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I'm not a pacifist, I believe in standing up for 1. Myself, 2. people I care about and 3. What I believe to be be right and just.

Good then try to do it the right way! There are proper ways of doing things.
Think about it... would you allow such at your own website John?

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Let me start by saying that I subscribed to WC in the first place because it was a FRIENDLY, HELPFUL site that kinda fitted what I needed and having made my own posts in the past about the way some comments/topics are presented here I'd like to say that I think Snowman was right in making this post. It SHOULD be the Mods/Admins that make any decisions as to what is or is not posted to the libraries and that any disagreements should be dealt with in private between the parties concerned, and if that doesn't resolve the issue then the Mod/Admin team should get involved privately with the parties concerned. In-fighting only results in discord and dissention.

I mean no offence to anyone who has posted to this topic and the above are my personal views.

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HG_Eliminator

Join Date 07/2002

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Most people dont come here to deal with member squabbles, they want to come and escape the troubles of day to day grind and have a bit of fun.

Any Legitimate issues one would have with another here needs to be handled privately and or handed over to a mod by PM if the issues contend to site infractions. Let the Mod's do our job.

Taking things in to ones own hands rarely ever goes well and typically damages not only those involved in the fighting, but the community as a whole.

If you must fight, keep the fighting in private, don't drag it out in the open where it disrupts everyone else's enjoyment of the site.

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Calling people's work or people crap is unacceptable.

Pointing out skin or character flaws, issues, and concerns in a polite, well-thought out manner is. Posting your opinion in the same manner is also acceptable

I believe that Snowy was focusing not on the negative content but on the negative delivery. There is a difference.

Amen brother, good point!

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

+919

If you must fight, keep the fighting in private

I tried that too.. was 'monitored' and also came back with a slap in the face. PM doesnt mean Private.. I assure u.

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When a mod mods a blind, hes checking that it works, not if he likes it, or the buttons bleed out a pixel or two. Or the start menu is so transparent that you can't read it because you see whats behind it as well. Its not our job to critique the blind while modding it. My God, if I did that, someone might drive over to my house and try to knock the crap out of me(and get seriously hurt). Also, not many would pass as I'am rather choosey. But we put those personel feelings aside when modding.

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When a mod mods a blind, hes checking that it works, not if he likes it,

Off subject, I know, but I wish this were the case with wallpapers...lol.

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WebGizmos

Join Date 09/2003

+735

Edited:

Never mind....wrong post....I had a brain fart!

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PoSmedley

Join Date 04/2005

+788

Puttong on my Jafo hat

I had a comment, but then I noticed 'P-u-t-t-o-n-g' and I lost my train of thought.

All I can hear is the conversation between Bubble Boy and Peppy in my head...and it won't stop.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1839

By and large, those charged with the 'policing of the site' [Admins/Mods] are reasonable, polite, fair and level-headed in their 'policing'.

There are others apparently WANTING to be so charged who patently are NOT.

Mods are often asked 'how did you get promoted to that level?' or 'what was it that made them choose you?'.

The answer is 'common sense and a clear willingness to support the site and its community', not 'a desire to stick up for myself and to hell with anyone who is different or disagrees with my view of the world'.

Handling a community of 3.2 plus million members and thousands of active contributors [gallery and forum] is no easy task...and it is made patently worse by people who THINK what they do is right.

When I said [once before...similar motivation] that exactly NO-ONE is exempt from censure I meant NO-ONE. Everybody is answerable to the site and its community, none more-so than myself and Island Dog, but equally Snowman, WOM, Zubaz, etc, and then comes the other 'leaders' - the Masters, Journeymen, etc. [clever use of bold type to make a point].

By the time you get 'down' to the novice Citizen there's a wee bit of room for some slack to be cut, but at 'the other end' there IS NONE.

This isn't a shift in 'focus' or ideals....it's a reaffirming of that which has seen Wincustomize transition to become a friendly place to be.

THAT is the ideal...the goal.

If you think this is about telling you how to comment or what to say you are wrong. It is about telling you how to behave.

If telling you how to behave towards your fellow site members is totalitarian/fascist/whatever then call me Adolf....

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I think I said this in a similar thread .. might have even been about the same ... altercation ... or a variation thereof.

Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.

... Especially in light of a repeat situation.

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

+919

Thanks pic, that was a brilliant summary of what a lot of people think...though most won't step up and say it.. it really is unfortunate that the establishment choose "happy" over wrong or right thru the eyes of some of their most significant contibutors and longstanding members.. Tells me all I need to know about who and what is appreciated in their eyes.

I suppose being a 'leader' equates to having ones tongue tied by those who have access to the buttons that matter.

It's my belief that those who frown upon speaking up for what we think is right should pay more consideration to what it obviously wrong.

But screw it, I'm out for a while, y'all can have this bs, I don't need it.

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ZubaZ

Join Date 11/2001

+917

Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.

You can trust that the mods take all claims to ripping (let's not beat around the bush here) seriously. But (and here's the big but) they will always try to moderate in favor of the artist. no matter who the artist is. If there is proof that something is amiss it will be dealt with. But with some visual styles the source is too muddled to be sure . . and we mods don't have the time to go through each skin in SKS.

I hope in the future that the galleries have a "Report a rip" function so that a more private solution will be readily available. Until then . . if you suspect something is wrong . . PM a moderator. Then consider your work done. If you don't like how it's handled . . no matter what rank you are or your experience skinning . . let it go or go somewhere else. Bashing another artist is the wrong way to handle it. Every time.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

+4204

Dr J, I typically do, when called a son of a bitch, I take a different tact... blame it on being a scotsman if that makes it easier... and yes I understand your post and thanks....noted.

I knew I loved ya furra reason laddy: och we're 2 Scotsmen in this benighted wilderness!

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Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.

Actually the way to handle that would be to discuss it with a mod/admin properly.
Not by taking it into our hands to do much of nothing but more harm than good. The site is governed by the mods with their authority. A member only has the power to express his view and such. Doing so openly is not always a good way to get things accomplished in a right manner.
With a repeat situation it would be so much easier to just bring it to light with those in authority. I agree you have your own opinion of the way the mods/admins do things. But that does not change anything for the better. For the better would be to consult with such people and resolve the problem. We all have to stand by the people that are in control of this website. So that we as members can adjust the ideas and/or problems we have with whatever the case may be.
Then it is a working situation. Otherwise it is not a proper working situation.
I'm not going off into this opinion base for who does what and why; if they do and don't. We have to accept what is only under our control and try to work with the people that are in control. This means support and being able to consult with them easily. Their job is no way easy and yes they can a mistake too. But so could I and that makes all about the same.

Give it over to these people for a best result and if not; at least we did try and made a right effort. Doing it ourselves and not really caring how it comes out - except it went our way; is not right at all!
It is like making a point in a sale. You put it out there and if they like it; they buy it.

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DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

+4204

I hope in the future that the galleries have a "Report a rip" function so that a more private solution will be readily available. Until then . . if you suspect something is wrong . . PM a moderator. Then consider your work done. If you don't like how it's handled . . no matter what rank you are or your experience skinning . . let it go or go somewhere else. Bashing another artist is the wrong way to handle it. Every time.

Yup. Right on, Zu.

I suppose being a 'leader' equates to having ones tongue tied by those who have access to the buttons that matter.

v....that's just paranoid.

Let me start by saying that I subscribed to WC in the first place because it was a FRIENDLY, HELPFUL site that kinda fitted what I needed

See? Like I been sayin for a while. Zubaz has taken over the site. We've been Ass-imilated!

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1839

Over at Deviantart.com I'm 'just a senior member', not an admin....but I'm frequently PM'd here about alleged rips available there [Devart] that may need dealing.....latest was/is a link to the Pirate Suite [pirated, no less] available via Devart.

The extent of my commentary on the 'alleged' rip [warez] is to note in its comments 'Policy Violation reported'...and to fill in a 'policy violation report'.

That's it. End of story.

No flaming...no accusing...no grand-standing...no ego.

I'm contacted because I have the 'ear' of Stee03 on Devart...he's the skin mod there...so things likely get handled more promptly without too much second-guessing. [if I let Stephen know an upload/link there accesses a warez copy of a premium skin he can take it as a given and deal]

Everyone here has access to our mods here...PM is good, and many use it.

ALL should.

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

+919

I have a question, Is the use of another skins images allowed in a WB and how often and under what criteria is a skin allowed to be updated and reuploaded.

Oh and whats the policy about being called a son of a bitch by another member in public and advocacy of warez of ones work?

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You can trust that the mods take all claims to ripping (let's not beat around the bush here) seriously. But (and here's the big but) they will always try to moderate in favor of the artist. no matter who the artist is. If there is proof that something is amiss it will be dealt with. But with some visual styles the source is too muddled to be sure . . and we mods don't have the time to go through each skin in SKS.

Fair enough. I don't believe it serves anyone for a skinner to be falsely accused.

However I think there are other issues at hand such as integrity and being true to the art of skinning (yeah, I hear some of you .. for Christ sake, pic .. it's just a skin!). Well for some people it's a job, and if not that, still taken seriously.

And perhaps that aspect is best not governed by site admins but by the community itself. What is acceptable to your peers and what is not as far as the craft goes. Shouldn't there be a certain amount of self-governance in the community for those areas that are not so rigidly defined as ripping, permissions, and the like?

@ John ,thanks ... never had a problem speaking my mind.

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I have a question, Is the use of another skins images allowed in a WB and how often and under what criteria is a skin allowed to be updated and reuploaded.

Oh and whats the policy about being called a son of a bitch by another member in public and advocacy of warez of ones work?

None the matter - it must be dealt with by the mod/admin.
I agree it was upsetting - but that does not make for throwing another punch.
All those questions are for the mods/admins.
Like I said " It is like a sale - if they like - they buy it!" Prove your point to a mod/admin privately so a good out come of the situation can be made.

GT

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vStyler

Join Date 11/2004

+919

The question was for Admin shelby and frankly I dont use PM's anytmore last time i did, I regretted it.. it isnt private.

No offense.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1839

vStyler....IF and only 'if' these questions are GENERAL they can be replied-to.

If they are a propagation of a pre-existing 'issue' then they are more of the same...continuing in public what is supposed to be dealt with in private.

Re 'another skins images allowed'...the answer is a qualified 'no'. [there are actually situations where it can be allowed or at least not disallowed].

Re 'updates and reuploads' ...as frequently as you wish....however if it is TOO frequent and/or the 'updates' are too minor/insignificant then the 'date reset' button will be unchecked by the moderator, resulting in the 'update' being placed back where it was in the date/time history prior to the update.

Re the being called names and advocacy of warez...[and public accusation of ripping] the rules apply to all. No rank gets a free ride.

The real issue with public argument is that BOTH sides will feel the right/need to defend and only exacerbate the situation.

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WebGizmos

Join Date 09/2003

+735

One easy way to deal with this comment bashing on someones skin is to allow the author of the skin the power to delete the offending comment/comments or ban the offender from commenting any further on that skin...done!

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ZubaZ

Join Date 11/2001

+917

One easy way to deal with this comment bashing on someones skin is to allow the author of the skin the power to delete the offending comment/comments or ban the offender from commenting any further on that skin...done!

It's easy but is it best? Might be an interesting discussion on it's own.

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Jafo

Join Date 03/2001

+1839

One easy way to deal with this comment bashing on someones skin is to allow the author of the skin the power to delete the offending comment/comments or ban the offender from commenting any further on that skin...done!

No...white-washing one's comments....to only leave the cutesy, positive is really not a viable/acceptable option.

There's absolutely no harm in anyone stating on a skin they do not like "I do not like this".

OK, if it also included '...because x is wrong and y is too green' it'd be a help, but opinion is opinion.

What's NOT acceptable is 'take this effing shit and stick it up your arse' [and yes, such is the sort of 'comment' that turns up from time to time]. THAT is not an 'opinion', that is simply the 'attack' of the socially inept and immature....that results in equally poor responses from many who should know better....

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