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He should have been impeached on his first day in office.
Seriously, people: get in touch with reality. It would do you a world of good. I'm not even going to try to correct any of this: the only people who would believe it do not care about facts anyway.
all presidents are the same, they dont fix anything.
you, my good man, have more wisdom than people might think...
That still doesn't change the fact that he and his economic experts have done just about everything wrong to try and fix the economy. Anyways, it wouldn't of mattered which president we had. McCain or Obama both would've done the same thing. Two people and two partys dangling from the same hand.
/tinfoil hat?
Political debate usually isn't about trying to convince the other person, it's about convincing everyone else that's listening in. If he has this list, and you say "It's wrong, but I won't bother saying why it's wrong", then where does that leave you in the eyes of everyone else?
Since liberal tard wont correct it, right winger crazy will.
Wrong. Fucktard congress, of which he happened to be a member of at the time, and Bush, may he rot for it, put the bail outs through. Obama was largely irrelevant to this as one of 465 legislators. The bankruptcy on the other hand, now that's a reason to hate the dumb fuck. The company is screwed in perpetuity, since all they did was wipe out the debt holders while leaving the unsustainable liabilities in place. The factually accurate version of this is a prime example of why actual right wingers come unglued when dumb fuck liberal idiots start calling Bush a conservative.
Sorry, this one is rather accurate. His current spending track will add more, in just the next four years, than every bit of deficit spending ever done, combined. This is without adding on healthcare, the green energy bill, or any other pet projects he wants to put through, just the budget for the year, with it's long term outlays.
Video tape!
I know, it's hard to get this one. What with his blasting McStupid(his name was officially changed by me when he suspended his campaign to go rescue us from congress by making sure they fucked us over) for having the very same idea, it just doesn't make sense when people say he's pushing for it. Yes, he really is trying to help pay for Obama-Care by taxing benefits. Oh right, except for union members.
It's too bad he's not italian, the whole mafia style presidency would be awesome then!
Maybe. I say maybe because the guy is as dumb as a fucking rock. He might just be too fucking stupid to realize what you get when you put subsidized insurance in competition with private insurance. The answer, for those of us that can do simple addition, is zero private insurance. At which point Uncle Fuck-me-in-the-Ass Sam is running the entire show. So he's getting it, but perhaps he's not getting it intentionally.
Along with every other method of controlling illegal immigration. This one wasn't questionable was it? It's standard practice for democrats in general, along with half the republicans.
Perhaps unfair, but accurate. It's his federal prosecutors that ran that case off for no reason. You could say that he's supposed to remain detached from the process, but they can be summarily dismissed, without cause. People that investigate his friends get removed from their offices.
It's his attorney general. A president is responsible for the policies of his own cabinet. This is a great big duh, right?
Ok, moron alert on this one. Could we get over the retarded shit already? The reality of a dumb fuck fascist from hell that needs a teleprompter to use the restroom needs no stupid conspiracy theories. We have real ones, like ACORN. He was born in Hawaii, shit tards, get over it. Any child five years of age or under, adopted by an Indonisian, is automatically granted Indonesian citizenship. There's no mystery here, he may or may not have dual citizenship, which doesn't matter.
Exaggeration for comedic impact, good. Exaggeration because you're an idiot, bad. 40% is not 100%. It will drive up your electric bill 40% if you're currently powered by coal. It will also wipe out the livestock industry, decreasing food production in the country by 20% easily, shifting a massive amount of beef production to other countries with lax standards on animal treatment. Basically, we're fucked, but there isn't going to be a 100% increase in the electrical bill.
All done. Perhaps you could pay attention to reality just a little before voting for the guy in 2012? Four years we can probably take, it's going to hurt like hell, but we've survived 20% unemployment and inflation before. The guy's a fucking nightmare, regardless of his lack of culpability in various moron statements by the thread starter.
/ignore political flame thread.
well i ignored it a bit
wasn't there a rule in this forum that said no political debates? not sure, but just wondering, it's a common rule among forums
Guys, feel free to post your opinion but keep it cival. No name calling, no flaming. Feel free to correct me on any of these points if you find them incorrect as I am just writing them from memory.
THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A POLITICAL FLAME THREAD! IF YOUR JUST GONNA SHOUT AT ME OR OTHERS WITHOUT MAKING A CIVAL ARGUMENT THEN GET OUT!
civil civil civil civil
Seriously dude, you typed "cival" at least three times now.
5. wants total control of your health care
What I don't understand is how other countries can afford socialized medicine and we can't, and why people feel their own health care is superior when it doesn't seem like it by the standards I've seen... That being said, are those averages skewed by the average health care in America, in other words is the rating of the people with health care brought down by those without, is the average insured American better off than the average Dutch person? I'm skeptical.
I dunno man, it just sounds like scare mongering to me. Health care works fine in more countries other than America.
I really hope the Republican party can get its shit together within the next four years and actually produce some solutions, because currently while I don't like a fair amount of the things Obama is and is not doing, I couldn't imagine McCain/Palin having done a better job so far.
Just like to point out that it wasn't entirely his fault - ole George Dubyah didn't exactly leave it in a nice position.
How is it being created?
Why is it being created?
What are we getting in return?
To whom is it owed?
Just generally why is it so bad when the US has had debt since its inception?
I know the answers to some of those questions and they do look bad on Obama, but most people who complain about the debt only care about it when it's not their guy in office. It's a topic worthy of discussion that's been reduced to a one-liner, a bullet point on a shitty top ten list whose creator is insane (see number 9).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
check it out, it may not be true, but it is very interesting.
Anagram. If you rearrange the letters of Barack Hussein Obama, you get:
A Cabana Hubris Smoke
and that's all you need to know.
Well your name is I web lili, so clearly you can't be trusted.
The only place I can find where health care actually works is Finland. They're a few million people sitting on one of the largest oil reserves in the world. They're filthy stinking rich. When they run out, they're fucked. Trying to do the same while not sitting on enough money to give everyone their own penthouse sweet with harem included, not to mention with 20 times the population, is crazy.
If you want to explain all the health statistics, it's very simple. The infant mortality rate is through the roof here because we're a bunch of fat, lazy fuckers that drink to much and do too many drugs while we're pregnant, at 40 years old. Prime baby making age is in the late teens, early twenties. You're not supposed to wait till you retire to stop using a rubber. The Europeans walk most places, and treat alcohol like food, instead of liquid fun.
As to your blissful coverage, I feel for you. Well, you when you get old anyway. Got an irregular heart beat? No problem! It's completely harmless, I swear! Oh, what? You're having a heart attack? Odd...
We went through this shit with my granddad. He was convinced they actually knew what they were doing, even after they weakened his legs by not taking him off a muscle deteriorating drug when the side effects kicked in. When we finally got him to go to another hospital for his irregular heartbeat, he ended up with an emergency surgery after they took one look at his arteries, his supposedly fine arteries. Quintuple bypass for the win. He went and had a heart attack on the way in too. The VA sucks at actually telling you that you're about to die because you have an easily treatable problem they've ignored for four years.
McStupid is just another progressive putz, a slower disaster than our current asshole in chief, but still terrible. Palin, maybe. Either she's a fake, an idiot, or actually not a politician. The main problem is those shit tard republicans flushed themselves down the toilet with the bailouts. We wouldn't be staring at a sixty seat super majority in the senate if those ass wipes had a clue. Maybe this asshat will get is another Reagan.
Edit: The hosed quotes can blow me...
The billion dollar bailouts for car companies and financial companies were handled so poorly. There was virtually no rules, regulations, longterm planning or checks&balances for how the money was to be spent which resulted in the greatest loss of taxpayer money. It's unfortunate but the vast majority of Congress lacks an understanding of business finances and an understanding of the average american life... thus when they make mistakes on $50 billion tax dollars they feel as terrible as when the average american misses throwing a dart during happy hour. Seriously the majority of Congress does not have their lives affected for mistakes which harm the nation because their income, healthcare and career allow them to sit comfortably in upper class.
Probably the most extreme worst decision will be the universal healthcare:
1) This will cause much longer waiting periods when going to the hospital... and most major cities already have a long waiting time. Other governments from countries have encountered this problem.
2) Universal healthcare also opens the door to all the drug addicts who would now get free insurance allowing them to fake pains at the hospital so they can receive a fix of free drugs. At least today they need to provide their own insurance before abusing this option. I know my hospital tried to give me Morphine after my last kidney stone, but I declined since I was feeling fine.
3) The government has a proven history of problems spending our taxes and thus does not qualify for taking new responsibilities... which include major responsibilities such as nationwide healthcare. To blindly believe a huge government with many problems can run healthcare is like not buckling your seatbelt as a passenger when the driver is heavily drunk and speeding... it's like asking for a trouble. One day maybe nationwide healthcare... today or next year= NO we don't need a mistake on something this big.
4) Universal healthcare increases the reasons for illegal aliens who are pregnant entering the country. Not only will the child receive free citizenship, but now we'll pay for all the medical costs for its entire life. Yes, a cost which will come out of the pockets of hardworking americans. In fact the hardworking americans will be paying the medical costs for all individuals who choose to remain unemployed(lazy), paying medical costs for all those unemployed individuals who will never break their drug addictions, etc., etc., . While some worthy individuals who are less fortunate need medical care it's unwise to open the flood gates of unlimited medical care for everyone which will bring an unknown cost to all the hardworking individuals.
You guys don't really understand what Obama is doing with healthcare. His plan is to offer a government alternative to private health insurers. The individual still has to pay for aid, but at a reduced cost. While this adds beaurocracy to the system, it is in practice little different from private sector's alternative beaurocracy. The end goal of this, however, is to give every American citizen access to health insurance.
When considering healthcare guys I ask you? How can we spend nearly 40% of national budget on defense and not spare any for social problems like it. America is its people, and in America it's people should come first.
It's called math. When you provide a cheaper alternative, you wipe out the private insurers. If they weren't spending 60% of the budget on crap they don't have any business doing, there would be plenty of money to reimburse the hospitals with and not having insurance wouldn't bloody matter.
Oh wait, they already do that anyway...
QFT. when will humans learn?
25. Obama has great hair.
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