Expelled is a wonderful, moving movie experience. It's biased, sure, to the conservative, but there's still a good movie. It actually directly mirrors events in real life. You mention Intelligent Design, you get bashed. That's good, since it is a documentary. See it.
Second off, you do realize that you are proving Expelled's point with every comment you make. Now while that gets sunk in, you have to go see it.
The movie is a joke, plain and simple. This is not a documentary, not even close, it's propaganda all the way. Now, if they actually did the following things, then maybe, just maybe they deserve respect as filmmakers:
1) Don't plagiarize.
2) Get the facts straight.
3) Don't misinterpret or change interviews with people you've included in the film.
4) Don't take out footage that you don't agree with.
It's not a film, it's junk. It doesn't even have enough use to be a coffee cup
~~Ock~~
That was hilarious! I remember reading about it and I couldn't stop laughing, I mean seriously, they were oblivious to Richard Dawkins? Oh dear me...
What point? How can you make a point when everything, or near everything presented in the film is a mis-truth, "misspoke," misrepresentation, misinterpretation, lie, etc...? They misquote Darwin, amont other things.
Oh and correct me if I'm wrong, but people (namely creationists/ID'ers) put so much focus on Darwin, but he isn't the one that came up with Evolution, right? Wasn't there a guy before him, by like a decade or two. The name Engles comes to mind, but I think that's the wrong name
~Luca
Watch it like an open mind like I watched An Inconvenient Truth. Heck, I was biased towards An Inconvenient Truth, but I found Global Warming just far too... trippy...
The aliens did it, man...
[quoteI don't want the links of other sources. I want YOU to tell me...using your own brain why you don't like this movie. So far, you've said nothing but vague stuff like[/quote]
I am, and like I said:
The stealing.
See: Here
And below:
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/news/2008/US/301_expelled_producers_accused_of__4_9_2008.asp
Misrepresentation/Misinterpretation:
However, the movie was actually pitched to Stein as an anti-Darwin picture:
Plus I was never a big fan of Darwinism because it played such a large part in the Nazis’ Final Solution to their so-called “Jewish problem” and was so clearly instrumental in their rationalizing of the Holocaust. So I was primed to want to do a project on how Darwinism relates to fascism and to outline the flaws in Darwinism generally.
—World Magazine[79]
On learning of the pro-intelligent design stance of the real film, Myers said, "not telling one of the sides in a debate about what the subject might be and then leading him around randomly to various topics, with the intent of later editing it down to the parts that just make the points you want, is the video version of quote-mining and is fundamentally dishonest."[75] Dawkins said, "At no time was I given the slightest clue that these people were a creationist front", and Scott said, "I just expect people to be honest with me, and they weren't."[4]
Mathis called Myers, Dawkins and Scott a "bunch of hypocrites", and said that he "went over all of the questions with these folks before the interviews and I e-mailed the questions to many of them days in advance".[80][81] The film's proponents point out that Dawkins participated in the BBC Horizon documentary A War on Science, whose producers, they allege, presented themselves to the Discovery Institute as objective filmmakers and then portrayed the organization as religiously-motivated and anti-scientific.[80][82][83]
Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association wrote a letter to the editor of the New York Times, complaining about the deception. Speckhardt wrote, "If one needs to believe in a god to be moral, why are we seeing yet another case of dishonesty by the devout? Why were leading scientists deceived as to the intentions of a religious group of filmmakers?"[84]
Also, if it was to do as it says, it failed to be balanced, and include Theistic evolution. See:
Expelled has been criticized for not interviewing people who accept both theism and the theory of evolution. When the editorial staff of Scientific American asked Mathis why they did not include anybody like devout Catholic and prominent biologist Kenneth R. Miller in the movie, Mathis stated that his inclusion "would have confused the film unnecessarily" and went on to question Miller's intellectual honesty and orthodoxy as a Catholic because he accepts evolution.[88] Expelled is often criticized for setting up a false dichotomy between evolution and religion.
In a review of the film, the Waco Tribune-Herald described its "failure to cover how Christian evolutionists reconcile faith and science" as "perhaps the film’s most glaring and telling omission", and that the film rather "quickly dismissed [them] by a chain of quotes that brand them as liberal Christians and duped by militant atheists in their efforts to get religion out of the classroom."[89]
Defending the movie, the producer, Walt Ruloff, said that scientists like prominent geneticist Francis Collins keep their religion and science separate only because they are "toeing the party line". Collins, who was not asked to be interviewed for the film in any of its incarnations, said that Ruloff's claims were "ludicrous".[4]
The lie (concerning Dawin/Nazism)
He stops there, then names Darwin as the author in a way that suggests that Darwin provided a rationale for the activities of the Nazis. This selective quotation is an example of quote mining. The original paragraph (page 168) is different (words that Stein omitted shown in italics) and the very next sentences in the book falsify Stein's argument:[86][85]
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.[87]
The same misleading selective quotation from this passage was used by anti-evolutionist William Jennings Bryan in the 1925 Scopes Trial but the full passage makes it clear that Darwin was not advocating eugenics. The eugenics movement relied on simplistic and faulty assumptions about heredity, and by the 1920s evolutionary biologists were criticizing eugenics. Clarence Darrow who defended the teaching of human evolution in the Scopes trial wrote a scathing repudiation of eugenics.[45]
I will admit, that there is a concern over academic freedom. However, there's a difference in something being taught as philosphy, religion, and science.
I'm not saying that to point out what they did was wrong, but how they did it, i.e. their "evidence," was nothing more than bull hokey.
As an aspiring fimmaker/documentary maker, I'm sickened by this. This isn't a documentary, it's propaganda.
well were your sources? So far you're telling me you're believing people who have not seen the movie by providing me with this vague links by people who are basically boycotting this movie....what are they afraid of? What are you afraid of?
My bad, meant objective, not subjective. And my sources are stating what is truth, and others are verifying it.
I'm not afraid of anything, I want the truth, honesty, integrity, and they (the people of Expelled) have failed on it.
See: http://www.expelledexposed.com/index.php/the-truth
Also, some dishonesty with cancellation notices (which if you google it, it isn't just something from a single site).
http://stacymalbon.newsvine.com/_news/2008/04/06/1414511-more-dishonesty-surrounding-expelled-movie-false-cancellation-notices-for-certain-viewers
Actually, Expelled is a documentary on intellectual freedom (or lack thereof) in schools.
cscoles, capitalize "Jews".
Second, Christianity isn't really extermination of the Jews. Some of us (though not myself) consider ourselves "Messianic Jews", which is an wonderfully vague title, because it really doesn't mention Christ, but it still provides the point.
So, cscoles, you just compared Jews to Hitler.
It's a proper noun, if nothing else.
Why not respect everyone? The Jews are, after all, God's chosen people.
cscoles, if you are God, mail me a PS3, 360, custom gaming rig (see my article), and then I'll believe you. No, I will not tell you my address. Heck, send it to where I plan on going in the summer.
God chose the Israelites, modern day Jews, to be the people through whom the word of salvation was spread.
I wasn't really serious. Second, I don't trust a guy named "cscoles" to be omnipotent.
God would just call himself God.
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