Yeah yeah, it's me again, sorry
Assault Specialization ability of Vulkoras seems to be working negatively, reducing the frequency of shots the Vulkoras does, instead of increasing it (increasing cooldown instead of reducing it).
I ran a test:
10 level Vulkoras attacking a planet with its main guns (assault spec level3) did 135 damage over 60 seconds.10 level Kortul attacking the same planet did 230 damage over 60 seconds.
Clearly something isn't right, since Vulkoras should be doing more bombing damage by itself than Kortul, according to the in-game stats. Indeed, Vulkoras siege gun cooldown indeed increases as he purchases levels of Assault Specialization (i.e. he fires more and more slooowllyyy), NOT decreases, while single shots are more powerful than Kortul's .
By the way, Power Surge for Kortul also doesn't seem to reduce the weapon cooldown by 75% (it should fire 4 times when it would normally shoot once. I'll run a test, but I think it doesn't work) , but instead its weapon damage gets increased...? A way around or what?
Anyway all that was witnessed in 1.05. I checked the beta changelogs for something to do with those bugs and I found nothing.
Looking at the files, I can't confirm it.. everything seems normal and the Vulkoras' bombardment cooldown is supposed to be properly affected. Tonight I'll try actually playing with it, no time now.
Okay I ran a definitive test.
I leveled up a new Vulkoras exclusively for this test up to level 8 (I attacked the pirate base ).So, the participants are:
Vulkoras A - 10th level, Assault Spec level 3.Vulkoras B - 8th level, no assault spec chosen.
I told them, one at a time, to attack a planet (they both had autoattack off). They were pointing their noses at it and I started counting time as the first beam was fired. Both tests lasted exactly 60 seconds against the same planet.
Here are the results:
Vulk. A (3 lvl Assault Spec) - dealt 212 dmg in 4 shots over 60 seconds, meaning 53 dmg/shot and an estimated ~15 sec cooldown.Vulk. B (no lvl of Ass Spec) - dealt 318 dmg in 6 shots over 60 seconds, meaning 53 dmg/shot and an estimated ~10 sec cooldown.
Conclusions:The Vulk. A shots had a noticeably larger cooldown, both seen in the results and with my own eyes.Notice the damage the Vulkoras deals to planets does not increase over the two levels at all. I suppose it should... don't know. If it does, it does by ... <maths> ... less than 0.236% (otherwise the results would depict it).Moreover, Vulk.A has just finished its 4th shot as the 60 seconds passed, while Vulk.B was only about to shoot its 7th salvo when the time went out, so there would be an even greater contrast in the results if I increased the time limit.
The odd thing is in the files, the base cooldown for bombardment is 10 seconds:
baseDamage 53.000000basePopulationKilled 2.050000bombingFreqTime 10.000000 <------baseRange 5000.000000bombTransitTime 4.000000bombEffectCount 2bombEffectAngleVariance 2.500000
And the modifier from the ability:
numEntityModifiers 1entityModifier buffEntityModifierType "PlanetBombingCooldown" value Level:0 -0.250000 Level:1 -0.500000 Level:2 -1.000000
I'm puzzled
Ok so the ship has "bombingFreqTime" and the skill alterates "PlanetBombingCooldown".I'm new to modding and messing with files, but if the skill changes ^ this, then such a parameter should be somewhere in the ship's parameters OR there must be an algorythm of how "PlanetBombingCooldown" modification affects "bombingFreqTime".I'll try to sneak peak in that.
Nope, I found all the info you extracted, but I can't find any procedure for what the game does with this PlanetBombingCooldown thing.
Fraaaasseeerrrrr !!!
Well that's not unusual, all that stuff is in the code. bombingFreqTime is likely just the variable name that gets modified when the function gets called to apply the entitymodifiertype
But basically, the files look right. So if there is a bug it's in the code somewhere
I bet there's a silly minus somewhere in that planetbombingsomething modifier.
Either way, the bug IS there. Let's wait for the Devs to take a glimpse and work their magic.
to see if there is a minus somewhere, why don't you try this:
value Level:0 -0.250000 Level:1 -0.500000 Level:2 -1.000000
change those to positive values and see if it affects the results positively.
if so, then there is a bug in the code outside of the ability files, yes?
if not, then it's a different culprit.
Ok, I finally had the chance to play around with this and yes, the sign is flipped when it shouldn't be.
I set bombing cooldown to 20 seconds (easier to spot changes with longer intervals). I set the rank 1 ability to -1 (so -100%, meaning it should be shooting every 10 seconds). That actually had the opposite effect. I then set the ability to +1 (so a penalty of 100%), and it dropped to 10 second bombing intervals.
Gonna toss a PM to Blair, maybe the fix can get snuck in before 1.1 goes live since it's pretty easy.
Fixed. Also fixes Vasari Weapon Jammers (they were causing enemy ships to actually bomb faster )
Thanks guys!
Did you correct the formula for calculating how weaponcooldown reduction affect the weapon cooldown, or have you just set the digits from negative to positive?Cause there are quite a few abilities that I didn't look into, which also affect shooting speed (Power Surge etc.).
I think the damage listed on the infocards is damage per second, not per shot, so an increase in either would make the number go up.
And so it did for Kortul using Surge.
That calmed me a little.
When you say weapons jammers... are you refering to the emplacement you can build in a grav. well? Or to the weapons jammers on the Kortul, or... hopefully... both?
the Nano Weapon Jammer , the building , places a debuff that slows enemy fire (i.e. increases their weapon cooldowns). The Assault spec bug was linked to how the game handled changing cooldowns on weapons, which mechanism was also used by the Nano weapon jammer's debuff. So the same bug that caused Assault spec to decrease Vulkoras' effectiveness instead of increasing it also caused the nano weapon jammer to increase the effectiveness of the enemy, instead of hampering them.Both are repaired now.
Jam Weapons , the Kortul's skill , simply disables the weapons of strike craft affected. It works as it should, will work as it should and has nothing to do with Ass spec's bug.
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