So, I just got through completely getting raped by Erebus from square one. It was dominate on Prison map. No matter what I did he would kill me no matter what. I was Rook so I was slow and could not get away from him. And then he of course had bite spam going on and I couldn't touch him. He beat me in around 10 minutes tops having already pushed into my base and taken a portal flag, which is about where I decided to leave the already decided winner of the game. how can I defeat Erebus? It was a 1 on 1 btw. ANd I did try to use flag locks but of course Erebus is also very good at map travelling extremely fast. Im kind of at a loss here.
As rook it might be kinda hard as he is so slow, i have no problem beating him with most other chars though, despite bite spamming. This is because the bite is his only burst damage skilll, and his club does very bad damage, so any char with high burst damage, played right, will own him. It helps alot to invest in speed items also, so you can chase him down when low.
As rook what i do usually is cap some flags, then tower-defend them, i rarely advance at this stage, only guard the flags with towers and invest in the turrets(arrow->lightning->catapult), lumbering about getting exp and kills slowly while protecting. Your head catapult will slowly pound his base from afar for no mana cost and safe distance (longest range in game beside regulus snipe). Eventually, since you have the most flags, your warscore will be quite abit higher than erebus, at this stage invest in your citadel, get catapultasaurs and maybe giants. Erebus have serious problems with these mobs as he have no AOE skill really beside mist, which is not so effective at killing giants with.
Another strategy you might consider is simply going all-out hammerslam and boulder roll, with speed boots and wand of speed to chase him around. dont ever skip the turret line of skills though as rook, arrows and the head catapult does huge damage over time even if you are some distance away.
I honestly dont think there is a way of defeating Erebus 1 vs 1 mid to late game unless your actually playing Erebus yourself.And if the Erebus is itemized to hell and beyond, forget about it!.You could probably gank up on a Erebus with your team, but iv seen a lvl 16 Erebus take on two DG befor and still come out with 50% health.
Thats just my expirence with the Erebus's out there.
Im sure someone will pop by here and give a fully detailed way to kill him!. Tho atm i just dont see how (maby UB can?) =/
Erebus isn't that hard, play sedna as sedna you can murder erebus. or you can play oak to murder him.. or pretty much anyone.
As oak you can sheild at the right moment and cancel out his bite, that hurts him quite a bit. Any ability or item that steals mana is good too.
Rank 3 mines, and mark of betrayer work decently ( make sure your faster then him though)
High hp regen sedna.. ect
The invuln for 5 second thing.. though i dont think its worth the money
Neo I just lost to another Erebus player, but I didn't do as bad that time and I do do what you just said you do but the only problem I guess I could work on is controlling the flag better and then just concentrate on getting mobs later for him to chew on.
I think you're somewhat screwed as Rook in 1v1. Rook is really vulnerable until he reaches level 4 and can make a proper tower farm, and while he's slowly lumber around he's easy prey to a fast hero like Erebus which can snag flags and whittle away his health. In 1v1, I always play with a general. The assassins just don't seem well suited to controlling the entire battlefield like a general can, which is what you need in 1v1.
Tower Rook is not a good counter to Erebus. Erebus can ignore the towers mostly, using your health to keep his own health up and then just warp out of the towers once you are dead. As rook, hammer smash is the way to go. It is still hard as hell to kill an Erebus until level 10 (when boulder roll becomes 2 seconds long) but you can certainly do it at that point.
I don't agree with the 'don't ever skip the turret line of skills' comment. Rook is great without towers as long as favor items are enabled and you can pick up swift anklet.
The only problem Darvin is that I don't play custom games where I can switch my hero before the game starts. I play Skirmish matches so you don't know who your facing till your in the game.
As some one who plays erebus almost exclusively, I can say a tower build Rook offers more oposition than any othe class in the game, so long as he buys the right gear.
The trick to beating erebus as ANY class, is stacking armor. 90% of erebus' damage comes from physical means, so it's pritty easy to get 45%+ damage mitigation and he's effectively not hurting you at all. At that point just ignore him, don't even bother trying to kill him, just go for the objective and let your minions, (or in the case of rook, towers) finish him off.
Umm...90% of erebus's damage comes from bite. He hardly does any melee damage.
Except for the fact that bite has a major armor debuff and any smart Erebus recognizes this and consequently tries to buff his autoattacki.
erebus is a tank and one of the best demigod "assassins". I was lvl 20 with 2 artifacts and good gear on Regulus and Erebus 2vs1ed me and another demigod easily next to all my towers with a full mob of giants and monsters helping.
Which got me to researching what makes erebus so strong.
O btw its possible that in a 1vs1 duel on prison map you may always lose I dont know.
Anyways Erebus has very health regen. If you couple this with armor you exponentially increase its power. Which is probably what he was doing. Next he hits very hard, is able to destroy your movement speed and armor, can escape situations fast with teleport, and life drains.
So yes 1vs1 he can be impossible.
I also know that spells ignore armor, there are certain items that negate health regen and that he has no skill that effeciently and effectively lets him kill multiple monsters at once. As such if you stay very cautious arround him early on you can kill monsters faster than him and thus level up faster.
Its easy to take down erebus, rank 3 mines + mark of the betrayer+ boulder roll+ hammer slam+snipe.
Jesus Christ! Can we make like a pinned post or something on how to kill Erebus? I must've posted in like at least 5 different threads last week on ways to deal with Erebus, especially those players who are Rook.
I'm trying to be constructive in saying that your thread really doesn't help either.
Some things I've read the past week.....
"He keeps biting me! How do I stop that?!?!"
No shit he is biting you, every single Erebus player will. Only thing I can say is control the Celerity flag so it's every 7 seconds instead of every 5.
"I was slow, I couldn't get away from him"
Get +speed gear. enough said.
"He just ignores my towers!"
No shit. Why spend 15 wacks on a tower when I could get a lot more accomplished by chasing you down and trying to kill you.
It's gotta be more detailed or more specific. Otherwise too much can be left to assumption. Maybe he was just a better player. Maybe you suck. Maybe he was spending his gold on artifacts while you were spending on citadel or potions or something. Maybe he had more favor points, who knows.
A better post would be something like:
"Every time I try to get a tower farm started, Erebus comes up and harasses me. I have troubling outlasting him even with my towers there, so I run away. But he's faster than me, so I can't get away! Any ideas on how I can get a good tower farm started against him and how to deal with him once he comes up and starts harassing me?"
Otherwise, it starts to sound like:
"Hey, this player played well and beat me! What gives?! How do I beat him?"
get hammer slam already , all this towerfarming doodle , ofc towerfarms are good , but dont rely on only that , boulderslam/hammer after the initial bite will give you a huge advantage , shoulderupgrades and towers will take care of the rest
As rook, I go something along the lines of:
raise tower, arrows, save the point, save the point, boulder roll, light shoulder tower, god strength, then mostly maxing stats and light tower, taking trebuchet and any/all levels of god strength asap.
If it goes that long, at 16 or so you want to get some pts into that massive hammer you got. His regen will be ridiculous and so you'll want to be able to put a hurting on him in a big way. boulder roll -> smack that bloodsucker.
Focus on speed items and mana/health regen. Tower farm and only run far enough to leave him on the 'wrong side (the side where he has to run back through them' of your towers before you roll a boulder at him. If you can get the timing down, you can boulder him when it is not such a great time for him as he'll be wanting to bite you.
Alot of it is just figuring out the dance you have to do with him before you crush his bloodsucking face. You want to wear him down and deny him the chance to bite you if possible. He *will* bite you. Just make sure whenever he does that he is already desperately needing it and not just topping off from half to full.
If 90% of his damage was coming from bite he wouldn't be killing ANYONE.
Bite has a 7 second cooldown. it does 900dmg at it's max. Early game its great, but past 15th level that's almost nothing.
Now think about this. 3 minion totems and 10 of his vampire minions wich perpetually respawn, coupled with some items to boost their damage, as well as his own auto attack damage at the same time. That's some huge physical damage right there, more than any other character in the game with the exception of oak.
Bite is just the icing on the cake, slowing down the enemy and lowering thier armor so that your minions can do thier thing just that much better. The 900dmg is nice, but really just an afterthought.
Now, spending a quick 1900 gold on the 2 first armor boosting chest items will give you a mitigation rating of 40-50% depending on your character. Money well spent considering it's highly effective against not only erebus, but the majority of heroes out there.
"Reasons We Bite"
A list in order of importance of reasons for biting someone
By A Vampire
1. First, we bite to keep ourselves alive! Everytime we bite, we get back some health! We need health to survive!
2. We bite because it hurts. Everytime we bite, our victim takes lot's of damage. Sometimes when we bite our victim they get scared and runs away, or even die!
3. Sometimes we bite you in the ankle to slow you down so you can't run away from us. We need you nearby so we can bite you again!
4. And lastly, sometimes we bite you on the chinstrap so your helmet falls off and you don't have many armors. Without armors, club hurts more when I hit you on the head with it, along with everyone else's club too.
I'd reverse the order of 4 and 2 in my list of importance, but to each thier own.
Eh... that's what minions are for
Anyway, one on one, Rook has a pretty bad matchup against Erebus, as Erebus should be able to wipe him out very easily early game to the point where his advantage in levels and money is too much for Rook to handle. Rook really needs some support so he can get started, and once he hits mid game, then he becomes a huge threat to Erebus. My only recommendation for this setup is either stop playing 1 on 1, or start playing a new character. Rook just isn't meant to start head on, and guys like UB and Erebus will just beat the hell out of him for that.
imo nerf bite :K
Hey Lord I wouldn't consider my self suckish considering currently in 2nd ranked place as far as Rook players go. And I have tried practicaly every combination against Erebus and the only ones that had even a chance was a high-armor/health Rook with yes Bolder Roll and Hammer Slam and I still got towers. But even then I was nearly dead and had no mana by the time me and my partner beat Erebus, and we still ended up losing. Look at my matches, most of my games I lost are from Erebus, and only Erebus.
I have tried a speed build, but the best I could do is the Anklet for a favor item plus boots of speed, and Erebus still managed to be faster because lets face it the Rook is just slow unless you spend ALL of your money making him fast. And no It wasn't just ONE player that has beatin me with Erebus, its practically anyone with Erebus with a average intelligence level. Im pretty sure I could do the same thing but I like the Rook so meh. One Player against me with Erebus was telling me not to use towers and just use high-armor and health and use as I said earlier the Bolder Roll and Hammer Slam but usually Erebus can get out of the way of Hammer Slam in time because the stun on Bolder Roll doesn't last long enough. You usually only hit him with the AOE not with the raw slam damage. Then of course if you stop the bite BEFORE the stun he will just bite you after the stun negating most damage I already did to him.
Saying that you should take hammer slam as rook is rediculous because bat swarm or mist will make that completely useless. I like playing erebus but I would say he is abit too good.
Well, all in all it could just be a bad match up, it happens rock-paper-scissors style sometimes. I wasn't trying to say you suck (notice all the Maybes?) that was mostly pent up rage from other posts. Sorry.
Most of Rook's direct damage comes from towers which have limited range and no manuverability, or from hammer slam, which is something that can be avoided by moving.
Also, as kokos said, Erebus has two tricks up his sleeve to avoid hammer slam or towers, which are bat swarm (teleport) and mist (go immune to damage, but can't move or attack). Since Hammer Slam has a charge up and is easily identifiable beforehand, it;s easiest just hit "2" on my keyboard and go invincible making you waste mana and do no damage to me.
Combined with the fact that you are an already slow character, bite reduces your speed, which makes it harder for you to get away. Also, you have high armor, but bite also reduces that amount as well.
So, after factoring all that in, essentially we have:
Rook, who has normal armor (when bitten) and super slow speed (when bitten) fighting Lord Erebus who he can't do any nuke damage to (Hammer Slam missing) and Rook can't run away because he's slowed from bite and Lord Erebus has a teleport that damages to boot.
Just a bad, bad matchup perhaps. Lord Erebus engages you, and essentially takes away your ability to drop hammer slam, ability to run away, drains your health to him, and lowers your armor.
Only thing I guess I can really suggest is play 1v1 against a friend trying different build or items till you find something that works.
To add, I recently played a 2v2 game against 2 rooks on crucible, it was a dominate game-type. My teamate was a Unclean Beast, but he wasn't that good (I did 100,000 more damage than him, so either he got disconnected at startup and it was AI or he was new) So I was often trying to take on two rooks at once, while my teamate was buying potions I guess lol.
Anyways, I died a few times, but the two main things that were damaging me were towers and hammer slams. They spread there towers out fairly wide and there was 10 of them (2 rooks) and so it was like a tower mine field that I had to go through to get back at one of the rooks. This really only bothered me at the beginning of the game, as I was able to avoid it mostly with bat swarm (teleport) later on.
A few times, I died to hammer slam. Kinda underestimated how fast it was and they caught me once or twice with it. After that I learned my lesson and started going into mist when they would raise hammer and they would often miss.
Thinking about it, since you are having a hard time killing Erebus with your Hammer Slam (main nuke) perhaps you should invest in your auto-attack. When Erebus is in mist he drains some health to his allies, but none to self and he can't attack, bite or move. To really damage you he has to be out of mist.
Maybe investing in items that give +damage and +attack speed will help since he really can't avoid that. This will up your autoattack dps, which is something he will have to brunt to kill you. Also tower of light and arrows on shoulders, he can't really escape those either whilst attacking you. Another idea is when you engage him drop a tower right where you are standing, and I believe you can click your towers and tell them to attack a specific target, because they may be attacking his minions or grunts instead of him.
By the end of the game, if I got one of the rooks alone with only 1 or 2 tower's nearby, I would either kill them or scare them off.
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