I can see why alot of people have high percentage records. After getting teamed up with new players constantly, now checking people's records in lobbies. I am surprise how stacked (usually the host) the teams are. The pug group coming in many times has no chance to win. A group of 80% tile winners obviously going to roll over whoever's coming in. See alot in patheon games too.
This will become much less of a problem (at least in customs) when GPG implements seeing a players rank in the lobby.
Man, thousand topic about this.
Question: Where does it say its Wrong, or Against the Rules, or Banned Strat to stack?
If u show me, than continue to post about this, otherwise, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
its not wrong in general, but its not right either. its just lame! most of them dont even try to get balanced teams, they just want to get their stats better. lame...
if you have a stacked team with 4 mates at 80% win ratio and 400+ games and you play versus random guys who have not even 50% wins and 50 games in total, than yes, this is wrong! very wrong! if you dont get this, dont post, think about it. if you dont get it now, think harder.
is it that hard to play with balanced teams?! i dont get why people are playing like this. its not a challenge and most probably no fun at all. they just play for their statistics and ladder ranks, though not getting better by doing this and the most important thing: they ruin the experience of the other players. and with this maybe driving many people away from demigod.
if i see those stacked teams, i go out after warning the other guys. its more easy for me, cause i know the names, but for random guys its not that easy.
its just sad and lame of those retards.
if you have your friends who you play with and you play versus equal guys, i wont tell you to not play like this. but noob bashing is lame.
well, there are even more stacked teams, since the patch prevents the host exploiting... people do everything for their stats... sad.
Supposed to be in 1.2 We will see
As someone who only plays once in while and has no friends that play I run into this a lot. I try to ask whenever I join a game if they are premade, but often I get answers like "no, we are just friends who have been playign together a few days". Of course this means they know exactly how to play together and thourouhly trounce any pug that comes by.
I do wonder if it is fun for teams to trounce pugs all the time. I suppose winning is fun but it would be nice for a challenge every once in a while. I think the clan wars should help with this a bit. May also be neat to see an option to randomize teams before a match begins similar to how you can randomize your demigod.
Where did I say its against the rules? Reading is fundamental.
Think about it. A person with hundreds of games of experience with 80% win streak can win 1 on 5 against newbies.
Now there's 5 of that skilled person. Think about it.
Not challenging them for them, but worst off is the new players who get massacred. The demo brought alot of new blood in, but it will also make them quit playing too.
Also why don't you try playing against stacked teams with newbie teamates. Go ahead and try it.
What does stacked teams mean? All players with high win% on the same team?
Course u checked my stats, and you are talking to me.
Some or most, dunno, I will say, a lot of my games have, "Premade" or "PM" on their title. I do, yes, enter games with my PM, but i ALWAYS, ask this: "Hello there, you guys care to face a premade". Some of them agree, some don't.
Whenever I enter a game and I suspect a team is a premade I ask if they are, if they say "yes", I ask if they want to face my premade, they usually accepet the challenge. They usually don't lie about being a Premade, so I really don't belive who say premades are sneaky bastards. You prolly found the exeption to the rule.
There are topics on this forums about "What a Premade Is". Because its hard to point it out... but lets not drag the conversation into what a premade is, there is a especific topico to this.
Why I replyed in such an unpolite way... because I got tired of this topic already. This is like the 100 times, for real, this come to discussion.
GPG does nothing to prevent this "issue". Go ask them to fix something that shouldn't be fixed, and believe me, they want to "fix", they already said that the casual players with no friends are their high priority clients, so, enforce your power.
Course, no every1 play everyday, but those who play 4+ nights a week, should have friends. Not bc I say so, but bc is freaking normal. Whenever I played ppl of my lvl skill (not now, that I think I'm good, but those early noob days) I asked if I could add that guy on my friend list to play again at another time. And have fun playinmg with ppl that I know are good players and person. Why complaing about a person playing a multiplayer game with other ppl they previously know.
This discussion is beyond common sense.
And I tried to play with newbies on my team, thats Why I have a topic "Guide/Test Are you a Noob", so ppl that are bad players know they can't join a more skilled game and expect to not be yeld at.
Sorry for my english, I'm a brazilian player
Answering another question made since my reply. Its not fun to smash unskiled players, there is no challenge, its not fun. If there is ppl doing it, its not wrong, its not lame, its a multiplayer game that ppl play as they like. You may not agree, I may not agree, but there is nothing you or me can do about it. Ask GPG, not say they r lame doing something that is not stated anywhere that is lame to be done.
This is not about permade teams. Its about stack grouped. The main difference is that the team may not know each other, but simply are good players, all on one side. The opponents are usually much inferior in experience/skill. Patch 1.2 hopefully will help the new players understand better.
So it means people joining in to fill in the other group, the chances are will be people who are not as good. Sometimes I notice that a host with good record hosts a game (he may advertise pro only, but not always the case). Usually the host will make an effort (obviously they want to keep their good record) to get good players on their team. They will ask the bad player to move down, or kick him. But they usually don't make the same effort to balance the other team. Not surprisingly you see a good player (because the sign says pro or no noobs) come in the lobby, check out their bad teamates, then leave.
Of course doesn't apply to everyone, but I see this alot. I think its because of the demo, so alot of new players recently, and this is happening more frequently.
Ultimately I think the system should be able to filter players before joining lobby. For example the host can set filter rules saying only players with X number of games played plus winning record can join a lobby. So you don't have people with a 1 and 9 record joining a pro lobby.
My main complaint is hard to join balance groups. I enjoy playing against good players, only if my teamates are good. Obviously an inexperience/bad teamate makes it all but certain for your team to lose.
Yes.
Its like in the school playground, you pick teams for a basketball game. You pick all the tall athletic players. And the guy left on the other team gets all the short slow players.
So guess who's going to win?
LoL
Sorry man, I totally agree with you.
Alt+Tab aint all that good, stats aint all that reliable. Oh well. But you are right Sir, sorry to make a mess on your topic.
This probably sounds like a major rant against the 'pros'. It is. Stop thinking of yourself as the gaming god of all times. I know the title of the game insinuates as much, but it's just a game. Stop masturbating to that ranking # on the ranking page, and actually pursue balanced games, and you will find you can have very fun and competitive games, even with what in your opinion are noobs. /rant out
What does seeing stats change about people who want to stack teams? People will just be able to see that a team is stacked so that isn't going to change the stackee's from stacking. What we need is very simple a TEAM SHUFFLE option (aka random teams). Then if a team is stacked it's due to random luck of the shuffle instead of preemptive. I honestly dont understand why that option hasn't been in since the get go or atleast shortly after they realized PANTHEON and SCIRMISH wasn't working as intended. With that option it would make it 100% more enjoyable for people whom are trying to have fun solo. Also it would be wise to have the "team shuffle" option to show in the server browser so other solo players know what server to join.
Another option imo would be the "team balance shuffle" where instead of randomly shuffling it would try to balance teams via stats. Although this option might not be viable due to the history of people only playing aranged teams vs pubbies and padding there stats. The truth is just because your stats are nice and padded doesn't meen your that great of a player. Having other team mates that you play with regularly and have coms with makes a huge differnce in carrying people whom wouldn't have much of a chance if they played along side avg pubbies. Then the pro epeens will show and they will start to flame everybody else for failing to live up to his/her greatness all the while avg people will chuckle.
Random Teams in 1.2 (as Frogboy mentioned) could help this a lot. A ranked/unranked game setting will help things even more. Stats showing in lobby will help a bit. I show one win. One. And I'm a fairly decent player. So stats are not the end all.
OTOH, I can't wait for all those "sneaky" stacked teams who also Host-Quit to start to facing people of their same rank; people who got their fairly. Karma!
I'd like to see random teams with it able to balance players based stats, because if it is just purely random there are still chances of stacked games. I don't join games that are "Premade" or pro only or anything like that, but still run into my fair share of premades/stacked games. Just last night I had a game where the host got me to move down, another guy came in and we started, and well they co-ordinated together extremely well, where as my team were quite ignorant, and fed the enemy a few times via silly mistakes like chasing one player through 2 enemy players.
I like to play the game but also like to win, and it is a hassle to even try and check everyones stats, I prefer just to play the game. A balanced game makes more fun and challenge, rather then some lame stacked steamroll the statwhores like to play.
If you see that the other team is made up of higher ranked players then you can leave. Simple.
You don't balance teams by sticking a good player with a bad player and pitting him against two decent players, nor do you do double 'pro' + noob against double 'pro' + noob. Adding in a bad player is just adding randomness to the game and since almost no one does doubles they don't even learn all that much from watching you.
The reasonable way to play is to seperate people by skill level and pit them against each other, and let players rise or fall to the appropriate tier. When I started playing I sure as hell didn't join "pro" games like the guys I see day in and day out. I waited until I had some experience under my belt until I started playing with the players who either were or thought they were pros.
Look, noobs need to just get over the fact that they don't belong in pro or expert games. You've gotta start somewhere, show some humility and stop trying to start at the top. Play against like players and get better.
-back on topic-
Basically there's a few problems. The biggest one is that people don't like hosting. People just naturally hate that kind of shit, back when I was living in a barracks I would constantly get free pizza or chinese food if I were the one willing to actually order it. Players who install the game and boot up for the first time are looking to join games, not host them. There needs to be a better way to get those players together.
Second is that most people who form these premades are avoiding the frustration random players often bring, so it's not appealing to then deal with the frustrating lobby system for an extended period of time. I've had very good luck with getting good players to join, but then I'm able to tab out without crashing and browse the web or steal one of my roommate's books for a while. I think many players are stuck just staring at the empty slots while they wait because they're afraid of crashing if they tab out.
Lastly is that easy games still give points. I guarantee you if you didn't get experience off of players who have more than 1k less than you and if you risked losing a ton of experience when fighting those people you'd see a lot less noob stomping.
All this pro and noob talk reminds me of this:
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917993
Your neglecting the fact that is still doesn't change people from stacking thus your reply is deemed pointless imo.
Well you just have to have another "stacked" team join, making them not stacked any more. Also if there is a stacked team that no one will play against then they will either call thier game something else or they will break up the group because no one likes sitting in the lobby all game.
Not true I remember the early days of Diablo and Diablo 2 where Bnet duper kiddies would join non-password protected games and merely spam each other with LOOK AT THIS ITEM stuff in town...without ever once moving outside of town...
I don't think they'll be able to prevent it in Pantheon until a lot more players play it (which maybe would happen if the take off stats from custom games because then the people who want good stats will have to play it).
In custom games it'll always happen unless the game balances teams based on some skill measurement.
100% signed! nothing, but the sad reallity.
As has been stated, a random teams option is the solution to this. I would really like to see this in 1.2 as well. Most games stay at 3/6 of 4/8 or even 5/10 players for much longer than necessary because people are wary of not being on host's team after getting stomped by 1 too many premades. Having "RANDOM TEAMS" or something in the game title would assure whoever joins that the odds aren't stacked against them from the beginning.
I'm sure adding random teams option to custom games would be easier to implement in the short term than team automatching anyway.
Random teams is an option if people want to be fair. But most hosts who have good records prefer stacked teams because it ensures wins, improve their record, vs just have fun. What happens now anyway is they move the player they don't want to the other team, or just kick him to free up room for the player or friend that they want. So random won't fix anything in this case.
There's nothing wrong with stacked teams as long as people coming in can see the skill level/rank of other team. That would discourage people who are not as experience from joining unless they want to get stomped.
There are many great features available to you once you register, including:
Sign in or Create Account
