This is the first post in a series that will have all titans fight each other in an 1v1 situation. This is not meant to start another balancing discussion but more as helpful information that allows you to decide if you should stay and fight or run for your life when you have 2 titan supported fleets engage each other.
TEC Ragnarov VS TEC Ankylon
Round 1:
Titan Level: 1
Research: All is researched
Gravity well: Neutral
Used Titan Upgrades: Abilities
Result: Ragnarov wins with 4114/5889 HP remaining. Furious Defense in neutral is no match for snipe.
Round 2:
Used Titan Upgrades: Armor and firepower upgrades
Result: Ragnarov wins with 5689/7066 HP remaining.The Ragnarov does profit more from the non ability upgrades than the Ankylon.
Round 3:
Titan Level: 10
Used Titan Upgrades: All that help against other Titans
Result: Ragnarov wins with 12880/15759 HP remaining. The Ankylon might be still sporting awesome armor but on this level the Ragnarov is anything but fragile... denying the Ankylon more than moderate damage before sucumbing to the far superior firepower of its enemy.
Round 4:
Gravity well: Owned by the player with the Ankylon
Result: Ankylon wins with 17792/18532 HP remaining. An entirely different result when the Ankylon is in its own gravity well. The Militia weapons upgrade does stack with the 65 % damage increase from Furios Defense, finally giving the Ankylon some serious firepower. But far worse for the Ragnarov, the combination of Milia armor and the higher hull repair rate of furious defense ability make the Ankylon short of invulnerable. It just sits there, taking barrage after barrage of all that murderous firepower like it was nothing but pesky flies. When the Ragnarov dies, it has barely done more than scratching the paint job of the Ankylon.
Round 5:
Titan Level: 6
Result: Ragnarov wins with 9518/12288 HP remaining. As Inspire and Impair does not affect Titans at all, it is only logical that the amplied abilities of the Ragnarov make short work of the Ankylon.
Round 6:
Research: No research is done
Result: Ragnarov wins with 3427/4530 HP remaining. The Ragnarov does profit more from research upgrades than the Ankylon.
Round 7:
Result: Ragnarov wins with 2223/4530 HP remaining. The better version of Furious Defense does help, but there is still no hope for the Ankylon to win a straight fight.
Round 8:
Research: All military research is done that can be achieved with 5 military labs.
Result: Ankylon wins with 13891/15163 HP remaining. Milia armor and weapons make a massive difference.
Round 9:
Research: Milita armor and Milita weapons is researched.
Result: Ankylon wins with 2828/6480 HP remaining. Milia armor and weapons save the day for the Loyalists.
Summary: The Ragnarov is a beast. Only when in its own gravity wells and with the right upgrades the Ankylon stands a chance. So here my recommodations for such a TEC mirror match:
As TEC Loyalists: Get Militia upgrades! They require only one lab more than the Titan itself and more a huge difference. Always go for abilities on the Ankylon, they are far better than the armor or damage increase. And naturally.. try to fight in your own gravity wells. Facing the Ragnarov in any other than your own gravity wells is quite unhealthy for your fleet and titan. Level up your Ankylon as a top priority. It does shine only on the higher levels where group shield becomes effective. Try to kill the Ragnarov quickly. Always get Inspire and Impair on level 6 and 8. It is by far the best ability of the Titan and will ruin your enemies day in any fleet battle.
As TEC Rebels: When you attack, bomb the planet first. Once the planet is gone so are the advantages of the Loyalists. Research armor upgrades, they make your Giant gun much more durable. One or two Titan armor upgrades might be usefull, too. Ignore the Ankylon, kill all other things first. Try to lure them into attacking you, the Loyalist are ill suited for offense... while your ragnarov deals just the same damage when on defense duty. Snipe his capital ships... below the maximum level group shield does a poor job at protecting them from you and he has to retreat them the moment they come under fire.Avoid twin fortresses under the influence of Inspire and Impair.... those things dish out broadsides that make look your titan like a toy gun im comparsion.
Thanks for reading, stay tuned for the next installment.... Ragnarov VS Eradica.
wow +1
Nice summation sir.
Perhaps when the comparisons are all doen you can rename the thread, "Clash of the Titans".
If you want me to help out I will. Just tell me what conditions you want me to run the comparisons under.
I feel sad now....I like playing as the TEC Loyalists
It is well known that the rag will beat every titan at equal level in a 1v1.
Well to be fair you are comparing the premier single target damage titan to the premier fleet-support titan. Frankly Ragnarov should beat down the Ankylon 1v1 IMO. Likewise with a large fleet support on both sides the Aklyon should have the edge if the titans are balanced properly.
Also it's not just snipe that's turning the fight in the ragnarov's favor: Almost all titans have their guns almost equally distributed between their forward, back, left, and right banks. The damage in the infocard is the titan's total firepower(divided up between banks). The ragnarov is unique in that a majority of it's weapons damage is cocnentrated in it's fore guns. As a result in a 1v1 titan battle the ragnarov is bringing almost all of it's firepower to bear- most other titans like the anklyon are only bringing 25-35% of their total firepower to bear- they need to be fighting a fleet rather then a single ship in order to actually be firing all of their guns. This results i nthe ragnarov having a very large built in advantage in a 1v1 situation such as your tests.
Heck, in 1v1 titan matches the ANkylon's 2 strongest abilities are usless. Furious defense is handy, but it's via the fleetwide silence/AoE of disruption matrix and widescale defensive benefits of Shield ally that the Ankylon proves it's worth as a titan- and neither of those have any real impact on a 1v1 titan battle.
The tec Loyals certainly have issues and to be fair the Ankylon probably isn't one of the stronger titans- but titan balance has far too much complexity to be properly reflected simply by 1v1 titan battles.
He knows this. Testing with a support fleet makes things a lot more complicated though.
Probably a good point. Honestly I think I may have fired off a knee-jerk preprogrammed response to 1v1=balance threads without considering the intent of the OP.
If so, sorry about my prior post- any gathered test data is useful presented and used in the right way.
wow, thanks for the post!
Having 1v1 results is nice as a reference, but for reasons already stated, it's not so helpful for decision-making "when you have 2 titan-supported fleets", as OP suggests.
This post is very true, but the Ankylon is a Defender and plays as advertised. when it is sitting its in own well with a support fleet it is nearly unstoppable as expected. On Hard I often have to lure this bad boy away from the well or try to nuke the planet its on fast to even the odds. I love it. Now you put it in its own well with 2 fully loaded bases and YOU SHALL NOT PASS.
The Rag is all offensive all the time as expected its all about he push. the Rag and that Vasari with the MAW ability are 2 of my favorites. The Rag eats cap shipped like snacks will the MAW feast on Support fleets.
man i love this game.
I have to disagree with tobz. This is extremely useful for planning Support fleets. With this info, we now have a way to know which ships to build to support which titan. (It will get more useful when we have comparisons for each.) For example, the Ankylon needs more firepower in its fleet with less focus on support cruisers, and the ragnarov needs Cielos and Hoshikos to back it up, with moderate firepower support. Basically, now we don't have to change old strategies of what to build if enemy builds X ship. Just drop 100-200 supply as pure titan support, and build the rest of the fleet as normal.
-Twi
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