UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".
Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997
Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source: http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996
Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010
This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.
While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.
Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.
I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...
Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).
It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.
I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.
Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.
I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.
So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?
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I have a standardized response to this seems to fit every time!
We (the human race) would have to be more than pretty arrogant to believe we are the only intelligent life forms out there!
I know earlier the question was posed ...depends on the definition of intelligent...for this discussion I would say...definition of intelligent would be technically advanced enough to leave the the planet of origin.
my 2 cents
The term UFO will eventually become obsolete. Once we know who they are, they won't be Unidentified. Then they'll be just another F-ing Object.
I believe! I've been abused by aliens! They did things to me! Strange things! Sexual things! Using Unidentified Forceful Objects! My butt hurts!
I don't know if I'm missiong the point you're trying to make or what, but what does that have to do with teleportation? Or are you just saying "It's not possible now, but will be in the future?"
Given the scale of the known (observible) universe, not to mention the universe currently beyond our ken, I believe that other lifeforms have a strong probability of existing. If we made it, then why not others? Why should we be unique? Are they aware of us - I doubt it, considering we have only been broadcasting our presence since the invention of radio communication. Our venturing to a planet suitable of harbouring life is very very far off - the technology needed is way beyond us for now. So its more likely that an extremely advanced lifeform will find us first - but will we be capable of even recognising such an advanced lifeform for what it is. We would be akin to ants inside a laptop; extremely curious, but without the faintest idea of what we were crawling over.
Some dream. Right.... it's a doody (sorry...medical lingo) implant causing all this.
George Bishop Berkley, eh Special K?
Sorry...my delusions and hallucinations are waaaay better than that.
Hey...wipe that 'you know what' eating grin off your face!
Well of course it's not possible now. The point is, we can't comprehend the mechanism of teleportation because it hasn't been discovered yet. At this point in time, we only understand 3 dimensions, but there is definitely a possibility that we could utilize higher dimensions to 'cheat' physics. Time would be irrelevant, making travel instantaneous.
It's a bold statement to say it's impossible to transport a human using quantum mechanics. It IS possible, we just don't understand how or why yet. That was a quote from Einstein, speaking of course about relativity. It essentially means that it's possible for us to travel anywhere in space in an instant.
Yeah, but it'll still take forever to logon to WC!
Screw the speed of light! It'll still take forever to logon to WC! That's the Universal Constant.
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This will give you an idea of the vastness of the 'visible' universe. The furthest distance we can see with any real clarity is approximately 13 billion light years. That is not to say the universe is that old. In all likely hood it's much older. During the time it took for that light to reach us the universe has expanded a great deal. As for life other than ours, it would be pure arrogance to think we are the only ones. And why haven't we seen any ET's......could it be we're just too primitive in their eyes, not yet mature enough to accept the fact that one: we are not alone and never have been or two: we as a species are too violent. A quote from a forgotten source......"You kill your own babies."
I believe:
I'm also pretty sure that the apostrophe is doomed to become nothing more than an occasional suggestion that the next letter in a word (or 'acronym') is going to be an S. Sad, that. Very sad.
The Truth Is Up There.
I don't care either way...but if some dopey US President jumps into the nearest fighter to go lead the charge to blow the fuckers off 'our' skies and AGAIN save the whole world I will probably slit my wrists and care even LESS.
As mentioned previously, the number of stars ni the universe is too great to NOT have sentient life.
Had no idea the (visible) universe was THAT big! A few million stars, ok, but a billion trillion??? How can there be so many??
And it's not a bold statement to say that "it IS possible?" Using the the quatum entanglement method of "teleportation" that you mentioned in your first post to transport humans is not going to happen. It's not really teleporting anything. For it to work you need two entangled objects, which, because of how entanglement works, would have to start at the same location. Then one of them has to travel to your destination, which completely defeats the point of teleportation. To make it work you'd need to entangle two humans, which poses all sorts of problems. And then get one of them to your destination, and if you're traveling vast distances the only way to do it in a timely manner would be to teleport him/her, and if you can do that the quatum entanglement is unnecissary. And even if you somehow managed to get it to work, you'd end up with two copies of the original person, which poses all sorts of other problems.
Also, you'll notice I never said (here or in my first post) that human teleportation is impossible, or that it is impossible with quatum mechanics. I said it was pretty much impossible with quatum entanglement. Teleportation maybe possible, although probably unlikely. All the most likely theories of doing so have tons of problems. The spead of light being the major one. Using alternate dimensions only works if there actually are alternate dimensions and it's possible to travel between them (which current theories suggest is impossible). Not to say the current theories can't be wrong, but they're right enough to be unlikely. Yeah, String Theory suggests 11 dimensions (or 9, or 13, or some other number, depending on which version of String Theory you're talking about) but any of the String Theories are damn close to impossible to prove.
Wormholes are the "simplest" solution for teleportation, but still has tons of problems. Making sure they exist being the most important one to figure out. And if they do exist, you'd have to figure out how to make them yourself, make it stable, make it safe to pass through, and assuming you can do all that, you also have to make sure it takes you where you want, to the time you want.
Now that I have the context for you quote from Einstein it makes much more sense. But, as far as I can tell, that is him describing his idea of Time being the 4th dimension. I do not see how he is saying it is possible "to travel anywhere in space in an instant."
Eh, not really. Odds are, it's possible somehow. Probability favors possibility.
Yes, I understand that. I obviously implied that a different approach would be necessary for teleportation. I was only mentioning that example because it proves a good first step for that achievement. Technology is advancing at such a rapid pace that we can't predict what capabilities we will have in the future, but we know they will be far beyond our capabilities right now.
It's assumed that nothing can travel past the speed of light, however that is false. Scientists just know that past the speed of light, particles start acting in strange ways that can't yet be explained.
They are the simplest solution right now, because they are so mysterious and we have no other strategy. If you've read Death By Black Hole, by Neil Degrasse Tyson, you would know there are many problems with this approach. A black hole would infinitely stretch every particle which comes near it, making it impossible to travel through. Also, you're assuming it is a portal, which is may be, but not likely one to another point in our own universe. It is more likely that our universe exists inside a wormhole, this theory would better explain physics and relativity.
I'm sure that teleportation will exist at some point in the future. Whether it's one hundred years from now, or one thousand. Either way, our technology will be so advanced that computers will be able to reach into alternate dimensions, and we may be a completely different species by then. We've discovering new things every day, and we still know very very little about our own planet, not to mention the entire universe.
Traveling some distance while the idea of time doesn't apply would be instantaneous. Time is not a dimension, it is only an idea our species made up to explain the world around us. The 4th dimension is that which is at right angles to every point in the 3rd dimension, extended out into space. It cannot be very well explained, however, a camera has been invented to take a picture of it. The problem is, it doesn't make sense to anyone except physicists who have been studying it for a long time.
I hope I'm not coming across as close-minded or ignorant. I tend to take one side of a scientific argument, so we may both learn more from each other.
There are some really long and technical and well thought out answers here, well done.
My answer is.... It's all bollocks ... metaphorically speaking
I believe that because of the fact that we have not proven, found, gotten close to anything as far as alien lifeforms during Man's intelligent years, it's almost......almost... absolute proof of the existence of the God.
I think its 'all' just out there, to make us think, drive us mad, test us.... or perhaps.. its not there at all.
I tend to believe intelligent life is out their, If some of them have been here and or influenced our evolution I can't say. To cross the distances of space they would certainly have overcome some of our smartest minds. That leads me to think they would not be that friendly to us. But that assumes their thought patterns are much like ours and they choose to let themselves be discovered! Just my thoughts on the subject and parsed from many different sources. If they do come here I hope they are friendly but I tend to believe we would misconstrue their kindness for weakness and try to take advantage of them in our present state of evolution. Hell most people don't get along there neighbors of the same race let alone beings from another world.
I don't buy this idea that humanity is somehow inherently violent. We are a very variable species. The most violent and least violent places on Earth are all populated by the same human species. Compared to other animals, I don't think humans are more or less violent.
Could we possibly get that in writing? I hear Obama has his jet fighter all warmed up and ready to go... J/K
Sir, step away from the straight razor
i figure, since we are not the only form of life on this planet, there is about a zero percent chance we are the only life there is in the Universe.
The Chinese started copying them and now Walmart has them on sale.
I don't like to make statements instead of just giving my opinion but here, you are wrong.
Look at this : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Population_curve.svg
There is a link between demography and war but it is far less significant than the link between agriculture and medecine progress. Even the second world war and 60 millions human dead in 6 years didn't have the slightest impact in the demography ! On the contrary, you can read on wikipedia that just one illness like bubonic plague had a much wider impact :
"The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population, reducing the world population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million in 1400." 25% of the world population died. If wars kill as much people, world war II would have killed 500 millions people (25% of the 2,3 billions people in 1940). Same result for te flu pandemic of 1918.
War is, at best, the less evil solution in a desesperate case but it is, and it will always remain, a terrible and stupid waste of ressources and human lives.
Why is it important ? Because war is a human choice, not a biological need carved in our genes. It is our responsability, as the human kind, to admit it and make progress.
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