pictures will be excellent. I don't know why the ships want to use their left broadside, but it doesn't really matter for now, and I think that the sins ships with unbalanced broadsides are armed more heavily on the left. The emitters just mean that the ships don't shoot from the right place, but are otherwise fully functional.

...is anyone else concerned that the post goes dead for five days after he made that request?

Ech sorry, I havn't been on Sins site in awhile...I've been playing WoW...MuSt....TaKe.....PHOTOS!......

Here's the thing...

I'm going off to bandcamp (band nerds FTW!) on the 22nd...and I'll be there for seven weeks.

Is there ANY chance that the alpha will be together by then?

I'll try to get you something with the one model we have that works flawlessly, so you'll get chaos cruisers and hopefully planets and the like, along with a possibility of planets. In other words, I'll try to get you everything I can from 7:30 AM (when my cs project becomes done whether I want it to be or not) on. Sorry it won't be complete, and it may take me a little while to find out which member of my slaughter collection is the right one, but I will get you something cool to play with, and I will use this as motivation to get as much work done on the alpha as I can. Have fun at band camp (I'm assuming you'll have a laptop) and come away from it sounding like (insert musician famous for skill with your chosen instrument here). Sorry that we've kind of gone dead when you really needed a surge in productivity. It won't be pretty or elegant, per se, but it should have the functional bits in so you can have fun, and inert's models look really good in game.

Wow, thanks a ton! You have 2000 points of IN? Lucky, I still only have four IN and Chaos cruisers. I've got some screenshots I've taken from a testing version, but they aren't all that impressive yet. I'm going to wait to post them till they look a bit better, because as of now the Weapon emitters arent' working right, so the ships shoot from the center. If you want to see the models, check out the gallery in our modcraft page at:

WWW Link

You're definitely on the testing list now, we'll see how soon we can get the alpha out.

That Praetorian Battleship looks rather powerful for 385 points.

I dont think i would've enjoyed fighting one back when i played BFG.

Or maybe its just been a while.

i'm confused, and unwilling to read all the posts, can someone tell me if there is actually a BFG mod in the pipe? because it would be the best thing since Chuck Norris

I will continue to be patient, in waiting for this awesome mod to be completed. I've been wanting a pc game version of BFG for so long, that my freakin teeth hurt.

As for my own fleet, im sitting on:
1 x Retribution class battleship
1 x Mars class battlecruiser
1 x Overlord class battlecruiser
2 x Lunar class cruisers
2 x Gothic class cruisers
1 x Dominator class cruiser
1 x Dictator class cruiser
2 x Endeavour class light cruisers
1 x Endurance class light cruiser
1 x Defiant class light cruiser

And the worst part is, I have a decent job, not alot of bills, and my future fleet will be gigantic in comparison to what I just listed. All told, im just shy of 2500 with this current fleet.

Augustinian: No escorts???? I mean, sure theres alotta firepower there, but your gonna get torn to shreds by anyone with escorts. Theres no way you could fend off a more manuverable attack, say by the eldar, your ships rear ends are too exposed. I mean, yes, you ahve those Light cruisers, but you still need a few escorts....

anyway, yes those light cruisers are very rare, you cant buy them anymore. Did you buy them before they went out of production? or are they scratchbuilt?

I have an Armageddon fleet list, which means i cant get Dauntlesses, but i do have access to Space Marine ships. As said before, i plan on getting two strike cruisers to fill the role of light cruisers in my fleet, and i also want some more escorts. The imperial escorts are good, i agree, but have you seen the Space marine escorts? They are faster, yet retain the same weapons. and the Nova, which is the equivilant of a firstorm, has one lance at the front which can fire in the port starboard and front arc, not just the front arc which is what the firestorm is restricted too. and, yes i agree, when i was thinking of a fleet to buy, my main aim was for a gun heavy cap-ship fleet. But then i had a battle with someone, using his SECOND fleet (omfg) using 6 imperial cruisers (2x gothics, 2 x lunars, a dictator and a dominator) and i was torn to shreds. He used his chaos fleet, which out-ranged my fleet, and out manuvered my fleet. my ships werent fast enough to get into a good firing arc, nor were they fast enough to avoid fire. i couldnt fire safely from a range, because most of my ships were limited to 30cm riring range, bar the nova cannons, and he had sufficient AC to fend off my torpedo attacks. it lasted 2 and a half hours, and at no point was i winning. in the end, i gave up and disengaged my last (abiet crippled) dictator.

At the end of it, i vowed never again would i be beaten because of lack of speed+manuvers, which is why i chose the Armageddon fleet list. Space marine ships are fast. i vowed that for every cruiser i owned, i would have a squadron to go with it. so now you see me with 4 cruisers, and 4 squadrons of escorts. i have yet to have a battle, but i am planning on a huge engagement with someone during the school holidays, using all 2000 points worth of ships. now your wondering where i am going to get my firepower from; This is where my Prætorian Steps in.

Now your wondering how im going to last, escorts cant soak up much damage now can they? Well if you work it out, im not actually losing anything in terms of the amount of damage i can take. take this example.

My Prætorian (which is exceptionally strong for a battleship, and so is why im using it as an example)at 385 points, has 12 hits, a stg 15 WB broadside, and a stg 4 lance broadside, 15cm speed, 5+ armour , 4 shields and 4 turrets.

Now, for the same points, i can get 12 Sword class frigates, which have a total of 12 hits, stg 48 WB broadside, 25cm speed each, 5+ armour, 12 sheilds (added up)and 24 turrets. Now tell me that isnt awesome.

Not only all this, but you get the added benefit of having multiple targets. Ie. the battleship would be a lumbering target, which the enemy could focus their firpower on. The escorts would be all spread out, and the enemy cannot target all of them at once, and so it is a slow and painful task of killing them one by one.

Now you think, wait, the battleship has more range. Well this is made up for by the speed of the escorts, they can charge towards the enemy to make up for the range.

One last thing, the Prætorian has 15cm speed. it MUST move 15cm before it can turn. if it is shot at, and a blast marker is placed on its base, its speed is reduced by 5cm. See where im getting at here? That means if an enemy is clever, he will continuously shoot at your battleship, not to kill, but to prevent it from turning. It will NEVER be able to turn untill it leaves teh blast marker, and until then, its a giant target, which cant turn. So off goes your battleship, off the board. its now disengaged. bugger. 385 points down teh drain.


OMG i typed more than i intended, sorry for clogging up your thread hehe. just explaining the importance of escorts, i LURRRRVVV escorts hehe. im not angry or anything, im not arguing, just saying some facts. dont be offened in anyway please  

EDIT: why dont you like tyrants? i have one with the upgrade ( i only just found out u can give the upgrade to any tyrant, not just one named the same as the one in the rulebook) and it now has stg 10 WB at 45cm range. it also has torps. i like

That's quite the fleet there, Augustinian.

Chang, I honestly don't know who's right on the matter of escorts, personally I favor attack craft because they're so fast and maneuverable, and attack through shields. If you compare an emperor to those swords, it can put out 8 bombers a turn, and if you hit a sword squadron with that, it'll lose most its ships if not all, and the Emperor will hit first due to the escorts' need to close, and this brings up the escorts' other problem. Until a cap ship is crippled, it keeps all its firepower, while any hits on an escort squadron damage its firepower. That's my reason for taking attack craft over escorts (well, that and the fact that escort squadrons are a nightmare to turn in vassal), although your reasoning is equally valid, especially considering Armageddon fleets don't get Dauntlesses, which are just absolutely fun to use (I think I'll eventually get a trio of them) and barely cripple or lose firepower when braced (1 lance and 2 wbs barely matter), so they're surprisingly durable.

Chang, that's just the thing. Once im finished collecting that armada, im fully intent on collecting more.

And you're right. I will never have the opportunity to use that huge fleet all at once. But the same could be said for my space marine and imperial guard forces for 40k. I've always had the philosophy of go big or go home. Currently have over 500+ models for my imp-guard army, and 200+ models in my marine army.

I guess one would say I have a problem and/or addiction.

But really, im just bored, and collecting these things entertains me to no end.

Anywho, to keep with the theme, the next fleet on the roster to be completed will be a marine chapter-fleet. After that, a chaos invasion force. After that, an eldar pirate lord's fleet. And so on. and so on.