If you need to travel faster, Grav Dist is what you might want.
When you need to stop a planet from spitting out troops or building defenses, subversion works.

But the truth stands, 99% of the time any other ship in the game has more to say than this kid. Once you brought your fleet to the enemy (a little faster) and maybe slowed down his production (not that he produces in nearby gravwells) and maybe stopped a radiance from CB-ing you... after that, this ship is doing NOTHING.

DPS? Who cares about cap DPS? Get out.
PJI immunity? WHO EVER MAKES PJIS? More, who ever doesn't kill PJIs once he jumps into a gravwell. PJI dies in 5 seconds from 30 LRFs, just like any other structure. Such a huge problem, omg. If you want your Marauder to jump into enemy territory alone, have fun. Just pray he aint got a starbase on the way, cause there goes your antimatter.

Defending Marauder is like walking five miles of desert in searing sun to a shopping mall only because the water there may be 5% cheaper than in your local store on the other side of the street.
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One thing I have to defend though is Jam Weapons. It is just as good as Flak Burst or Push, only does the job in a different way. It's a decent strikecraft control ability, can be easily chained to keep the bulk of enemy SC force out of action for very long. Long enough to neutralize the SC OR start pounding on the carriers.
The strikecraft's most important asset is that they can hit any target in the gravwell and will be replenished as long as carriers have AM. If you keep SC out of combat while chasing carriers and having them waste AM on reinforcing squadrons that aren't doing anything anyway, you're about as good as dealing direct damage to them.

I do, however, agree that with Power Surge that neither defends nor helps the kortul attack, bugged DS and crappy VN, Kortul is below decent right now.

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Reply #459 August 13, 2009 4:00:30 PM
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Deceiver_0,

is magnetize suppose to interupt abilities??

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Reply #460 August 13, 2009 4:20:25 PM
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It disables them just like Am bomb, phaseout hull, ion bolt... why wouldnt it interrupt like them?

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Reply #461 August 13, 2009 4:29:27 PM
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mistake, nvm.

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Reply #462 August 13, 2009 5:14:35 PM
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From reading this on and on it seems that is a cpitalship doesnt have a big boom ability it sucks period. Well that isn't the case, it's not because the abilities of 1 cap don't go boom in a big way that it's not powerfull they are some subtel abilities that don't go boom and that are way more powerfull then a big boom.

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Reply #463 August 13, 2009 5:36:39 PM
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Deceiver_0, wouldnt it make TEC a bit powerful, since other sides only get 1 interupt ability per capship set??

Since the discussion at this point seems to be around the capabilites of vasari capships.... it is obvious that most of them are underwhelming.....since this is a patch change thread, im gonna suggest 4 changes that might help...

1. Switch nano-bomb with disruptive strikes, since the egg is all energy weapons and will make the kortul a bit more useful.

2. Switch subversion with gravity warhead, making the antorak a true ship dedicated to phase abilites

3. Upgrade jam weapons by giving it the ability to stop movement of all SC's in addition to jamming weapons.

4. Give the seige platform of the vulkoras the ability to attack structures. also since the phase missile swarm does not do any shield bypass, give it some extra effects(like disabling regeneration).

now cut me to shreds........

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Reply #464 August 13, 2009 7:39:41 PM
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wouldnt it make TEC a bit powerful, since other sides only get 1 interupt ability per capship set??

Advent have Reverie (which interrupts) and Detonate AM (which also interrupts). Vasari are the only ones with only 1 per cap ship set. Personally I think disruptive strikes should also interrupt channeled abilties.

Upgrade jam weapons by giving it the ability to stop movement of all SC's in addition to jamming weapons.

Having a SC only 'distortion field' effect associated with the ability would actually make it a little stronger. I like this idea. Your others are novel, but aren't going to happen. Swapping cap ship abilities just isnt in the cards for a patch at this point.

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Reply #465 August 13, 2009 9:22:47 PM
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marauders are fairly powerful ships..the micro you can do with phase out hull is unimaginable. 

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Reply #466 August 14, 2009 4:22:10 AM
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How often is phase out hull good? Not very.

If I need to save a friendly cap from focus fire will I use Phase Out Hull? Definately not. I can save my FFed cap ship with overseers that DON'T disable my ship.

Phase Out Hull is therefore redundant in this role.

Marauder is pointless. The micro that the Marauder needs isn't worth the reward in my experience.  If Phase Out Hull didn't disable friendlies OR if it was an ordinary disabling ability that dealth shield damage, I would actually use it.

 

Upgrade jam weapons by giving it the ability to stop movement of all SC's in addition to jamming weapons.

I don't like this idea because its a clone of Phasic Trap.

 

As for Power Surge, shield regeneration should be much much higher and instead of just a DPS boost, it should also deal area damage. Disruptive Strikes should have a chance to interrupt abilities. VN used to uber, but IC overnerfed it.

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Reply #467 August 14, 2009 5:41:04 AM
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From reading this on and on it seems that is a cpitalship doesnt have a big boom ability it sucks period. Well that isn't the case, it's not because the abilities of 1 cap don't go boom in a big way that it's not powerfull they are some subtel abilities that don't go boom and that are way more powerfull then a big boom.

The problem is, when every race has one or two big boom abilities that can change the game (EGG humiliates fledgling starbases and other caps with nano, colonizes and has teh awesum drain later; Marza... ;Any Advent cap really, maybe one or two to a lesser extent) the other mediocre ships are not worth taking.

Why take a watergun instead of a real deal Colt for a gunfight?

There's just no point. It doesn't matter these ships are somewhat, kinda OK, when there simply are ships MUCH BETTER.

That's one, second is that Vasari have the most nerdastic abilities. 70% of Advent and TEC abilities are useful in a fight, scale well to your or enemy fleet or are just outright helpful.
 For Vasari, such abilities are... ehm... repair cloud? Nanos?
Disintegration is junk, PMS have 7 targets max and both deal non-phase missile damage, which means Disintegration deals ~600ish dmg, while PMS do 200 to seven targets at level 3/3 (oh so awesome!! on a ship that should not take PMS anyway because it's a PLANET BOMBER that relies on AM draining siege platforms, and PMS drain AM like f...). Surge deals no damage and doesn't help kortul survive. DS is nice, but buggit. Volatile Nanites would be decent all of themselves, but in relation to what it SHOULD be doing (i.e. mass murdering frigate spams) it is inadequate at best.

Advent have 5 good caps, each with its uses in many situations.

TEC have good caps too, with the exception of Marza being somewhere halfway to Chuck Norris on the scale of awesomeness and Sova being shit.

Vasari have one über cap (EGG), one good planet cracker with hardly any combat use (Vulk), one hardly decent all-round no-u-don't ship (Kortul), one healing platform that has enough AM for 40 seconds of 30hp/sec hull repairs at best and one fancy night rider with no use other than breaking MB or RUNNIN' FOR YER LEIVES!!!111.

Either all ships should be truly formiddable or all should be just unique support cruisers with lotsa health.
One way or another.
When one cap blows the others in comparison, it's bad.
When one race has most caps useful in many situation, while the other has caps that just float and shoot 90% of the time, hoping for a specific situation to actually do something interesting, it's bad as well.

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Reply #468 August 14, 2009 8:52:24 AM
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Quoting N3rull,
reply 458

It doesn't bring much to the table combat wise, but then again, neither do the Rapture or the Dunov.

Utter Bullshit.

ALL rapture's abilities are combat related. One reduces enemy effectiveness. One increases your own fighters' effectiveness - always. The next causes enemy ships to deal more damage to themselves than they do to your ships. And the final one just takes enemy ships away from him and gives them to you, *snap* - like that. Awesome. Need a cap healed? Dominate the enemy's overseer and see how it brings your cap to full health while the enemy wonders wtf. And it doesn't need Tier5 empire research done and 1800-credit phase gates planted to work (or Tech-8 military, 8000credits/piece kosturas, LOL)


But the truth stands, 99% of the time any other ship in the game has more to say than this kid. Once you brought your fleet to the enemy (a little faster) and maybe slowed down his production (not that he produces in nearby gravwells) and maybe stopped a radiance from CB-ing you... after that, this ship is doing NOTHING.

DPS? Who cares about cap DPS? Get out.


PJI immunity? WHO EVER MAKES PJIS? More, who ever doesn't kill PJIs once he jumps into a gravwell. PJI dies in 5 seconds from 30 LRFs, just like any other structure. Such a huge problem, omg. If you want your Marauder to jump into enemy territory alone, have fun. Just pray he aint got a starbase on the way, cause there goes your antimatter.

Defending Marauder is like walking five miles of desert in searing sun to a shopping mall only because the water there may be 5% cheaper than in your local store on the other side of the street.
SILLY.

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One thing I have to defend though is Jam Weapons. It is just as good as Flak Burst or Push, only does the job in a different way. It's a decent strikecraft control ability, can be easily chained to keep the bulk of enemy SC force out of action for very long. Long enough to neutralize the SC OR start pounding on the carriers.
The strikecraft's most important asset is that they can hit any target in the gravwell and will be replenished as long as carriers have AM. If you keep SC out of combat while chasing carriers and having them waste AM on reinforcing squadrons that aren't doing anything anyway, you're about as good as dealing direct damage to them.

I do, however, agree that with Power Surge that neither defends nor helps the kortul attack, bugged DS and crappy VN, Kortul is below decent right now.

@N3Rull

This is one of the rare times that I'm going to have to disagree with you on most points. I almost never play against a computer, and just about all of my games end within two hours. Advent players always pick a mothership first. Always. With the second cap, it's so rare to actually get a second cap to level 6 considering how long games last.

If this game were balanced, ideally, then yes, I'd say this brings a lot to the table, but here's where I start to dissent. Vertigo has always and will always be a kickass ability. I have no arguement here. I love this ability and typically get a rapture because of it. Lowering enemy DPS by 20/40/60 percent and getting a decent AOE is ungodly powerful.

Vengeance only retaliates damage, meaning if the enemy's half smart he'll stop targeting whatever it is that's doing it. I would say the battleship makes this go away with its ability to make stuff target it, but now the 2nd ability on the battleship has a cap limit on the # of targets (8/16/24). Combine the fact that it takes 3 caps to pull this off (mothership was ur first cap) and that really this ability doesn't do much until level 2, and the fact is there are other abilities I'd rather have.

That leaves the AOE concentration aura. The only time I've seen this make a significant difference is against starbases. Now wait before you call me a liar. Flak vs. Fighters is one of the most lopsided battles currently in the game, as it should be (although I'll agree it's a bit much at the moment). Those fighters never last long enough to see any benefit of the 10%/20%/30% extra damage. If I'm dealing with an enemy who's spammed fighters, I'll get a halcyon. When it comes time to have a ton of fighters/bombers to take out enemy starbases, yes, there I use and love this ability.

Domination is level 6. I get a rapture to lvl 6 once in a blue moon against a human opponent. It's powerful, but that means this had to be my second capital ship of choice, and in an intense battle, I don't want the support cap. I want the Radiance with antimatter bomb.

I went back and looked. I was off about the DPS. I confused it with the Dunov which does 46 dps at lvl 1. Point retracted.

PJI's are used. Howthe? uses them plenty. So do some of the BIA boys. Fact is when all you want to do is make the quick jump through the system, it's useful. I've had more than one occassion where I send my entire fleet to a less guarded planet 1 jump behind the fortified planet and just built up reinforcements there. Going after the actual PJI takes time and removes any element of surprise. The enemy watches and sees everything you're doing.

My point with the Marauder is that by later game where you need a third cap, this is it. I'm not sure why I'm arguing because in the end I agree the thing isn't all that attractive, but the fact is once you get to the point where you actually need a third cap, 9/10 it's the maruader. You need an anti-channeling ability and the Maruader is the only thing that the Vasari have.

BTW, I'm surprised at the love of Jam Weapons. If I actually see someone with a Devastator, one of a few things is going to happen:

1. I send my fleet to knock the Kortul Out. At the very minimum this will force the Kortul to retreat or find a repair bay (to be healed at 15 hps, lol)

2. I have strikecraft. I dock them, and jump with my fleet to another system. The Kortul will come with less antimatter. Odds are I have some lrfs. If I'm Advent, odds are I have a Radiance. If TEC, I'm not making strikecraft. See point 1.

Jam weapons is so easy to get around, because, unlike the Kol/Halcyon/Dunov, the strikecraft aren't being destroyed. Either go outside of the AOE and hit something out there and wait for the Kortul to run out of antimatter, or just go elsewhere and make the Kortul Jump, costing it antimatter. And don't play the flak card. If there are flak out and about, I'm not making fighters. I'm always watching for flak when I make carriers. I'm not going to keep making the one thing that flak are good at taking out. Even then, I'll micro the fighters/bombers using the no movement option.

If Jam weapons did something besides stop enemy fire I'd be impressed, but the fact that the enemy doesn't lose any strikecraft takes away from its usefulness.

 I'm not really sure why I'm arguing here actually. I think it's that what you call completely useless, I say has opportunities that rarely present themselves. The Egg is the best cap. The Desolator is 2nd. That kind of seiging power is lethal. Who cares that the PMS is worthless. The seiging power here is immense. Then you've got this craptacular fest of three caps that are only going to come out if their role is needed. The skinatra if you build a ton of strikecraft. The Maruader if you need anti-channeling ability (which against a human you probably will), and the Devastator, a bugged capital ship that brings jam weapons and a decent level 6 ability (if it ever makes it there). Why bother with jam weapons if you can just spend ur money that would go to the Devastator on flak instead?

 

 

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Reply #469 August 14, 2009 1:41:36 PM
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I'm not really sure why I'm arguing here actually. I think it's that what you call completely useless, I say has opportunities that rarely present themselves. The Egg is the best cap. The Desolator is 2nd. That kind of seiging power is lethal. Who cares that the PMS is worthless. The seiging power here is immense. Then you've got this craptacular fest of three caps that are only going to come out if their role is needed.
I second that.

One thing Jam weapons does good is: 500 flak frigs, a single Kol or a Halcyon with maxxed burst/push aren't going to save your starbase from 50 carriers worth of bombers. Jam weapons will, at least for a time.

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Reply #470 August 14, 2009 4:40:13 PM
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Here is my list to add to it.  If I only put in what i thought was important, if it is not listed, it isn't important IMO.     

Mines

      Buff Mines
                        Increase damage? - yes - using research...

                        Increase damage radius? - yes, only slightly

                        Fix homming mines AI to return to original deployment location(Advent)? YES!!!


Siege Frigates

      Buff Siege Frigates

                        Increase Hp/shields/armor?: YES
                           
                        Change armor type (currently light)?: Possibly

                        Decrease Supply Cost?: Yes, by 2-4

                        Increase Bombardment damage?: NO


SEREVUN OVERSEER

      Buff Serevun Overseers-
                      
                         Increase turn rate?: No - they should be slow, but powerfull

                         Make 'Reactive nanite armor' omnidirectional (360 degrees)?: YES - they are the strength of a fleet in vas.


SKAROVAS ENFORCER

           Buff Skarovas Enforcers-

                         Increase hp/shields/armor?: YES

                         Increase Damage?: YES

                         Cheaper damage upgrades?: YES - by one level respectably, unless other ships start using wave cannons instead

DOMINA SUBJUGATORS

           Buff Domina Subjugators-

                         Increase firing arc of abilities?: Yes

                         Make abilities AOE?: Yes, but small

                         Remove channeling from abilities?:  NO - they should not be able to move while blocking
                     
                         Fix Targeting AI (on all abilities for all races) to prevent wasteful use?: DUH! yes

CARRIER CLASS CAPITAL SHIPS

           Buff Carrier Caps-

                        Increase Initial Armor? Yes - by 1,1.5
                          
                        Increase Squadron Capacity? Yes - increase by 2,4,6

                        Make SC buffs AOE? - YES - forces carrier into action
                   
                        Increase additional drones(Adept Drone Anima)? Yes - 1,3,5 
                         
                        Re-work Scramble Bombers? - PLEASE - yes

The Advent carrier cap should be a swarming mess of fighters and bombers... that is the point.

LIGHT FRIGATES

           Buff Light Frigates-

                        Increase Damage?: YES, by 10%

                        Increase Damage bonus to armor type?: YES, 25%

                        Increase Hp/Shields/Armor?: NO 
          
                        Increase ability range?: Yes
                             
                        Increase firing arc?: YES - 120 degrees
                             
                        Increase turn speed?: YES - these should be like fighters, fast and deadly

            Tweak Targeting AI to favor support cruisers?: DUH! - yes

     Nerf Counters- LRF

            No Fix Needed-   No fix, just needs a good counter, the LF + fighters

REPULSE:

            Nerf Guardians-

                        Increase AM cost?: YES
               
             Buff Counters-

                        Increase LF ability range?: YES

                        No affect to Cap Ships?: YES - caps are large, they should be able to shove that little thing around...
                     
MISSILE BARRAGE:
                              
            Graphic Improvement?: YES
                             
            No Fix Needed- All the rest is fine as of 1.03          

CARRIERS:

            Buff Carriers-

                        Decrease build penalty?: Yes 25%
                           
                        Increase fighter HP?: NO
                             
                        Reduce movement penalty?: YES - put it back to where it was, LF will take care of them.
                                  
            Nerf Counters-

                        Reduce Flak rate of fire?: NO
           
SCOUTS:

            Buff Vasari Scouts-

                        Increase Hp/Shields?: Yes
                         
                        Increase damage?: Yes

Vasari should be the obvious scout rushers...

ILLUMINATORS:

            Nerf Illuminators-
                              
                        Decrease/adjust the HP/Shields?: YES - they are not tanks... even if they are lvl 3

All else if fine

And please fix the bugs!!!
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Reply #471 August 15, 2009 5:36:18 PM
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let me hear some thoughts on the adjudicator

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Reply #472 August 15, 2009 6:22:12 PM
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The Solanus- hmm, change it's firing angles/orientation. It doesn't look right ATM, it should have it's engine to the back like everything else.

Maybe decrease the o/a damage of each one, since it can target multiple structures simultaneously, while the Ogrov can only target a single object at a time.

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Reply #473 August 15, 2009 8:35:08 PM
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The Ajudicator, eh?

Well, let's see, what has she got going for her?  5 targets at once is nice, but when only one structure is in system, it's not as fantastic.

One idea I have is focusing fire if there are fewer targets - how one would go about damage division would have to be discussed, though.

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Reply #474 August 15, 2009 8:36:04 PM
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Maybe decrease the o/a damage of each one, since it can target multiple structures simultaneously, while the Ogrov can only target a single object at a time.

Yea, but my problem is that dividing the damage between several targets makes it difficult to kill structures supported by repair bays. Plus without a functional repair unit, its difficult to keep Adjudicators alive for very long.

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Reply #475 August 15, 2009 9:36:35 PM
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oh, no no no no no no. That's not what I meant, you misunderstood me.  Not dividing damage, but reducing the max # of targets an Adjudicator can target at one time.

EDIT: I misunderstood myself. What I initially meant was to decrease it's damage; however now that I think about it it would be a better idea to have the # of structures an Adjudicator can target reduced; perhaps have a research that can increase it, or an ability that allows it greater target # at the expense of shielding/engines (mobility), whatever else you can think of.

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