Update 5/25/2017
Well, I started a thread back in Dec 2011 that’s seen a lot of activity (some 922,000 views over the course of a few years apparently...). That thread had a good deal of tips/strategies/discussions about League of Legends from new and old players alike. You can find the previous thread (now archived) here: https://forums.joeuser.com/413863. I think its time to start fresh with a new thread.
What’s this thread all about?For those that followed the previous thread, the type of content you see here will be fairly consistent to what you are used to. Please consider this a place to discuss LoL related content as you like. I'll do the same and treat the thread as a blog as well where I talk about what’s going on with me in LoL. Feel free to jump in and join the discussion if you like.
Quick background on meI played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011, I started getting heavily involved in League of Legends, and folks from the community were kind enough to help me figure things out. I play LoL most nights, stream, make videos and it’s my main gaming interest.
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Ahh I usually only complain about picks that I feel don't work with our current direction as a team comp. So picking a tanky bruiser top like voli bear over say a jax I wont complain about since they both fulfill the sameish sort of role as far as we are concerned. Its more of the every-lane-picking-squishy-champs games or we-have-zero-cc comps that drive me up the wall. That being said I can see where I would get annoying to play with.
Oh, I don't have a problem with weak botlanes at all. In fact, I kind of like weak botlanes who sit at their tower since I like ganking bot now that its not warded all the time early on.
So I don't have a problem with a weak lane - I just don't like having two weak lanes next to each other if the opponent goes with two strong lanes. That leads to problems since they can then choose to make a large number of plays that we simply can't defend (many of which involve screwing over the jungler). I mean, if I'm playing Lee in that matchup, I'm thinking to myself "cool, WW doesn't get at least half his jungle for the first 8 minutes!".
I'll generally try and not play WW (for example) if I see lots of weak lanes, but its something we all have to keep in mind.
I only pick B champs and win every game ever.
a wild swan appears!
So yesterday I had a game on a level 5 LAN account with a intentionally feeding Latin American udyr. That was nowhere near as exhausting as the last game of the night with teemo. It's like 11PM and I'm calling it a night. hurpderp.
Alright time for a fun discussion. I am curious of what everyones favorite league of legends moment has been. Was it a penta kill? An amazing outplay? Some thing peterdumptruck did? Lets here it! Ill tell mine after a few people have shared theirs.
I don't have a favorite, per se, but I did make a bunch of fun clips during our many adventures - the link goes to those short fun vids I made awhile back: https://www.youtube.com/user/LeagueOfPacov/videos?tag_id=UC-1SAKy8Y8Ptr0w6Fj1dQwQ.3.league-of-pacov-short&sort=dd&view=46&shelf_id=9
Peterkill was a good one...
And this one is one of my favs:
Onto other stuffs - so, I'm still digging nidalee out of top lane. Holy crap did I get a lesson on why I need to take tp, though. While an unfed irelia having tp shouldn't guarantee a triple kill (read that with some emphasis, eh), the only moment where my ignite would have been a good call was destroyed by voli making a last hit on irelia that wasn't needed after I died like a goof. That said, I'll continue the thought process a bit...
So, nidalee in top lane has some pretty strong burst, but that burst is directly linked to your hunt proc's. The irelia was actually really, really good early at avoiding getting proc'd, so my dps were much lower than I needed. That said, if I do land a proc around level 3-4, with ignite, I'm pretty well guaranteed a kill vs just about any top laner imo. I just, unfortunately, did not play well enough to do that. At that very specific point, ignite became a very, very bad summoner vs tp. I preferred the ign vs irelia setup for that reason, but me not having the tp really bit us int he arse... specifically when irelia tp'd early and got like a triple kill... snowballing her. Anyway, I'm going to work tp into my nid build - at least vs specific matchups. I always personally prefer ignite for the adding kill potential early/mid, but agree that tp is better for the team.
it wasn't a "free" triple at least. i think we had gotten a double (maybe a triple if TF had teleported as well?). The TP just converted a 2-0 into a 2-3
i def understand that the Volibear top "anti-ganked" you. Dying while you have Ignite v TP in an early gank is ... catastrophic. Still a "team resource" though
One problem with Nidalee is it is pretty hard to gank for her. This was also true with AP Nid mid (and one of the reasons that lane is considered so weak until first dragon fight). You've got no CC (unless they added a slow somewhere in the rework), and her burst damage is attached to hitting a spear or trap, so it's somewhat inconsistent.
Ignite does make it more possible to gank for the Nid lane, and Volibear is certainly a gank heavy jungler.
What i mean to say, perhaps, is that there are several good reasons to go ignite. Most of them are kind of contingent on you being at least a B+ top-laner? While you're probably going to do fine against Silvers/Golds as a Plat player, i don't think you're going to be a "B+ top-laner" in the platinum so when you face those kinds of players you'll be in trouble.
Worth a read if you have not checked it out yet - patch 4.11 forecast stuffs: http://cloth5.com/pbe-roundup-patch-4-11/
I will probably hit up PBE tonight to get a feel for the new quill item on junglers and run an HP stack.
I would have to disagree on the Nidalee running Teleport.
I was an avid player of AD Nidalee since season ~1-2, and still run ignite, even with the whole Teleport meta.
I was watching some of your stream last night pacov, you missed a lot of free harass opportunity on Irelia, but I'm not saying that would have made your lane all that much easier.
I've been in a couple Irelia vs Nidalee match-ups and even if I was fed (3/0/0), because it's Irelia and she has that massive gap closer and CC, she proves to to be an issue.
Anyone with gap closers and hard cc in general will be a difficult match-up for Nidalee, so you need to take any chance to harass that you can.
And in addition to the Hunt proc, you don't always need it in order to engage. Simply leaping in to E auto Q combo is sufficient enough in chunking the enemy, the only reason I'll ever need to land a spear or trap for the Hunt proc is if I need to gap close for a gank or for free harass.
Nidalee doesn't have too great of team fight potential in comparison to a lot of champions, so roaming midlane during lanephase for ganks would be advisable in addition to just pressuring top to pull the jungler top and alleviate pressure mid and bot etc.
But yeah, for Nidalee in general she's one of those champions where I'm hesitant on running Teleport, any other top laner I would prob run tele.
I don't think you are going to be able to sway folks one way or another re: tp tbh. I still like it on certain champs in top lane (including nid). These fellas are pretty firmly in the TP mofo camp.
re: my play as nidalee and top lane in general - oh, I have no idea as to the best most proper play style, what posture I should take and when - I'm just figuring out things and will get better with repition. I agree that there were alot of missed harassment opportunities for me in the lane. A lot of that stemming from me trying to figure out the best way to mitigate her dash + slow. For instance, with other top laners, I could get away with a quick dash in the other direction. With her setup, she gets the dash, her slow, then an aa or so. I get crapped on in the trade and my opening appears to be after she does that - which is what I messed up not knowing the best thing to do...
so.... I'll put it to you. Irelia is full hp and you are down to say 80% of your hp. She dashes at you (causing dash to go on cd) and slows you. How exactly would you respond to that trade?
Playing bot lane with Hedgie and having this amazing outplay when we fought off a gank and got a kill. It was back when we'd lane together quite a bit so we both got pretty excited with the perfect target switching and coordinated kiting it took to get ahead off what could have been a double kill for the other team. "How long Thunder?! How long have we been playing together?!"
Honorable Mentions:
-Last night was slumming with one of my friends I'm trying to get out of Bronze and got a Penta as Swain. It was a 4v5 cause our MF's Dad was "Being a ****" so she bailed, but I was fed off Bronze II players so no worries... until my team wanted to do Baron. I've played with Pacov enough to know that a bad Baron call may or may not end up in catastrophe but letting your team try and do it without you pretty much guarantees PAINFUL AGONIZING FAILURE. So the four of us try and do Baron without an ADC and the enemy jumps us near the end and steals the Baron while killing my team. I got a good Nevermove on most of them while Zhonya ulting when Baron was still doing damage, so I got a Quadra and then used my new red buff to chase their Alistar almost to their mid inhib tower. PENTAKILL! He made me earn it so I gave him honor after the game.
-An enemy Leona was going to wall flash but I predicted it and sent out the chain while facing where she was but aiming where I thought she was gonna flash to. "Get over here!" but then I went over there and realized I didn't use the right quote but dropped a lantern for a friend and said "Get over here!" and we killed the bitch. I felt like Scorpion woulda been proud.
-Got a Penta with Irelia in a Ranked game I carried from start to finish. The game was still up in the air and we dove top inhib tower and I got the Penta without even realizing that I was even getting kills... I think this was more of my faceroll in teamfights stage of playing her.
My favorite moment was my first real penta kill. I was playing Karthus mid and just died in a 2v2 with my support still fighting 2v1. I killed the Irelia with a Q and channeled my ult while I was dead. I did it to kill the guy my support was dueling but little did I know that there was a 2v2 in the river on top side between the junglers and tops, and a 1v1 in the river on bottom side between the adcs. As my ult dropped there was no DOUBLE KILL, TRIPLE KILL, QUADRA KILL, just an instant PENTA KILL notification. I was like WHAT JUST HAPPENED and I got to watch the replay. It was redicilous timing. This was back when the meta had like zero assassins; leblanc was a troll pick, zed, fizz, and talon didn't exsist, and kassadin was literally permabanned even more than now.
There was also a Peterdumptruck ARAM that was top tier. There was a guy on our team that would just move and taunt the whole time as singed so I proceeded to do the same with Darius and Peter did the same thing with fizz. We taunted the enemy players into getting pulled and flipped and just annhilated them. We would purposely take shots from them to just later grab them and instantly kill some one. Peter was practically crying with laughter.
OH and I forgot a really funny disappointment:
I had a teamwork ribbon for about 2 days. I got it and was like AWESOME FINALLY GOT ONE AFTER LIKE 200 TEAMWORSK! Then 2 days later it magically diappeared. Riot is an excellant troll or I was just trolling to hard the games after I got it.
uh... look at this:
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/07/71-pbe-update-new-skins-for-aatrox-and.html
Hrm, so apparently the inactivity warning thing bugged out on me. I got the 9 day warning for inactivity on Thursday of last week. I got demoted today. That is not 9 days. Yay Riot!
i mean... aatrox turns into a jet in the new skin...
edit - uh... sorry to hear that karl. ><
Ah, more jungle changes. And of course, they make no fucking sense.
Riot's stated goal is to help out tank junglers with pressure from people like Lee Sin, Pantheon, and Kha (all champions they listed). Then, they make insane Machete changes that just contradict that.
The problem is that Machete is losing the 10% damage buff to monsters. Well, junglers like Lee Sin, Pantheon, and Kha will actually be getting that damage back because their skills will be hitting harder since the damage on Machete is going to AD and they have skills that scale with AD. But tanks don't generally have skills that scale with AD. They have skills that scale with AP. So its just a flat 10% nerf to tank camp clear speeds.
So tanks clear SUBSTANTIALLY slower early on, while the "problems" that Riot explicitly lists clear at probably about the same speed. Um, so how is this supposed to help tank junglers with early pressure again?
It just means that you bad better not be playing an autoattacking champion (they just got wrecked pretty good), and tanks are going to get pressured even harder earlier. I haven't played too much with the other new jungle items, so maybe they are OP enough to make up for it.
it's +10 autoattack damage. They basically just converted it from magic to physical (technically slightly worse since jungle monsters have 0 or negative MR).
There is a tooltip hotfix already on PBE.
Oh, so Riot patch notes were just wrong again. Thats nice too.
so much for me doing a run though of the new jangle item on pbe... oddly obsessed with crappy games on LAN tonight. Just wanted some low key nonsense I think. Back tomorrow for normal fun. Night all!
Don't forget to chime in if you have any comments related to cow's "what's your fav moment" question!
Peterdumptruck Starring in "Sugar Piss" is definitely my favorite of your videos. I wish I could of been there for it live though
Yah - quite a few good pete moments, eh.
On SotAG being able to ward on TT - "this is unintentional and has already been fixed internally. We may get the fix to live if there is a redeploy, otherwise it won't be until next patch. I know that sucks, sorry all.
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