THAT NIGHT…I went home and did a little research.
I researched the school and district policies on “threats.”
Not surprisingly, there wasn’t anything about threatening the President of the U.S. However, there were some criteria for what constituted a viable “threat” made by a student while on campus. This situation did not meet any of that criteria. Not a single iota. In fact, the policy goes out of its way to say words have to be weighed with intent, opportunity, etc. (Like one kid threatening another at school, there is opportunity maybe or maybe not intent (administrative discretion is used here)…there was checklist and this situation didn’t merit a single item.
We talked with our son, who once again assured us this was crazy because NO ONE THREATENED THE PRESIDENT, and asked him if he knew it was a felony to threaten the president. (Sex, peer pressure, drugs, accountability, and all the things teens deal with these days….somehow or another not threatening the president of the US wasn’t in our top ten primary concerns….especially since H doesn’t have the habit of ever threatening ANYONE…why would we think his first one would be toward the president?)
H reminded us about the movie that came out a few years ago showing George Bush being assassinated. He reminded us we had this conversation then..that it was a felony to threaten the president. So yeah, we covered it…so could we please not do it again? haha
My husband called the police officer that night and had him email the report to us…it says essentially that there was an accusation the threat was made, but his investigation shows only he said, she said, with everyone either pointing fingers or saying it didn’t happen at all.
We chalked it up to middle school drama, administrative incompetency and go on.
THE NEXT DAY….
I was in the grocery store when my cell phone rang.
VP: “Ms Tova, this is Mr A from the middle school. I wanted to call and tell you the Secret Service will be here within the hour to speak with Hunter.”
Me: “You have GOT to be kidding me?"
VP: ~righteous~ “No I am not.”
Me: “I can’t be there within the hour.”
VP: “If you can’t be here, myself or another could sit in as H’s representative, in your place.”
Me: ~laughs~ “Isn’t that above your pay grade?”
Silence.
Me: “If you’re calling to ask….I do NOT give permission for the Secret Service to speak to my child without myself or my husband present. Are we clear?”
VP: “Yes.”
I hung up. Called my husband. He went to the school and sat in on the meeting. He said the SS agent seemed annoyed at the waste of time, but he was professional anyway. The SS agent never asked H if he threatened the president, instead he asked things like…do you own a gun, ever shot a gun, ever killed anything? (Even though the original statement said there was a threat made involving the president and a grenade.)
(As a side note…my oldest is a pacifist in everything…. but especially doesn’t hunt…thank goodness these questions weren’t directed toward my 6 year old…who LOVES to hunt and skin his own game. hahaha No access to grenades tho…sorry..)
Now here is where it gets interesting.
Though the boys were pretty much vindicated through the interview process (no one threatened the president)….their names are now on a list kept by the Dept. of Homeland Security.
They didn’t go to trial. Weren’t convicted of anything, were essentially exonerated in the end of even making the threat, the “incident” is still on record.
The SS agent told my husband there is no statue of limitation on the list, and YES it could effect any future security clearance my son might wish to obtain for employment purposes. As well as any area in which Homeland security is involved. And God forbid if someone ever makes another bad joke involving the president in his vicinity….and really how likely is that with teenage boys? They’re all so wise and circumspect in their speech.
So essentially if I LIE and say I heard YOU threaten the President, and then I call the cops or Homeland security, EVEN IF YOU PROVE I’M LYING…the incident is recorded. Your name is on a list to be flagged in the future for anything that has to do with security, passports, etc. Since this list doesn’t fall under criminal/civil law…its just a “list” and therefore “no due process is required.” (And in some states, like Ohio, by law, the “incident” has to be given to the attorney general…(ya know in case he/she decides there is a case here after all and wants to prosecute it).
How ludicrous is that?
Now imagine if someone does this to one of your kids? And that someone is supposed to be a child advocate, someone who is in a profession dedicated to educating and shaping children?
Does it seem reasonable that the VP’s choices, every step of the way, were made in ways that could produce the most harm to the kids involved?
It’s been two weeks, and I’m still flabbergasted by it all.
Oh my gosh Tova. I just got back from Maine/NH or I would have written sooner! I can just imagine what you went thru with this. Right now we are in the middle of something involving the Chief of Police and our church back home that is nothing more than a vendetta. Our elders and Assoc Pastor were arrested!!! All very Godly men. The lawyers are all over this calling it a "slam dunk" Call me and I'll give you details...way way too much to write here.
My dad was just saying about this that anyone can make a "claim" and you can be arrested or questioned making your life miserable. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing this.
When David was in middle school, he drew a picture of the Titanic with a bomb on it after the teacher asked them to draw a picture of how the Titanic may have gone down.
Well that caused a stir with the teacher and she called me. She basically said she was "supposed" to go to the principal to report this (using a bomb in a picture is a no-no) even though he drew it with crayon!
She said she knew he had good parents and that we would "take care of this." I said "take care of what? What did he do wrong?"
Well I guess drawing a picture of a bomb is all it takes to unsettle people nowadays. I wanted to laugh but she was so serious it didn't seem appropriate.
Our world has certainly gone crazy.
I remember how to spell "principal" instead of "principle" because my own principal long ago told us that a principal was a "pal."
I guess those were the good ol' days.
That's really too bad, ya know? Kids today need as many adults on their side as they can get..
I will try and give ya a buzz sometime this week...right now I'm swamped and I know we'll need time to gab.
I just read this little story on CNN - can I just say that I am really glad not to have kids in american schools.. no wonder many consider homeschooling a better alternative.
A 12 year old girl was arrested and handcuffed for doodling on her desk. While I don't think that it should go without somesort of punishment like staying behind and helping the janitor or something like that, scaring the beejezus into a little prepuscent girl like that is the true crime. She was treated like a hardcore criminal offender.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/index.html?hpt=C1
"At schools across the country, police are being asked to step in. In November, a food fight at a middle school in Chicago, Illinois, resulted in the arrests of 25 children, some as young as 11, according to the Chicago Police Department."
Thanks for the link Ut..the above quote is taken from it....
Sad. I'm not sure what we're paying principals for anymore. They don't want to work with kids, they don't want to discipline kids, seems like all they want to do is take kudos when the school performs well, and blame others when it doesn't.
I am just completely dumbfounded by this and can only say "Ditto to TW".
That VP's behavior was criminal, not your kid's. Much as I (mostly) hate lawyers, you should sue the livin' shit out of that guy for what this could do to your son's future.
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