Dr. Michael Behe’s example of Mt. Rushmore was particularly humorous. All he did was shift the emphasis to man’s enhancements and use that as some kind of useful example. The question should have been how the mountain got there to be carved by man … not what man did afterwards? Piss pour example if you ask me and yet these guys see “Mt. Rushmore’s” in most cellular activity, well wasn’t that a result of man … not anything more intelligent, hahaha. Take the work of man out of the picture and all you have left is another mountain which would make for another piss-pore argument. You have to love rabbits though, hehehe. Intelligent design is little more than creationism pseudoscience repackaged. Bible thumpers and goobers hahaha … perfect. Science is ever changing and improving while religion is firmly fixed in its ideas based on a two thousand year old philosophy.
On Netflix at http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Flock_of_Dodos/70076348?trkid=2361637
They pulled their clips (???) so I put this one here in its place, sorry. MTCAKABT
The ape in me loves NOVA
Ken Miller on Human Evolution http://youtu.be/zi8FfMBYCkk
Hi myfist0, I have been over the trial and the mock up trial several times now but the results still haven't changed hahaha. It should prove interesting (???) as they continue trying to fight this ‘pseudo’-science ape stuff. At least this ruling should force some new way for them to try and get religion back into the schools. I just think these people are doomed (have been for quite some time now) to failure because there is no other explanation. They just refuse to acknowledge the facts preferring a lack thereof instead. I cannot even imagine a world where all our truth, science and knowledge were metered out only in bible class, go figure. Just think, exorcism instead of medicine and probably circumcisions for all too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
I find it rather ironic that the people that have no problem admitting they are evolved from apes, or some version thereof, are the ones that use reason, math, and science, where the ones that were poofed into existence from some magical, all knowing, all seeing being refuse to use their brain at all and just take the word of a few wackos as truth. You would think that this being would grant these delusional people a little insight.
Are these the the same over-medicated cookoos that tell the atheist that they're religious? I would rather converse with a snail then continue to debate with talking snakes and burning bushes.
I just like apes because they are smarter than some people I know. And they are firm believers in 'The Real World' only ... too.
ROFL GFT
No never thought of that. I am a human, the first thing that came to my mind was...
People are entitled to their opinions but they are not entitled to make up their own facts. Dr. Michael Behe … smoke and mirrors is right. God of the gaps was great … the smarter we get … the smaller the gaps… At least creationists are willing to define their designer whereas the ID’ers just leaves that part blank, go figure. ID infused in the big bang to justify the ID concept, what nonsense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vDzcJNt1MM
Why are so few things considered designed by a designer when it is quite obvious that most things are not???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=NZR_jo_tCy0&NR=1
I know creationists think ALL secular scientists are screwed up so how about from the mouth on another man of god (the costume speaks for itself). But I think this priest would make for some very good conversations as opposed to the creation nonsense being bandied about as some truism.
A Priest Mocks Creationism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYQuvwQ4y-k
Biblical creationists (religions in general) have an unlimited number of excuses to explain away the real world we have come to understand today. As an atheist, I have been called astonishing things by religious folk who believe only their specific bible is the true word of their specific god (just making a point) and the only accurate historical document we have today??? And because I don’t, I am considered closed minded, insensitive, hateful, a truth denier, hypocritical, oblivious, blasphemy (of course) and just plain wrong about everything. Oh yea, evolution doesn’t work because the bible told me so. Well life just keeps on trucking semi forward and the databank is cumulative, and I think that this problem is mostly going to go away all just from their own specific dogmas. And the only thing they can say, every single time, no matter the topic or the discussion … what it all boils down to is “God did it”.
Richard Dawkins One Fact to Refute Creationism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Q2tkfMU_g&feature=related
Found this just looking for dodos and thought it was appropriate. It is amazing that biblical realists inflict everyone else with the responsibility of proving their myths (their magic mind you) aren’t true as if I should GaS.
Found Creationist vs Evolution (parody) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqQKEe8SmQ&feature=fvsr
I'm gonna be that guy and point out some serious flaws with the OP (other than the fact that it is obviously a marketing video intended to promote a certain ideology, and not just educate):
@0:45~0:59 - What if a "future" discovery does in fact cause the earth to be viewed as a different "shape"? This is one of the most serious disservices that modern "scientists" are inflicting on not only those that blindly believe their assertions, but also themselves; and it goes against the very nature of "science". As humanity has grown back into a more clear understanding of reality, we have slowly but surely come to discover that our dimension contains much more depth than once believed. In a three dimensional perspective, the planet earth is indeed "a spherical object frozen in space". However, even this perspective is merely a stepping stone in the evolution of understanding. A fourth dimensional perspective is one in which the individual entity classified as "earth" is thought of as merely a system, or relationship between opposing forces (energies), that takes on many "shapes and sizes", and which is actually just a smaller part of a much more wholistic machine. Einstein's theory of relativity represents a turning point in this development of consciousness, however the majority of humanity (including the producer of the video in the OP) are still stuck in a Newtonian way of viewing their reality. Slowly, but surely, the sphere rolls. "Science" can help expedite this process by not insisting that the current level of generally accepted knowledge is de facto.
The other issue with this assertion is that it actually isn't scientifically sound. Many ancient cultures around the globe knew that the larger being of which they were a part is (in a three dimensional sense) spherical. Really only about half of us believed it to be flat, and only for a moment in history. In fact, most of the truly modern and fringe concepts being propounded by the scientific community directly reflect the ancient philosophies from which the core of almost all religions is formed.
I also wouldn't call modern medicine much more than a cure for modern afflictions, for rich people. 60% of the planet doesn't even have clean drinking water. Anesthesia and the mapping of the human circulatory system are not new by any stretch of the imagination either.
Scientists and historians both need to be much more critical in their deductions, too much is taken on the word of others that aren't actually deserving of such credence. This video is a great example: just because it's title contains the word "science" the majority of it's viewers will most likely not bother to validate the assertions made within. No word, not even that of a "scientist", should ever over-power an individual's internal evaluation of truth.
@2:39 - Memory foam? The running shoe? The electric razor? Breast implants? Really? Just because Sid Meier says a civilization is advanced does not make it so. The bible actually does contain many more beneficial contributions towards the development of human consciousness than most of the inventions mentioned, and it's just a rewrite. If the vision of a modern Christian is considered simplistic, it does not reflect the heart of their religion, the same heart found in the monasteries of religions all over the world.
Science and religion are not opposites. Religion is the science of developing human consciousness, and science should be the art of nurturing the human environment.
Honestly, that this video symbolizes education in any way is scary. Science and trust have nothing to do with one another. I depart this thread most likely never to return.
Oh and +1 for white buses.
Nice to see you back Tess
Ya, I had to forcibly endure 10 years of that 'developing my human consciousness' crap, where questioning anything is frowned upon and even punished, and mindless regurgitation was rewarded.
I don't think you fully appreciate how awesome electric razors are. I recently switched after using everything from straight razors to disposables, and they're fantastic.
Your past has obviously culminated in a relatively aware state of being: may this reinforce your inquisitive nature; blind faith does nothing but instil weakness in mankind, be it in "religion" or "science".
Above all else, ensure that you can trust yourself.
Edit, to reiterate: No word, not even that of a "religious person", should ever over-power an individual's internal evaluation of truth. Stay strong.
Actually, I haven't used a straight blade in years either. Then again, I only shave when I have to.
Oops a change of mind I see, humm
The ability to copy paste from a dictionary does not demonstrate understanding. There are many search engines available to assist in further grasping anything I may have written that you are finding complex. I am also willing to entertain an intelligent conversation, but you must excuse me if the very nature of this thread did not accurately represent the probability of actually finding one within. My sources will not be coming from Youtube, or even all the very large books on my shelves (like the dictionary), but the accumulated understanding of those books - me. You may argue with those books on your own time.
The point of the above line is escaping me, please clarify.
Christianity is just one of the many view points that my unique perspective is derived from; neurochemical psychology, physics, Vedanta, Taoism, and a lifetime's devotion to the evolution of religious thought are a few others. I also wouldn't classify this thread as much of a conversation, and I apologize if I've wasted your time, but you alone choose how it is spent.
Who said anything about copy and paste? And what could that have to do with anything? I use search engines all the time but you error if you feel that I care enough about what you are want to say if you are incapable of using plain English. What is intelligent about making things as up with your start here?
Fair enough! Unfortunately, my hair grows very unevenly so I have to shave more often than I'd like.
GirlFriendTess......
There are only two types of people who would argue a Religious-based topic on the net.... fanatics and trolls.
The former won't be swayed and the latter won't care.
You're on a hiding to nothing.....
How is this thread still going? I can only do serious troll for so long....
Glad we're on the same page. Keep this in mind next time somebody attempts to hint at the notion that viewing the planet as simply a three dimensional sphere in space is not only a dated perspective, but also an extremely limiting one.
"We" don't know anything, as you and I obviously have quite different backgrounds. However both of us
Mankind itself is behind most of the plagues that it suffers from. Is politics a religion or a science?
A book, and what people do with it, are two entirely different matters. Personally I was able to derive quite a bit of historical and psychological insight from the text.
Healers have been practicing anesthesiology for thousands of years.
Most religious folk I know consider themselves quite erred, including myself. Every day brings new struggles, and growth.
Where am I "popping in from", and how exactly am I redirecting the OP?
Why are you so quick to dismiss a discovery that you haven't even attempted to make yet?
"We" (people performing experiments), are doing this every day. Einstein disproved Newton's theory of gravity. I thought we agreed that "science isn't defacto"?
What?
I might ask you to be so considerate in your denigrating of the intelligent design theory, but I really don't care what you do. The fact that you feel my contributions to the thread diminish the value of it's content in any way tells me nothing more than how little you care for this "conversation". Honestly, the thread feels more like a support group for insecurity. Please clarify your goals, but only if you are actually interested in discussing the theory of intelligent design, or relativity, or anything other than the unsupported assertion that Christianity at it's core is ignorant. Ignorance comes in all shapes and sizes, and from all walks of life. I really don't care to discuss the matter.
I might actually buy this shirt if I saw it hanging in a store.
If you are truly interesting in these lines of thought, I recommend the authors Amit Goswami, and P.D. Ouspensky's "Tertium Organum", just to name a couple.
GFT automatically denigrates anything said by anyone she can attach to the word 'Christian.' I'm not sure if this applies to other religions or not. If I said the sky was blue, she would call me stupid and say it's azure.
WOW, that is one, weak ass argument.
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