I think this is a fair question, and I don't think that a certain somebody who wishes to cram their opinion (that is basically: republican BAD, democrat GOOD) down people's throats makes for a good topic starter.
How do people feel that politicians, ceos, etc, view the middle class? Are we on the path to destruction, will China take over, is there any hope for putting a stop to the middle class tumble?
I won't be blocking alternate points of view, I think everyone should have the right to post about what is essientially, the essense of American future.
If I were arguing with him face-to-face, one of us would probably end up hospitalized, but whatever...
While you're sidestepping the rest of my post by accusing me of sidestepping, care to actually back up a claim or two? I expect these valid points will be ignored in perpetuity since they're coming from a tea bagging redneck who's obviously racist by virtue of being white.
So... are you saying you would resort to violence simply because you can't stand someone disagreeing with you? Generally that is the reactionary behavior of abused children, criminals, and psychopaths... or people that can't win arguments
Racism is no laughing matter. Do yourself a favor and look up something called "silent racism". You'd be surprised at how society discriminates against minorities without even realizing it. When idiot teabaggers claim that Obama is a racist, they are spitting on the millions of minorities who have been subjected to prejudice and discrimination for centuries.
Obama is not a racist... and no, he was not born in another country. Anyone that says either of those two things is undeserving of American citizenship.
Oh and I almost forgot (sorry, the sheer stupidity in some of the American population sometimes escapes me)... Obama is not a Muslim, either. Anyone that says that has the IQ of a mentally handicapped and/or comatose hamster.
Sorry, I digress.
You're not a conservative in disguise trying to make liberals look like fucktards, are you? If so it's really low, not to mention unnecessary.
Don't read many of the posts you're sticking up for, do you? His first version of that last one got deleted because he was so offensive. I was humbled by how ineffective I am at broad brushing half the country with expletives. Don't worry though, I'll endeavor to do better in the future.
I'm white and I'm male. Guess what happens when I apply for a job and have the same qualifications as a black female? Why do you even bring up Obama? There hasn't even been an implication that he's supposed to be racist in this thread, he's not even white, let alone protesting his own policies and earning the ire of your patron saint here at the forums...
I tell you what, you find a minority that's been subjected to prejudice and discrimination for centuries, and I'll go dig up the dead people that subjected them to all that racism and make them apologize for it. If it's not happening now, get the fuck over it and move on.
Yes, you do. You're a retard just for making reference to the idiots that think he's a foreign born Muslim when no one was even mentioning it. That would be like pulling out the nut jobs that think Bush is a closet Nazi with ties to the Illuminati because someone criticizes something he's actually done.
Looks like the Lutheran has been flushed out of his comfort zone. I find this quite amusing.
His posts don't lead me to believe he's still in a comfort zone to begin with. They're more of the "stick up your ass" variety, probably on account of our impending doom at the hands of evil conservatives.
Oh you're such a clever child. You must be proud of yourself. Can you make a poopie in the toilet all by yourself now?
No, I try not to waste my time countering arguments from Neanderthals on obscure Internet forums. It's pretty apparent in this thread alone that you have a more consistently aggressive personality. (Or, at least, in the virtual world.)
Oh boohoo. What about your privileged upbringing, the opportunity to attend better funded schools (statistically) or your higher average income by race (statistically)? You think you have it bad? Did you even bother to look up what silent racism means? Because you show a clear lack of understanding on the issue of race.
Ooh, a little touchy today aren't we? Looks like I pushed some of your buttons. Gotta work on your anger management...
How ironic, coming from you.
I gotta ask, did you write this with a straight face? If you did, that's just hilarious. I mean, seriously... Mumbles is a racist? Against who, might I ask? Teletubbies?
Keep it coming, you crack me up.
I might be mistaken, but in an article some time ago I think the Lutheran claimed that he and his family fled Michigan because of their racism as they gleefully participated in "white flight."
Depends.
I know, I'm terrible.
I think Mumbles is a Neanderthal too, but I wasn't aware we agreed on that point... I'll lower my expectations a little further, do you at least read your own posts as you write them or are you having an out of body experience at the time?
Yeah... sorry, I didn't look it up. That's okay, though, I rectified my mistake and sure enough, it means the same thing it did the last time I looked! It's crap.
My elementary school sucked hard at math and science. I discovered this when I was taking the eighth grade advanced math class in seventh grade and didn't know what pi was, how the hell did I get there you ask? I have no fucking clue, genius is a mysterious thing. My high school had the lowest literacy rate in the city, junior high wasn't much better.
I'm an individual, I had a post college graduate reading level by the sixth grade. I got there by reading books from the library. My skin color didn't encourage me to check out books, my parents and teachers did. Well, mostly, one of my teachers called my parents down for an emergency intervention because I was reading too much instead of spending time with my family, but she was really stupid.
If your parents suck and don't encourage you to learn, your parents suck. If your school sucks and doesn't encourage you to learn, mine did shockingly enough, then maybe you should get off your knees long enough to look at who supports all those union run monopolies we have pretending to be educational districts.
You wont find a private school being run by the hoodlums instead of the teachers, and you wont find a public school in that condition if the parents sending their kids to school there give a shit enough to make a stink about it. If a place like Harlem wants to clean their schools up, it wouldn't take a week to do it. It's real easy, you just expel everyone that causes problems, arrest them for trespassing if they show up again. Light a fire under your school board and they'll do it. They like their cushy government jobs.
Kill off the unions and you can even fire teachers that don't do their jobs!
Oh, right, we were talking about Silent Racism... A book written by, of all things, a liberal, unionized, government employed teacher! I don't have a guilt complex over my racist tendencies brought about by my upbringing. There aren't any. I wouldn't cross the street for a black guy in a suit and tie, who the hell would worry about a guy in a suit beating the shit out of them for walking on their street? I'd have to be a fucking retard to walk right up to a group of gang bangers all dressed and pressed for the prison ball, and they wouldn't need to be black. It's not race, it's behavior. Speech patterns, dress codes. I've been around the drive by crowd, and I stay the hell away from people that look like the type unless I'm heavily armed. In which case, I'd be spending the next several hours having cops harass me for discharging a firearm should they discover a little too late that I think of shooting people that pull a weapon on me to be in the same category as taking out the garbage.
If some dipshit is calling everyone dawg and home, with his pants hanging around his ankles under a coat ten sizes two big, it's his fault I'm assuming he's a moron or a hoodlum. If you want to play at the thuglife, people taking you seriously is going to be a side effect.
Yeah, you have. Those fucking retards are on my mandatory sterilization list too. Every time I hear one of them, I can feel the vacuum from their mere existence sucking the intelligence out of the rest of society.
"the Lutheran"? Got something against Lutherans? Your prejudice is coming out a little Not that I give a shit really, one religion's the same as any other... a waste of time.
As for the racism bit... I find your far-fetched story extremely... far-fetched. I've never heard the description "gleefully participating in white flight", though there's a first time for everything.
White flight is usually a less conscious action, but on a societal level.
They're trolls and you know the only thing you can do with trolls.
In fact without the presence of someone like you or me their threads simply wither and die a quick death because in reality they have nothing to say and no original thought. Take a look at what little is left of the Joe Loser site and you'll see what I'm talking about. At most there's a dozen regulars rehashing all the same old stuff again and again. It's really quite sad.
So I usually just let them be and they swim around in their little pissant of a pond thinking what wonderful big fish they are.
Of course when they talk about me directly on a forum directly visible on my home site then I feel compelled to respond even if they haven't explicitly "mentioned me by name" (as if they're really fooling anyone). For all I know they're so hard up for things to talk about they feel compelled to talk about me in forums visible only on Joe Loser, I wouldn't know since I find it too depressing to go there, and I really don't care what they do in the confines of their own site. If it makes them happy and keeps them occupied then fine.
Anyway they are very much children and if they don't get their own way they'll stomp their feet and hold their breath and scream and holler and cry and of course they absolutely demand to have the last word. So let them have it.
Let them have their way and let them think that they've won. They're really so desperate to "win" on the internet because all of their feelings of self worth are tied up in their internet persona's. To me that indicates someone with no real life and I feel sorry for them and so I grant them their Pyrrhic "victories", they mean so much to them and so little to me.
Incredible. Ignorance on such a scale as I've never seen. You really, really think it's that's easy? It's not the unions (though firing bad teachers can help), it's all about socio-economic status. Research has consistently shown that one thing stands out the most: kids who go to well-funded schools are more successful. Period. You send your kid to a low socio-economic status school and then come back here and tell me you still think they have a chance in the real world. You'll change your tune real quick.
Two words: Seek help.
Oh, and you're completely wrong. Silent racism is real, and not just some "liberal book". One study revealed that landlords were more reluctant to return calls to interested parties if they sounded black. Silent discrimination in action right there. You can deny it all you want, or denigrate it as "liberal", but it doesn't make it untrue. Modern America is still rampant with racism, and much of it subconscious or less obvious.
You're betraying some of your own racist sentiments here. You bring up the topic of silent racism, then go into descriptions of thugs? So thuglife is suddenly a characteristic of minorities? (and not whites too?) Tsk tsk. You invalidated your point and showed yourself to be a jackass. Well done.
So very true. I shouldn't waste my time here.
Edit: Dammit, now you've guilt-tripped me into feeling bad. I shouldn't be picking on Internet trolls... it's probably just feeding a cycle of self-loathing or depression. It's too bad they try to vent here instead of seeking real help.
In Freudian psychology, Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies their own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.[1]
Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted unconscious impulses or desires without letting the conscious mind recognize them.
An example of this behavior might be blaming another for self failure. The mind may avoid the discomfort of consciously admitting personal faults by keeping those feelings unconscious, and redirect their libidinal satisfaction by attaching, or "projecting," those same faults onto another.
"Anyway they are very much children and if they don't get their own way they'll stomp their feet and hold their breath and scream and holler and cry and of course they absolutely demand to have the last word. So let them have it."
Says the person who came in to MY TOPIC that I created to tell me that I stole his topic. Okay, sure, but guess what? It's an important topic that affects people today, and nothing gets accomplished by you trying to force your opinion down people's throat and then banning them if they disagree.
You can't really talk about acting like a child. This topic was created because I wanted to talk about an important issue due to you acting like a child.
This isn't even getting into the fact that you (And well, pretty much everyone else) abused the topic simply because I made it open ended. I only wanted to discuss the middle class openly.
I guess you missed it, I went to "the black school" in junior high and high school. Although it was more Asian than black. There be a lot of Koreans and Samoans in Anchorage! They do most of the drive by action up there in my neighborhood.
What do you get when you research a school run by a bunch of hoodlums with hoodlum parents that don't mind their hoodlum children acting like hoodlums? A correlation between the parents and the students... I know, it's really shocking!
You'd wish me on a therapist? That's cold, real cold...
The root of Ebonics is low English over in Europe. So, do they really sound black, or do they actually sound like 16th Century Hillbilly. I wouldn't rent to anyone that sounded black either. If you sound black it means you sound like something other than a well spoken, properly educated individual. Want people to rent to you? Learn English and stop talking like a hillbilly. Just because there are so few hillbillies left that the stereotype for the dialect has become black people doesn't make me a racist for thinking someone sounds like a moron for using it.
I didn't mention skin color, just clothing and language. It's you that associates minorities with speaking like a moron and wearing baggy clothing. Most of the ones I've met were white rap fans.
No, you shouldn't. I'd stop myself, but I'm just not smart enough to leave the irredeemably stupid to their own devices when they plaster their stupidity all over a public place like this.
You... have got to be kidding me. I didn't think you would do it, but you did. Your racism is so blatant and obvious it's like a loudspeaker in my ear.
This surpasses trolling. What a disgusting person you are. I don't feel sorry for you at all.
First: You are so completely wrong about the origins of Ebonics. I have never heard stupider words in my entire life. 16th century hillbilly? What.the.fuck. Ebonics has its roots in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, evolving from the mix of European English and African languages. My god I don't know where you got your racist information but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Second: You equate Ebonics with not sounding like a properly educated individual. That.is.racist. No buts about it. Someone speaks different from you, and you call them uneducated? Wanna know how some ethnic cleansing programs get started? Yea, that's right, sometimes it's just the way they speak.
You are the lowest of the low. May the God I don't believe in have mercy on your soul, because it's pretty much damned.
Oh, the irony. You might want to quit while you can still crawl out of the hole you've dug yourself into, before you find yourself in jail.
I should be a fortune teller.
Yeah, I can't stand Convict Irish scum! But wait, I'm part Irish myself, so it's really self loathing, not racism!
That's Jamaican. Dis shit's a myth dawg, you bin had!
Out of curiosity, are people that make fun of Bush for sounding like a stupid shit when he's speaking Texican also racist? I was just wondering on my way to jail, or hell if I happen to die first.
You two make me smile
I'm happy to entertain. It makes life worth living.
I sure would like to see his long form birth certificate to verify that, though.
And you have a very strange idea of who deserves to be a citizen. Personally, with that attitude, I don't think you deserve to be a U.S. citizen.
Back on Topic:
Your premise is flawed How people feel is irrelevant. how they perceive is probably what you were going for. And it is hard to lump all politicians in one boat as it is to lump all CEOs in one boat. No one here would say that a Christine O'Donnell has the same views as a Nancy Pelosi on virtually anything. And I would make the same comparison between a Steve Jobs and Meg Whitman.
If you are asking us how "we feel", i.e. what is our opinion. Then we do not need to think about CEOs or politicians. You are asking us for our opinion, which is a very good starting point. And I stand by my previous statement
Yes, the MF thing did sidetrack me (I do not read his blog so did not realize he had written anything on the subject until the comments). But the topic is a good one.
Yes he is, and I proved it (and your childish petulance will not allow this to get back on topic since that is above your intelligence level). If you care to review the comments on several threads (one of them being the owner of this site), you would know exactly that he is. You only have to goad him to see that he is a closet cross burner who loves to spew the hate, but yes, gets very touchy when his own is pointed out.
you on the other hand are easily amused by things you have no clue on. I am not surprised. from your posts, it is obvious most of this is far above your pay grade and intelligence.
Still lying I see. Guess you hate a "free" forum where you cannot stifle dissenting views. Which is good for the rest of us. hard to have a standing ovation when the audience is filled with one armed men.
If you ever find a logical argument, we will actually be the first to tell you. What you actually mean is that you cannot appeal to "authority" to win arguments, and so you get mad and take your comments home.
It seems I did underestimate you. I did not realize that you were a god (without you or me?????). So sorry. I did not realize that ANY site - to be legitimate - had to have your approval! Aw, how do you get t-shirts on over the swelled head of yours?
Well, apparently they were fooling you! But again, that oversized ego of yours. How do you fit through doors with it? Would they not just part for you?
Projecting again I see. The only childish ones are you and the mixed pickle character. You are the one that "took your comments home" as you freely admitted AND then blocked all discussion (except parroting). No use in bringing up the pot and kettle analogy. You have a monopoly on that. no one can even approach your hypocrisy.
Sorry, I do am not a member of the church of stupid with the high priest being MF. I enjoy a good debate (but I know, if you are not in it, then it does not exist! Sorry to have offended your ego). Please, run back to your cesspool. Where you can stroke your ego to your hearts content and live lavishly in your own fantasy - no blacks allowed of course.
I see why they are 2 peas in a pod now. Racists do tend to "flock together".
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