I forgot that JU is very right wing dominant.
I have to be honest, I'm not feeling this election as much as I was the last. Even though I am voting for Obama, I just felt that Hillary was the better choice for the job. I am a strong supporter of the dems and even though I feel that the ideal candidate was not selected, my values still remain the same. I believe in a woman's right to choose and health care for everyone. I agree with raising these taxes to pay off the giant debt and bringing the troops home. I do not support this war, but I support the men and women who are completing their duties.
I don't mind McCain because he is moderate, but I DO mind Sarah Palin. Now don't get me wrong, I think it's great that a woman was selected and we are breaking down barriers in this election, but honestly, I think she is just one hot, hot mess. If you think that being an ocean away from Russia makes you an expert on foreign policy, then we're headed for trouble. She also seems to believe that this war is a duty from god. I'm really not getting that one. I also wish she'd quit thanking Hillary. She is not fooling anyone. She will not pick up many Hillary supporters because her values are so vastly different.
Just my thoughts...
LOL! I agree with you!
I'm not a right winger but I only occasionally eat granola.
I don't get involved in a lot of the political stuff because I'm not American and I don't see the reason to get myself all "het up" on stuff that doesn't have a direct impact on my daily life.
The whole thing about "showing the truth to the other side" is not only boring to watch, it is pretty much an exercise in futility. Some points are interesting. Both sides of any political issue use the same tools and methods to prove their point or discredit each other.
It would be nice if people could see truth and once seeing truth then do the "right" thing. Basically, people do this already. The problem lies with one person's right thing being really different from another.
I guess an example is this hypothetical situation: some crazy guy is running around and threatening people. When the guy runs into a brick wall and injures his head, do you go and finish off the job so he can't threaten anybody anymore or do you try to help the person out and take the chance of getting stabbed in the back? I think that both answers could be right. Depends on one's past experiences.
This isn't probably a really good analogy but...
I also don't think that the current economic problem is really a Republican or Democrat problem. I think it is a cultural problem that goes beyond politics. I'll probably have to do some more thinking about what that is exactly. It's just my feeling that it doesn't really matter who is in office in a really fundamental manner unless you have a large enough income to be playing in the big leagues. In some way, some how, the average person is going to get screwed. Maybe the name of the party only means a difference in the way you get it or how palatable it is. Is it Cherry flavored or does it taste nasty.
I think the problem is the whole merry go round everyone wants to ride. Ultimately, it doesn't make a difference who's pushing it.
Then why are you voting for Obama? He's only bringing more spending to the table and with the state of the economy, he would never be able to raise taxes.
You're not the only granola chewing hippie, however, a lot of them have lost faith in the Democratic party. Why? It's becoming the socialist party. Republicans are moving toward being more of the old school Democrats (less government, less taxes, more freedom for the people) and the Democrats are turning socialist (more government control, more taxes, more laws). Historically, Hippies don't like the government and wish it hardly existed. it's hard to be a "Democrat" when they is no real party to support you. So, a lot of Hippies are now Republicans because they don't want so much government involvement.
Then your really going to love your "selections" level of foreign experience (four childhood years in Indonesia, maybe he can get a soccer match doing with a Ahmadinejad in the schoolyard).
She never said that, but it was twisted into democrat "truth" over the Internet so now it must be so, right? Palin has actually fired a rife (National Guard), Obama hasn't. Palin has a son in Iraq (tough for any parent), Obama doesn't. Now Palin isn't running directly against Obama, that's true, but when a VP candidate is better qualified than the opposing presidential candidate, you have to wonder.
And why shouldn't she thank Hillary? You said yourself (along with Biden) Hillary would have been the ideal candidate. So most Democrats and Republicans know this. As a Republican I'd be thanking Hillary too, for pissing off Obama enough not to select her for VP at least. Besides there are women that will vote for Palin because just she is a woman, Just as you stated you'll vote for Obama just because he's a democrat. It's not the wrong thing to do, but you shouldn't be critical of anyone else that takes a similar action as you did.
Don't let anyone shame you from your beliefs. I'm not voting for Obama or McCain, but I respect your decision. That's what's so great about being in American to begin with.
Thanks for the article.
Just a little disclaimer:
I didn't want this to turn into a mudslinging-fest-type of blog, but my values lie with the left and no matter what anyone says, that will not change.
Welcome alison!
Don't worry about getting into a mudsling-fest. It'll happen on it's own time.
Folks here tend to be fairly right wing but it does lead to some interesting, albeit heated discussions. However, I prefer this over a place where everyone agrees with each other, as that is just too boring.
If anyone does get under your skin, just fall back on this pearl of wisdom:
"The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter" (Twain)
I like granola!
Granola...hmm, I don't think I've ever eaten it proper.
As for left wing/ right wing? I'm in the middle leaning left.
I avoid extremism whenever possible.
~Zoo
If your feelings are easily hurt (it not my intention to do that) you could block comments to your article. I don't believe there is a way to block only people that might disagree with you. Of course you could have summed up your article in one sentence "I only vote for a person with a "D" after their name". That would leave little to discuss. I haven't seen anyone on JU succeed in changing anyone else's opinion, either way.
CB in order to shame someone, the person being "shamed" has to feel deep down inside there is a reason for shame (guilt, wrongdoing, etc.). I don't get the vibe Alison has any of those feelings on this issue. Just my take on it.
I like granola too.
Honestly Nitro, did she said her feelings were hurt or that she didnt' want anyoen to disagree with her? No. She stated her opinion, and we alls tated ours. Why does it have to come down to a "don't write if you don't want your feelings hurt" thing?
I was going to write a long winded response, but thank you FS, you hit the nail on the head in two sentences!
I was a Hillary supporter that can't and won't support Obama. I am going to vote for McCain this election. Even though I hold some of the liberal views of Democrats, I don't consider myself a Dem. anymore. I am now registered independent. I had said for a long time that McCain was one Republican that I could stomache voting for.
Roe vs Wade, sadly, will never be overturned. Its just an issue they use to terrorize women. As for Sarah Palin's foreign policy credentials, yes, they are weak, but how many Presidents, or Vice Presidents for that matter have ever had extensive foreign policy backrounds? Very few. Joe Biden does have an extensive backround in foreign policy, but he is always wrong. He waws wrong about the cold war, wrong about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, wrong about his plan to divide Iraq into 3 parts, and he was wrong about the surge. In fact, on almost every major foreign policy decison of the last 20 years, Biden has wrong. At least with Palin we have a shot at getting something right. And at least Palin knows the president wasn't FDR and that most Americans didn't have TV's during the Great Depression.
Your right FS... my apologies. It just sounded like the friend's of AW started circling the wagons to preempt any opposing comments. I don't think anyone came off mean or coercive, that surely wasn't the intent.
I like my granola extra crunchy and extra fruity!
welcome back Alison.
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Most of my hippy friends are wishing they could justify voting for Nader, but will probably vote Obama. I don't know. In my opinion the Republicans had 7 years to flush our country down the tubes with some of the worst choices in American history (Iraq, foreign policy in general, Katrina, economic regulatory meltdown, energy independence, fiscal and monetary policy, wto, poverty, trade policy, etc). On the other hand... very few of the Dems have shown a backbone and stood up to the Republicans. My favorite Presidential candidates were Ron Paul on the Republican side and Dennis Kucinich on the Dem side. Both these guys may be a little extreme, but they have held to their principles, aren't owned by the special interests, and are consistent and smart in their foreign and domestic policy.
I'll vote for Obama. I think he has the right values, and I respect his position on foreign policy and his careful intellectual approach to decision making. Many politicians, especially our current administration makes up for lack of expertise with brashness and over decisiveness. I don't trust McCain's temper, and I don't like his foreign policy. My two cents.
My text editor seems to have spewed all over my comment. Apologies everyone.
I agree with moshker's hippie friends. I'm personally wishing I could justify a vote for Nader but will probably vote for Obama. Just like I voted for Kerry. Just like I voted for Gore. Both parties are awful choices and we won't have real change in this country until third parties get equal media coverage, are allowed into the debates, and gain respect from the political community. Open up your minds people!
NADER/GONZALEZ '08!!
Don't pussy up. Vote with your conscience.
Vote Nader in '08.
at votenader.org, I was watching some videos of him. This is what he said on one of them.
"Better to vote for someone you believe in and lose than to vote for someone you don't believe in and win, for that someone will surely betray you."
I think that sums it up nicely. I'm throwing away my vote this year, and I'm proud of it!
sanchonino and cedarbird are my heroes!
Mormon brother and sister teams get shit done!
Well...we ARE pretty amazing.
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