Tried to move an army out of my city after defending it, the new army consisted of several of my main units **and** 2 archers & 2 snipers which are part of my normal "defending" forces.
Seriously? You guys can't even get that right?
Spells. Feedback has been given all beta that the spells were useless. The only combat spell worth casting is Blizzard. Enchantment spells are the only thing worth casting. Spells don't scale, "3 damage + 2 per shard" and the like scales up much slower than an experienced troop. Spam troops, cast the enchantment on the cities to buff their defense or inititive, etc. Casting a damage-causing spell in the battle is a waste of a move.
Not even going to look at any more Stardock games, used to buy them all sight-unseen. There will be some minor bugs at launch but at least they were new ones. This entire series has been nothing but a train wreck since your first attempt. Confidence in Stardock is down to almost nothing.
You seem upset.
Indeed.
Question - what version ? Assume 1.0
Have seen this pre release but so far not in post release
Agree, Direct damage spells could use another look. But they can be useful and effective depending on who is casting and your shard count . keplin and battle mages can dish out a lot of spell damage, especially when equipped with the right rings
you can eqip raider with the right rings and he will become awesome spellcaster with HP and denfence and attack and probably with higher initiative then keplin or any other battle mage.
And I agree with TS - there are stil too many bugs to claim game is 1.0
> Have seen this pre release but so far not in post release
Yes, 1.0 And have seen it in every version of SC/FE/Whatever I've played before then. Just an example of stupid bugs in the engine that have been around and been pointed out time after time and ignored time after time.
You named one bug that I have never seen in SK and your opinion that the spells aren't powerful enough.
Perhaps you should heed your own advice and find someone else's games to play. Clearly we're not making the cut for you. I'm sorry to hear that.
I agree with what the boss said. I will say, though, that some more elegant way of splitting/defining armies when they're all stacked together would be welcome. I didn't, and will never, ragequit over it, but some sort of army management popup, I am all in favor of.
> You named one bug that I have never seen in SK
And yet someone else in this same thread said they've seen in in pre-release just hadn't seen it in release yet.
Honest Frogboy, I've bought damn near every game you've made / been involved in since GalCiv 2. Would have bought original GalCiv but I didn't learn about it until 2 came out (although I probably have picked it up in some bundle). Seriously, the # of bugs in your games just keeps getting worse, and they're not even different bugs. Examples like the defenders joining armies have been around since earlier in the series. Is it a game-breaker? No. Should it have been fixed by now? Yes.
From the few hours I played around with SK, it looks like same bugs, different story.
I have seen that bug and also yesterday I had the defending archers on the outside of the city after combat. Also hypnosis captured armies being doubled with two groups showing up in the army list
Yet, you've named a bug I've never seen. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but it sure sounds like an edge case. And you've still only mentioned 1 bug.
If you think our games are buggy then wouldn't the right consumer decision be to not buy them? If someone is producing a shoddy product, don't buy it.
Perhaps if you would send a saved game with the bug to the devs they can look at it.
A couple of points here:
1) I'm a huge Stardock fanboy. I own most of their games. I will always support them and pre-purchase to reward them for being a great company. Great games, awesome employees/owner who are always listening and actually take responsibility for mistakes (e.g. free upgrade path when they delivered a bad game). They are always polite and listen to our suggestions/complaints. They pour their hearts and soul into the game because they love what they do. This means they've earned our respect. So the OP is way out of line with that kind of attitude/approach. It's a crime because it is so easy to write a crappy post - and so hard to actually dream/write/fund/create/support a game. And people like this ruin it for the rest of us by demoralizing good people like those at Stardock who are trying to do the right thing. You can't find a better game company out there.
2) That being said, I do have some criticism about this game (and FELH). I have reported a frequent, reproducible crash (and I'm talking about sometimes I have hard boot to get out of it). I reported it in Beta. And I've been labeled as an "edge case" (though very politely - tech support did try and were very responsive). The problem is, I play literally 100s of games and NOTHING like this happens. My machine is only for playing games. It's very clean, drivers up to date (motherboard, Video card, everything), etc. Nothing overclocked. Good power supply, water cooled, etc. Sure Skyrim occasionally crashes (to desktop) when modded and Civ V (first month it was out) would overheat my video card (on my old machine anyway). But under Windows 8.1 and a relatively new/high end machine - nothing I play causes anything like this. And it happens when I play FE (though I play exclusively with mods so I don't report it). But my point here is that I feel that they are doing something wrong, something not recommended, or something nobody else does, or taking some short cut - whatever. And it may not effect most people (though there is at least one other similar complaint in the forums). It is a quality issue (in my humble opinion) and something that shouldn't be happening with a 1.0 (I would be fine, of course, with game play/balance issues or some small bug with a workaround - I expect this from any new game). I can't finish the game (final battle always crashes) and I don't want to (but will eventually) have to request a refund. Even if it is some obscure driver/setting/unique situation on my PC - I still ask myself "why is it the only game I play that causes my video card to literally stop working?".
If I'm wrong, I will be happy to apologize publicly (and sing even more Stardock praises for finding it). But as of now, I'm just disappointed I can't enjoy what would have been a great game.
Mozo
Stardock pours their hearts into their games - especially the elemental series.
I have seen a few bugs in my current playthrough - mostly graphical glitches and display issues. (Like the game not showing me fertile ground all the time or shards not displaying after the town they were linked to was rudely destroyed by a harbinger until I built new outposts to claim them.)
These are not game breaking and frankly, the game runs MUCH better than any creative assembly release at this stage of the game release cycle.
If you want a bug free experience wait for the 2017 "gold version" Steam Christmas sale.
In the interim, I will be choosing to lose sleep so I can spend more time with this excellent hero questing game.
The game has turned out amazing as far as I am concerned. I can't wait for DLC and expansions!
Keep the DLC every month and I will buy.
Stardock have made some amazing games and while these games have had bugs and possibly a few questionable design decisions Stardock has also been very good dealing and discussing their development weaknesses and attempting to fix them. Stardock have built games that people have been crying out for for years, games that no-other company was willing to venture into. While SK has a few bugs and some issues that could be improved none of them take away from what is, in my opinion, a great game. Better than MoM which I have used as my ideal for 20 years.
On the basis of some minor issues to then go and rate the game as 2/5 is just wrong, rude and arrogant. No constructive criticism just a little bitchy rant.
SK is a fine game that has provided me with over 70 hours of entertainment (FE 300+ hours, the entire series probably 1000 hours), there are very few games in my steam catalog that have provided me with the same level of value, joy and entertainment. Long may Stardock deliver games that I like to play.
I remember, in the halcyon days of yore, when expecting a game that is released to feel finished was considered reasonable. Apparently that is no longer so for fanboy apologists (if it ever was).
If you compare like for like then your halcyon days never were.
For example, Master of Magic was released and required a huge number of updates after it came out and it was still not complete. And, arguably, MoM is much less complex than a game like SK. When you deal with so many layers of complexity you will end up with a load of bugs. I can't think of any strategy games that didn't require fixes and improvements after release.
What sets stardock apart from other companies is that they put a great deal of effort to support their games long after release and to continue polishing and improving them. Unlike say Beyond Earth or Civ 5 that simply floundered never to reach a level of fun play-ability.
@ChungasRevengeApparently I was being too obtuse. I was paraphrasing part of Stardock's Gamer's Bill of Rights. It is a far more reasonable standard than some convoluted appeal to intuition and relativism. Conveniently enough it also has an item relating to support and updates after release, which is that it is reasonable for someone to expect them (again, paraphrasing). Releasing a finished game and supported a released game are not the same thing. I'm not making a claim either way, but I can see how the OP could be used to support either (that it is unfinished or in need of support).I too found the OP to be bit ranty, but calling them names and telling them they are "just wrong, rude and arrogant" is going to far. Their opinion is neither wrong nor arrogant. The claim that there is no constructive criticism is also unfair. There is a bug and feedback on the magic system, provided gratis to support that opinion. That is information that can be reviewed and used to improve the game. So quite constructive actually, even if you don't appreciate the tone.
Yeah, Nah!
Re-read his rant, he is being rude, he does come across arrogant and certainly he is wrong.
But you are entitled to your beliefs.
/agreed - He comes off ranty and rude. I rate his comment/complaint a 1/5.
Rude or not, I don't think he's coming back. No sense in arguing about him.
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