You don't know me at all. You hate me, you say? Based on a few lines of one post? You are the type of person with screwed up priorities that I'm talking about.

In fact, I know how to play the game, and I'm usually decent at it. I've been playing for almost two months, and I have more wins than losses on my record.

My point is that I had a bad game and someone was an asshole to me. Luckily I have pretty tough skin, but other people don't, and some new players will be turned off by the game.

I have a question about games listed as "noobs only" type games.  I'm an experienced player, and often I want to join one of those games to help noobs if is can; even if it's just me and 3 AIs vs 4 noobs, I'd do it to help.  But do noobs "want" people like me in their games, or do they just want "All Noobs" only?

Today i had the same issue discussed here.

It was a good game but i didn't do so well, and we lost. One of my teammates called me noob, several times.

When i joined another game, he was on the other team, and said victory was easy thanks to me being on the other team.

The battle bagun, pure silence, and out of nowhere, one of his teamamtes said "**** you! shut up i cant play with an a-hole like u!" and he leave. I was amazed, he wanted to win SO badly, and he lost his 2 teammates, the rest is history.

Isn't there a squelch feature in demigod? I'm sure games would go better if you didn't have hear ___holes in the first place.

I doubt new players object to people of higher skill joining and actually trying to help them get better.  What they do object to is people entering a match clearly labeled as "Newbies" or "New Players Only" and then proceeding to complain about their lack of skill.

You can take the Nightmare AI to the cleaners and very little of that translates to the online game.  If more people spent time helping newer players to get better and overcome simple ignorance of the online differences we'd all have a better talent pool to compete against.

Az

im guessing you are the second example, meaning online games arent for you.

besides there is always single player for your enjoyment .

People who put too much priority, or who's egos are too dependant on their ability to game, are the downfall of a lot of gaming communities. I worry about the emphasis the "pros" are putting on the game right now, before it's even full flushed out as a game.

People have different reasons for playing demigod, an overly zealous competitive community with hard line attitudes is no help. Competition has some limited value,  but keeping things in perspective is important, how much is demigod worth in real life, and how much are your condemnations worth in real life may be worth considering. I'm not surprised at your comment about the most sucessful games being very competitve, people put too much weight in being good at video games right now, they have a hip status they don't always deserve, people are sucked in, particularly young people. Too often those attitudes stick.

Doesnt really serve much of a purpose to slander someone doing badly, unless the finaly rage quit. in which case the person was probably a selfish asshole and deserves a couple "friggin noob". One thing that really pisses me off (although I hardly take it out on others) is when im really looking after my teams best interests and some random guy just wanders of and keeps on screwing things up. Either due to a short attention span or just plain clueless, who knows. But its ever so frustrating... and then they rage quit and leave the rest of the team sitting there with an even worse AI.

Otherwise when I see someone on my team doing badly I usually point out constructive critisms. You know basic stuff like, dont chase someone into towers (theres usually another Demigod waiting there and then your toast). Killing someone is okay, but dying is far worse. You need to prioritze. If you kill someone, yey you got gold and xp! But if you die, then screwed your whole team over a bit. If you notice your dying more than actually killing, then your obviously doing something wrong. Hang around one of the better players and learn a few tricks.

Its the group of people that plays the game casually but takes it seriously enough to consistantly whine about balance problems despite their having no experience of playing at a high level and therefore basing their claims on half-truths. They deserve to be derided because they're a pain in the ass.

I don't know how you'd go about nerfing a term anyway.

How about just nixing the term. And claiming that your pro community knows the "truth" about demigod seems pretty far fetched. For people who've been playing for three months, you seem to feel like you've got it all on the ball, When I, at least, don't even feel like the game is finished. Besides which, people want a game that is balanced, if they're playing a game with one outcome, they're not going to feel like it's much of a game. Not everyone is a pro, nor does everyone necessarily want to be, and they shouldn't have to be to play a balanced game. The "pros" are not the entirety of the community.

Has there even been a pro competition yet? I know there's an ESL league, but has there even been a contest?

Well, that sort of nullifies people's claims to be pros. Unpaid, and overzealous doesn't equal a professional.

The idea that the game isn't balanced for some does have foundation. There have been plenty of thoughtful threads to that very idea, you just dismiss it because the smaller community you've taken up with has rationalized the contrary, and it doesn't serve your purposes, so the work isn't something you feel like needs to be done. I don't believe it's simply who's the better player, not yet, just looking at the vague stats in games I've played shows me something to the contrary, that's colloquial evidence, but we don't have particularly good data to look at anyway. The stats for pantheon lack a lot of particulars that would help. 

And so, if you indeed have proof that the game is balanced, for all players at any level...I want to see it. Provide it and put the issue to bed if you've got that proof.