This is my opinion of Stardock new GOO DRM.
Don't do it. Just don't do it.
Remember what people say. DRM, no matter how light or minimal, is still DRM. Judging by what I've read, GOO does things with the internet, as does other DRM, and it makes itself a center component of a game installation, as does other DRM again.
I know Stardock means well with this, but many people know Stardock for a "No DRM" stance, so they'll probably feel cheated and turn to piracy, which will make publishers turn to invasive DRM, which will make even more people turn to piracy, and the cycle continues. In fact, the anti-DRM site Reclaim Your Game dropped Stardock from their trusted list because of this, and I think something about Impulse.
Come on Stardock. Please dont do this to us. Reputation takes years to make, seconds to break.
Instead of this GOO, just dont do anything with copy protection or DRM. It just doesnt work. A reason Sins of a Solar Empire sold well is not only because it was an excellent game, but had zero DRM, save a serial number used to register the game and download updates, which really doesn't count.
I'm sorry to those who think I'm ranting or trolling, it's not my intention.
Thanks for the link, GE. +1 karma.
They have a reasonable description of Stardock, free from the extremes of the fanboy club and haters here.
Although "average" might be a tad bit lower than I'd put Stardock, it's very close to my own experience as well.
No real complaints as of yet that can't be worked through.
My complaints? Or Reclaim Your Game's?
i can't believe how many people whine over drm. seriously.
O WAAA WE ARE TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS! well that's because 80% of those playing are(1:5 gamer to pirate ratio in demigod earlier)
And don't think you are sticking it to them man or some revolutionary because you don't buy a game because it has drm; that's just dumb. Plenty of drm types work fine, people are jsut too dumb to use them right.
MAN I USED MY 5 INSTALLS AND NOW I CAN'T PLAY. Well why do you need 5, and just deactivate some...
Yet another troll rant. Nothing new here. Ranting about DRM simply labels you as a pirate or pirate sympathizer to others. Reputation takes years to make, seconds to break. And yours was no different.
Stardock is developping GOO for others publishers, not for its products. How are others publishers supposed to react if their only choices are between no DRM and nasty DRM?
BTW, stating that Stardock published games are DRM free is false since a serial id needs to be linked with an unique e-mail. They just have no copy protection on retail games.
brad has stated several time that they have been using goo-style protection on their own products for sometime. the goo system is for the other publishers who want to use it.
kinda sad that you only b*tch about the DRM now that it has a name. bet you never really noticed it before?
Hey we dont want to be treated unfairly.
Read the post. I'm not trying to rant here.
[quote who="Peace Phoenix" reply="5" id="2153211"]Instead of this GOO, just dont do anything with copy protection or DRM.Stardock is developping GOO for others publishers, not for its products. How are others publishers supposed to react if their only choices are between no DRM and nasty DRM?BTW, stating that Stardock published games are DRM free is false since a serial id needs to be linked with an unique e-mail. They just have no copy protection on retail games.
I thought serial numbers were for getting updates. Guess I was wrong.
Ok, seriously, someone explain this to me. Except for Elemental that will be used as a "show" for the other companies (and it won't use the "DRM" part but the one that allows you to sell your license if my memory doesn't betray me), Stardock isn't going to use GOO (except, maybe, again for that part of reselling the game's license). Or maybe my memory is wrong or I don't correctly remember what has been said in these forums not so long ago. Maybe Stardock should annoy people using the DRM that Frogboy once suggested as a joke:
"It's using a combination of SecuROM and Starforce so that the game will require a CD in the drive, a USB key to be inserted and the reading of a particular word on a particular page of the user manual (which won't be hard since it'll only have a 2 page manual naturally). The docs, which we expect to be written by fans, will be online only which will be fine since the game will require players to be on-line at all times due to the by-the-hour activation checks the game makes to the single player mode. Also, the game won't work if you have any CD-ROM burning software including the built in media player software (users will naturally need to uninstall any media players including iTunes in order to play)."
No, you were right. But for getting updates, the serial must be registred. And it can be registred with only one e-mail. You can copy, install the retail game as you want. There is no obligation to register the game when installing it from a retail DVD.
BTW, registering the serial id not only give you the ability to get updates. But alos to download the whole game for your lifetime. You can even lost your install CD and serial id after having registered it in Stardock servers. But this also means that you can't sell the game since there isn't yet (but that will be possible with the coming Impulse marketplace) any possibility to unregister you serial id.
Spoken like someone who has never been bitten by DRM. I was burned on it by BioShock. What did I do wrong? Hmmm, upgraded RAM and added a hard drive to my system. Not a new drive that required a reinstall of the OS, just a second drive for more storage. Result: locked out of my game.
So tell how I was too dumb to 'use it right'.
Well, yeah, that would be good... oh wait. Not all of them have revoke tools. None for BioShock when I was locked out (that came much later). None for Mass Effect PC until just recently. None for Chronicles of Riddick:Assault on Dark Athena (and none forthcoming, since Tages does not provide - and never will - a revoke tool). None for Spore when it was first launched.
But go ahead and support publishers that use these intrusive and asinine DRM schemes. Maybe you'll never run into a problem with it. More power to you if that's the case. But if you do run into troubles like many of us have, perhaps you'll get some perspective on it.
WIlly: labelling someone as a pirate or pirate sympathiser because they're against DRM? That's pretty narrow-minded. I don't pirate, I pay for my software, but I'm completely against these DRM schemes such as appeared on BioShock, Spore, et al. You probably don't believe me, but I don't care. I have less than zero sympathy for pirates, since they're the reason I have to put up with seeing games I'd like to play be saddled with this bloody DRM* in the first place.
*Note: I'm not referring to GOO here. I'm reserving judgment on it until I see it in action.
Bullshit. He has an opinion and has a right to speak it. Just because his opinion is different than yours, you label him a troll. It must be an awesome responsibility to be the only one whos opinion counts.
You're a coward and the true troll. Your post's only purpose is to garner what you think will be support from the fanboys here. Just spout out the shill crap you've been fed. You can't even come up with your own ideas, can you? That's a good sheep.
because i made a posted telling all of you pirates you are dumb you think i can't come up with my own ideas? i think demigod should have a giant invisible panda demigod that uses a bamboo stick to hurt people and eats it for health. i just thought that up by myself. i made a conscious decision to try and come up with my own idea and i did it!! i just tried to and was victorious in coming up with my own idea. i came up with my very own idea! well that proves your comment wrong
and how is your post different than mine? Your post's only purpose is to garner what you think will be support from the pirates here
LOL AT HYPOCRITE WHO CANT USE DRM
drm's work fine, very few have problems, especially now. so don't go complain that they DIDN'T have a revoke tool, they DO now.
LOLOL AT GAME PIRATERS
Considering the actual pirates that crack and post the games don't bother with DRM free games, the idea that someone is a pirate or pirate sympathizer for being against DRM is... stupid? As far as I can tell, they enjoy the challenge and race each other to crack the new game first. If there isn't anything to crack, and there isn't on any of them yet, what's the point?
No, I said that because you're a coward and the true troll.
You spout bullshit that you have no first clue about in the hopes that you'll gain a following. Not gonna happen, troll.
And you know the most ironic thing? Those actual pirates have to actually buy the game before they can crack it
calling people trolls is real good defense. how bout you tell me why goo is bad? cause you cant play the game online when you illegally dl it?
yup, tell that to the demigod people, 5 to 1 pirate to gamer ratio earlier
you drm enemies have no facts straight
LOLOLOL
Tell me, of the millions of pirated copies of Spore that exist, how many people actually cracked the game themselves? Twenty, maybe thirty? The rest just rode the other people's effort, just like they rode the game developer's effort. There's a huge difference between the guy who cracks it and the horde that use that crack. The cracker may not be interested in a DRM-free game, but the horde of users are. They get the game without having to wait for it to be cracked.
Not to mention the other stuff being tossed about. No registration of the game at all would mean even cracked copies can get updates and use the multiplayer servers. You don't see that as a benefit for pirate users?
If they are against any DRM at all, of any type, yes. If you have an objection to specific DRM (securom, etc), that is entirely different. Disapproving of specific invasive side effects is not the same as painting it all with the same brush.
I'm calling him a troll because he's complaining about something he clearly doesn't understand in a self-contradictory manner and expects to be taken seriously. Stardock has never had a complete "no DRM" stance, at least not while I've been buying their games. He specifically approves of how Sins was handled, even though GOO is essentially the same thing with a name put on it. Somehow the name makes it bad?
As for my opinion being the only one that matters, no - but it does matter to me. Just like your opinion of me will likely color how you receive my posts, my now-diminished opinion of him will affect how (and even if) I read his posts in the future.
True.
I never said that GOO was bad. I just said you were a coward, troll and a sheep. It has nothing to do with the OP's opinion.
Willy, Woca, did you even read all of my post. I said I wasn't trying to troll, and I'm not.
I dont understand why you like DRM. It's not a good thing. I just dont want Stardock to lose its anti DRM stance. I'm also worried about GOO being invasive and ineffective.
Since when have they had to wait for the games? It takes longer to download most of them than it does to crack them. The cracked copies are usually the first thing available, they're almost always stripped of the protections before secondary release dates are met. It's a minor delay if any, piracy doesn't gain anything by removing it. The only people inconvenienced by anything are the customers.
There is no other justification needed for restricting server access to keys than simple property laws. The server is physical property, controlled access to it has nothing to do with DRM. Making sure the only way to play multiplayer is through their server, that is DRM. Which, oddly enough, inconveniences customers. Who'd a thunk...
I'm just fine putting up with minor annoyances for the sake of percieved wrongs. I don't get excited over cd keys, having to leave the damn disk in the drive, I'll even put up with restricted multiplayer setups that don't allow direct connection. None of it inconveniences people that don't even pay for the game, it's all positive for them, and the people circumventing the protections are having fun doing it.
I love the "if you complain about DRM you're a pirate" argument, it so directly labels the person making it as a total moron. If I was a pirate, why would I care about DRM? It's not like pirates have to deal with it, after all, and it's not like there's been a DRM scheme yet that wasn't broken within days of the release of a game.
DRM only causes problems for paying customers, game pirates don't care about DRM one way or the other because they never have games that are saddled with it.
One question, what the f'in forshizzlesticks does GOO stand for?
did you read my post? did i ever call you a troll?
why don't you like drm? it's not a bad thing, it's not good, its needed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI
Its really sad how bad the pirating was for Stardock\GPG in demigods case...
I paied money, and people who didnt get to dance with robbie rotten!
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