http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/president-obama-good-term-president/story?id=9657337
Obama would rather be a really good one-term president, than a mediocre two-term president.
What do you all thing of that statement?
I, personally, think that if he made a "really good" president in his first term - he would be re-elected for the second by popular vote.
I also think that he simply wants to advance the agenda of 'the powers that be' (that put him in power in the first place) at whatever cost, either to us (the wee people) or to his personal chances of being fairly re-elected for a second term.
Obama is simply a puppet.
(?I guess that is why he can not seem to speak with any fluency without the strings of the teleprompter )
Absent 'high crimes and misdemeanors' (and he hasn't committed any we know of) we're stuck with him for at least one term.
Untrue. Health Care INSURANCE costs around $360 (less with higher deductibles) for a family of 5 (I know I priced it). health care itself costs what you can pay. If you dont have any money (or very little), that is what you pay. Health Care in America (not health INSURANCE) is a guarantee for everyone, including illegal aliens.
You have a way of cutting through the crap to get to the core of the issue. Coarse, anti-PC, and 100% accurate.
50%+1 of the house to impeach. 67% of the senate to convict. But the rub is that there has to be a law that was broken, not just because they do not like him.
This thread is so full of Joe Users it's absolutely going nowhere. Well pretty much all debates goes like this:
BUSHBUSHBUSH (dems)
HEALTHCARE IS SOCIALISM (reps)
If you don't see the logical fallacy of BO's statement, no explanation is possible.
Some people can't read, or choose not to.
Most peoplen I met said they didn't vote for him because he looked liked he was going to die while in office....I had a red face print on my head from some many face palms during the elections. Which is saying something since I have black skin!
got a picture?
Is he simply a puppet?
How much control does the President personally use? We all love the movies where the President goes "Dahm it! I'm the President of the United States of America and I say what goes!".
Looking at documentries, with Bush he had Cheney and Rumsfield, and a couple of other key players who had strong idealology. I guess they all do, one man (or woman) can't do all the thinking on everything. To how much a puppet they become, I guess only the puppeteers can answer that
Geez there is alot of Obama hate, whats really the big crime he has committed? The "too big to fail" in my opinion is kinda true, in that these businesses are the economic infrustructure of the US, sure you can let them fail but in doing so the recovery will be alot longer because new infrustructure will need to start up, and that takes alot of time.
This is certainly debatable opinion. There is nothing in history that would suggest your opinion is the correct one, however. Failure is a regular feature of a free economy and my opinion is that's a good and healthy thing for society as a whole.
I agree, but do not think Obama knows that. He beleives his own media spin, just as Carter did. And that is his achilees heel.
Haha, well atleast you're a true capitalist of the first hour.
I think Paul Krugman had a good paper on that.
Are you really arguing that human suffering only occurs in free-market economies? When you come up with a better set of principles around which to organize a society, do let us know.
Are you really arguing that the Great Depression was a natural AND good(why do you guys always think natural=good) process in the economy?
Paul Krugman? Ex CFO of Enron, that Paul Krugman? He has nothing good, especially anything intelligent.
Obama has not changed a thing it was not a land slide popular vote victory it was close, liberals still are the ones who are more agressive if you say you dont agree with them. the policitcal climate is just as polarized as it ever was. look at the votes in congress they come down to democrat vs republican almost down party lines, thats means there is no change.
The Great Depression wasn't a good and natural thing, it was a bunch of people being stupid with bad things happening to them as a direct result. You don't reward idiocy with a pat on the head and a government check (lol, welfare) because they idiots. Social darwinism people: the only way to encourage strength is to discourage weakness. You cannot bring prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than your income.
You cannot further brotherhood of men by inciting class hatred.
You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
Well said, Splitshadow.
Yeah, that's it.
Splitshadow, If you considerable reasonable taxes to build roads; protect people from crime and hostile nations and their citizens; provide basic welfare services, the majority of which goes to children; provide basic education so people can rise out of their class tiers; and so on as negative and tyrannical aspects of government like some kind of Rand acolyte then I'm more than happy to disagree with you.
I read a shitload of Rand in my late teens and early 20s and could never figure out why no philosophy classes paid ample attention to her. Then I finally read one of her essays in which she cited her own fictional characters' speeches/made up actions when backing up her belief and it all became clear to me.
Greenspan put it well (he knew Rand personally btw) when he saw he'd help steer the economy into an iceberg. He essentially said that operating on the assumption that the wealthy act out of intelligent self-interest was a mistake; there is no John Galt. Not that everyone wealthy is an idiot or sought their position only to plunder and ruin the businesses they head, but clearly government intervention is necessary, aka taxes and other forms of 'theft' you decry.
Also for all the talk of the natural order of the free market there's very little mention of how wholly unnatural one person owning more wealth than thousands of others combined is. I don't dislike rich people or feel entitled to their earnings, but at some point I view the absurdity of their fortunes as fictional at best and it needs to be reined in. Pay your taxes and buy one less yacht. I'm sorry, but if you didn't cure cancer there's virtually nothing you can do that will make me empathize with you if you make over 20 million bucks.
How much is too much?
I read Obama's budget proposal today, and he will put our debt to %59 of the NATIONS GDP!!! That is over half the gross domestic product of the nation owed to debts. That would be bankruptcy for any business.
This "president" will only survive one term (if he survives at all) and the democrats that support him are all ready being replaced in polls and elections (Kennedy ring a bell?)
And Obama knows the nation is getting angry... thats why he said this.
To get back to the OP for a moment; don't you see? Of course he wouldn't be reelected if he were a good president, because we the people are apprently too stupid to know whats good for us. Why else would he and the other liberals keep puishing issues that most Americans are against? Health care was all they wanted until MA woke up. Now all of a sudden they realize we need jobs.
Obama already THINKS hes a good president and yet the polls show his dismal approval. He thinks hes doing a great job but we need him to tell us he is.
Ever read 1984, how the gov't would tell the people one thing that was the complete opposite of what they were doing and the people still accepted it?
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