Your a good man Doc but they can't be anymore offended than an Athiest that has to live with a system shaped and molded with religous foundations. Holy christ on a cracker, we are going through a depression, shutting the system down on Sundays is just stupid.

I'm just saying that religous people are quick to cry Waaaaaaaaaaa yet do not care that they continuously offend Athiests in everything they do.

Peace bro.

Needless to say your pictures showed exactly nothing.

Your post is an attempt to provoke...so I won't give you that pleasure.

It is enough that you proved that no such footage was in your hands.

"I sincerely hope you do believe me though, as I would never make up stuff like this to put forth an argument." 

I think you're FOS. If you had the clips you would have submitted them.

Instead you have 3 pictures...and they might have been shot by Hamas. In fact, probably were.

There was no trick as you put it on my part. Just a lie or total gullibility on yours.

You obviously think I'm a fool, so Adios, amigo. Peddle your BS elsewhere.

 Oh yes, the site you pm'd me is a Hamas site...you really are gullible.

but we ALL perceive in a way that glorifies our self.

needed to be repeated.

I prefer to go with my gut, I feel im a good judge of what I see.  When evil is visible, I see it.. no matter what side it is on. Coverage of both sides of the issue is everywhere 24/7 these days, I just happen to come down on the side I believe doesn't want to destroy civilization as we know it.

Tell you what though, if anyone out there thinks the west or anyone else is doing as much to further terror and destruction on this planet than the radical ismlamic movement they need their head examined.

In my hands? I cant believe I'm reading this comment coming from a grown man like yourself. You think I'm a collector or clips of human suffering and death or what? I am honestly saying that I believe at least one of these clips are real, yet you call it BS. Now you are openly aiming to insult me. I came here to offer my apoligies for the way I spoke yesterday, also to you, yet you spit on them like they are trash. I also told you several times the mentioned site isn't very trustworthy, but that does not keep you from going on and on and on about that they MUST be false and that I am spreading BS. Are you all knowing God now all of the sudden? Have you seen all that is to see around the world? Must be special. Btw, why cant ANYTHING reported on arab or muslim sites be true? This tells a lot about you.

Why do you not mention the other links by the way? The part about israeli soldiers campaining agains Isralei military operations for instance? You have NOTHING to add? You run around policing this thread like its your own, and support even more respected members unconditionally without adding anything at all.

You say: "You obviously think I'm a fool" Yes, now I KNOW you are a fool, judging from this last comment of yours. And good riddance. I'm out of here.

"good" and "evil" are VERY subjective terms... I wouldn't trust you to know that any more than I trust myself to know it (which is not very much, I try to get as much fact as possible, but realise I'm probably nowhere near being educated enough to judge it)....

I'll give you an example:

I give you a free Coca Cola... Wow I'm nice, and seem "good".... BUT I did it because I know it'll cause you issues with your teeth because of all the sugar... That would make the same act "evil"...

Or if we want to go even further... Religious people look away.... Consider this:

God is "good", creator of the world and all... The Devil is "evil" because he wants to undo the creation... Simple enough? Not really.. Because what if the truth is this: God created the universe to be a prison for our souls, creating "reality TV" for his personal enjoyment... We have no idea, but we're trapped in this eternal cycle of rebirth, unable to fulfil our true purpose in a higher realm. Suddenly the Devil is not evil because he wants to tear down our prison, and free us so we can achieve our full potential...

I don't believe in good and evil, I believe in cause and effect... I believe it's reflected in my posts throughout this thread (and elsewhere).

Labeling them "evil" has never sat too well with me. It gives them an edge as if they were unearthly and something to be feared. They win!

Someone as biased as you quoting: "You Shall Treat Others As Your Equals And Demand The Same".

This is worth about as much as a grain of sand. Probably less.

HAHAHAHA

Live in Gaza.

Why it will never end? Because there aren't enough people around who won't take that sh@t, and put their foot down. HARD.

Adios. I've had enough of the futility of this. You can have the last word.

He lied...or is gullible. Gullible isn't an insult. Lying is an insult...to me, not him. If I'm ignorant, tell me so and/or educate me. No problem. It's not an insult Karen.

As for "it appears to me that you're being harsh to complete strangers here." I have repeated the same thing over and over and it's really not difficult to understand. Try reading what they say with my eyes. False videos, etc. "Be nice" where were these guys for the past 10 years while Israelis were bombed and killed? They didn't say a word that I've read. It's the double standard that galls me: When it happens to the Israelis it's ok...but not when it happens to Hamas. Well. I don't think so, and that at least is consistent with my "Rules" that were there to point to the fact that there IS right and wrong.

You think that Israeli papers are govenment rubber stamps. They aren't. Far from it. You've never read one, I'd wager. That's being ignorant. That's not an insult either. Ignorance is universal. There is much I am ignorant of. Yes, even with this topic...but Hamas is evil. It has no plans for recognizing other people's right to life or peace. The use of the word idiot is yours, not mine. I never used it. You should avail yourself of what I wrote and also, ignorance and idiocy are not equivalent.

I see Hamas as everyone's enemy...along with all the fanatics who think nothing of my life's work: Saving lives, and instead elect to treat them as nothing. Just because someone is my enemy doesn't make him sick or perverted. Having no regard for human life and the arrogance to take it does.

I reiterate: If Hamas  and it's ilk stops trying to shell/rocket and kill Israelis (and anyone else they don't agree with) I say live in peace. If not, then they can depart horizontally or vertically...makes no difference.

That's just common sense.

Here's some news from Europe:

Fears mount of Gaza conflict spill over in Europe
Tuesday, January 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST
The Associated Press
By JOHN LEICESTER Associated Press Writer


PARIS (AP) — Government officials and Jewish leaders are concerned the conflict in Gaza may spill over into violence in Europe, with attacks reported against Jews and synagogues in France, Sweden and Britain.

Assailants rammed a burning car into the gates of a synagogue in Toulouse, in southwest France, Monday night.

A Jewish congregation in Helsingborg, in southern Sweden, was attacked Monday night by someone who "broke a window and threw in something that was burning," said police spokesman Leif Nilsson. And on Sunday slogans, including "murderers ... You broke the cease-fire," were daubed on Israel's Embassy in Stockholm.

In Denmark, a 27-year-old Dane born in Lebanon to Palestinian parents is alleged to have injured two young Israelis last week in a shooting police suspect could be linked to the Gaza crisis. Belgium ordered police in Antwerp and Brussels to be on increased state of alert" Tuesday after recent pro-Palestinian protests ended in violence and arrests.

France has Western Europe's largest Jewish and Muslim communities and a history of anti-Semitic violence flaring when tensions in the Middle East are high. In 2002, some 2,300 Jews left France for Israel because they felt unsafe. Even in normal times, anti-Semitic incidents are not uncommon.

President Nicolas Sarkozy warned in a statement Tuesday that France would not tolerate violence linked to the Gaza crisis. A day earlier, his interior minister said she was concerned about the prospect of contagion and met with the heads of the two main Muslim and Jewish groups and police officials to stress the need to "preserve national unity."

Jews in the small Strasbourg suburb of Lingolsheim in eastern France woke up Tuesday to find graffiti with words like "assassins" spray-painted on the outside walls of their synagogue. The community filed a complaint for "degradation of a place of worship," the mayor's office said.

Damage to the synagogue in Toulouse was limited to a blackened gate. Police said unlighted gasoline bombs were found in a car nearby and in the synagogue's yard. A local Jewish leader, Armand Partouche, said he believed the assailants fled when the building's alarm went off.

Local authorities promised Tuesday to boost security for synagogues and other Jewish sites in the city, Partouche said.

"We really fear that anti-Semitism will spring up again and that the current conflict will be transposed to our beautiful French republic," Partouche said.

French Muslim leader Mohammed Moussaoui condemned the attack, saying no motive could justify an assault on any place of worship.

Interior Ministry spokesman Gerard Gachet said police have not noted an increase in violence against Jews linked to the Gaza crisis. But he said tensions are likely.

In Britain, the Community Security Trust, a Jewish defense group, said it had seen a rise in anti-Semitic incidents since the start of Israel's offensive against Gaza. The group said it recorded 20-25 incidents across the country in the past week — a sizable increase from 2-3 incidents usually reported to the group over the Christmas-New Year period.

Police are investigating an arson attempt Sunday on a synagogue in north London. Assailants splashed liquid on the door and set it on fire. Police would not speculate on whether the attack was linked to the Gaza crisis.

In another incident last week, a gang of 15-20 youths walked along the main street in Golders Green, a largely Jewish neighborhood in north London, shouting "Jew" and "Free Palestine" at passers-by, said Community Security Trust spokesman Mark Gardner.

Drj, people are going to find a million and one reasons to persuade you that someone who is hell bent on killing you ...isn't... or it's not their fault, or we're all to blame...

meanwhile... they are that much closer to killing you.. or someone else.