Hey thought a general guide to winning would be a fun read, i'll try to keep it short. Just Do's and Don'ts, basic rules and tips. Enjoy
Feel free to critic, flame, whatever you feel like. I'll be adding your (helpful) ideas!
A few basic rules
1) Not dying>Killing
2) Armor>Damage
3) No ragequitting, 0-9 overkill is acceptable though.
4) Know your starter items
5) Invest in the Citadel
Citadel Do's and Don'ts:
Do buy Currency 1(only)
Do buy Tower regen 1
Do buy Treb's(only on Prison/Leviathan)
Do not buy priests til war rank 8.
Do not buy Finger of God
Do not buy Xp/Graveyard time
Strategic Rules
(Conquest Specific)
1) Leveling>Pressuring
2) Pushing one lane is better then controlling 2
3) Holding flags will win you the game.
4) Conquest is Conquest, not Slaughter
5) Conquest IS Dominate
Essentials
1) Health Pots
2) Teleport Scrolls
3) Flag locks
4) Totem of Revelation
5) Armor pieces
Nonessentials
1) Heart of Life
2) Damage gear
3) Universal Gadgets
4) Wand of Speed
5) Artifacts in general
6) Orb of Defiance
I'll probly add more later, til then
Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TK99SGRTlA
-Foreshadowed
Added Teleport Scroll to the Essentials List
I actually think the first XP upgrade is not a bad investment, because of how early you get it. Because there are 'strong' points in the game (level 7 and 10 generally) where you are significantly more effective, it is worth it to get there a minute before the opponents, and get the benefits longer.
Also agree on HP/armor over offense in most cases. 1v1 it doesn't seem like much of a difference, in theory. 3v3 however, the guy with 1800 HP at level 5 gets hammered by all three teammates, and his 'extra' damage is cut short pretty quick. Whereas the team of 3000 Pounders may not quite dish it out as much... but focus firing on someone still takes them down pretty quick.
very good OP.
its a shame that half the things in the game are not even used because they are pretty useless.
Not sure what you mean by nonessential, some of those items win the game just fine on games I play (generally cataract prison and leviathan).
General comments are more or less spot on though. Armor/Hp is pretty damn important esp. vs. organized opponents. Although, pushing 1 lane as opposed to holding multiple seems to contradict with holding flags. But maybe you were subtly suggesting that the flow of the game was fluid and you should play each game as the situation seemed fit .
I'd put Scroll of Teleportation at the top of my essentials list. So many uses for this, offensively and defensively.
On bigger maps, yes
On smaller maps, no
For Rook, yes
This guide isnt specific to a certain map or demigod making it a nonessential.
There are definetly essentials and nonessentials, whether they win the game or not doesn't make them essentials(HoL,Wand of Speed, Damage gear)
Holding flags and pushing a lane are two different things.
Anything anyone thinks I should add to the list, please tell me!
agreed.
One huge exception here, if you can kill the other guy and just live until his death animation finishes, he gets nothing, so there's definitely times when it's worth it.
How about premade teams?
Internet connection?
There are times when exp citadel upgrade is good. Usually the more player and bigger map, the better. In fact, anything aside structure HP and currency 1 is dependant on map and time. Even finger of god came in handy from time to time in map like exile in late game.
Lets face it, people are always going to use the top items of gear. They can take all the items nobody uses and upgrade them, all that will happen is that people will recalculate the best items and whatever turns out to be the new "uber gear" will be solely used. All a large variety does is let the people who've done the research have a slight edge and give the odd player who works out a really "left field" tactic a way to surprise a few enemies.
Fortress Trebuchets are also useful on Crucible, if neither team has pushed the enemy's middle towers yet due to well balanced teams. The two trebuchets there will absolutely mince the enemy defensive position.
want a guide to win? go sedna. choose yeti as starter skill, buy priest rank1, sell priest rank1, buy siege rank1, sell siege rank1, buy minotaur rank1, sell minotaur rank 1. as soon as your first kill buy and sell all 2nd ranks.. and you still have spare money. gg all generals are op except sedna has a little touch extra cause of yeti.. bambam
oh and if you want demo of me and my mate gettting totally raped by this lame tactic.. pm me
yes thats impressive you win with the minion abuse! kudos for that.
nope, still not worth it, killing<not dying always applies
The guide isnt specific to 4v4, 5v5, or for maps like mandala, I'll probly add some Do's and Don'ts for bigger games but until then this guide is centered around 3v3
this is pretty pathetic, just kill the minions.
eh I dont totally agree with this and some of the generalizations are off imo.
i give it a B-
you keep stressing armor pieces but I think you should be saying +health items. health items are obviously more important I think you mis spoke.
your essential and non essential part is pure speculation and depends what situation are in. Ie. A wand of speed on a regulus will keep you a live where a health potion might not.
It would probably be better if you put "Items that can be very important". Then listed both along with things like teleport scrolls.
also I would reccomend building damage upgrade as being right up there with building health.
You have a vid of you getting owned by someone else? It MUST be the best way to win.
Yetis are tragically crap, they're not even effective against the AI. Your "strategy" despite being an exploit is also ineffective against anyone with a brain. You're also not going to get a kill with minons since they can't do nuke damage.
Armor pieces are Health pieces.... thought that was pretty clear
No, a wand of speed is a nonessential, while HP pots are. You don't seem to understand the difference,
After I beat you in 5 or 6 games last night I understand why you're trying to rewrite my guide with your fail logic
ps, you arent allowed to rate my guide when youre a shit player
lol damn I must have really hurt your feelings over something. When I curb stomp someone in game I dont talk sht though so you shouldnt be mad at me.
My conclusion is you are delusional or a schizo either way you are obviously are not grounded in reality which shows in your posts. tone it down a notch chief.
ill try to respond to each of your points none the less though.
1.)yes I played a lot of games yesterday, in fact thats all I did was play on the computer. I dont see how you beat me in 5-6 games though because out of the 15+ games I played I only lost 3 times, which were probably due to a rage quitter but I dont remember to tell the truth. So I'm guessing you are just mad you got stomped.. like I said relax its just a game your short comings here are not important.
2.) The only game stats that are accurate that I bother with are ladder matches. Whenever someone drops on my team I stick around usually if someone drops on other team I quit because I like a challenge. Consquently im currently 4-1 in ladder matches while you are 10-7 but whtever.. again online rankings mean nothing.
3.)
while I just explained to you what was wrong with your statement about these items you responded with this gem. You couldnt even come up with a reason, I fail to see what "logic" you are using here and how I am using "bad logic".
4.)
no, the points was that it wasnt pretty clear especially to noobs who this guide should be aimed at. seeing as there are items in this game that give only armor aka armor pieces and there are items in this game like narmoths ring that give only health.
please do us both a favor and dont respond unless you are able to cut down on your emotional anger first. thnx
psst, made-up games don't count
He has a point when it comes to health potions vs wand of speed. Health potions are no more a necessity than a wand of speed, unless your guide is demigod-specific. WoS should be bought 100% of the time for most demigod playstyles, same as potions.
Also, ad hominems are bad style.
Edit: Beaten to the punch on the imaginary games.
It's because he has 0 wins against you.
straw man arguements, spinning shit so you look logical, youre doing it wrong lulz
"Wand of speed is blah blah blah" speed items arent essentials making wand of speed a non essential,
Essentials are items that all demigods should have on all maps, tower rook doesnt need wand of speed. does he?
"My conclusion is you are delusional or a schizo either way you are obviously are not grounded in reality which shows in your posts. tone it down a notch chief."
Umm..sure? Did you actually read my reply? Cursing doesnt equate to anger,(it's really just bait cus I knew a fucktard like you would want to feed me nom nom nom).
im sure your rage post (tl;dr) made you feel good, problem is you lost every game I faced you,
The guide welcomes flaming and critics, not your armchair psychology ramblings so get lost.
And yes, you lost every game I played you
PRO TIP: You can't troll a troll.
Foreshadowed
wtf so nothing I say has any bearings cuz you are a professional troll??
ok you are obviously a well adjusted kid.
im out of here
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