Thanks as always basj. Im not in a super hurry since V1 works perfectly however I do miss the newer features. At this point I can't tell where the problem is. It could be anywhere in the system including a particular app, driver, or service. Usually issues like this occur with services because the conflict with other services. 

Some services I know that can have issues are iCue for sure. I do use it (since I have a lot of corsair products) and my next test was to try uninstalling that. However I've been up for the last 70ish hours fooling with this stuff (well and my stuff too lol) and im too tired to do it atm. I am will to to do w/e it takes to find this issue. I mean if i have to ill format and try again with w/e windows version that works.

Nope not what I meant at all. Some points to maybe help explain.

1. The app was not created by me. It's basically abandonware that I just took over. 

2. It isn't just one app. As i stated I tried it with many apps. I only "Just" did it since I really only ever used it for the one. 

3. Perhaps saying it's broken "for me" would be better? There is obviously an incompatibility that was either introduced or exposed by the changes from V1 to V2. 

4. Those changes most likely are required for groupy to work as it does but the incompatibility is definitely in there otherwise the results would be the same between versions.

5. Personally I would suspect the problem is not in my app (i say my but you know what i mean) but likely in some other software running a service. I suggested iCue because I have had issue with it before but anything that runs as a service process could potentially be the culprit.

My post wasn't meant to offend (in case it did) I'm just perplexed as I can't seem to find anything wrong. I can try to package up the app in a zip if you like. I haven't tested first run for it so you may have difficulties setting it to run. Let me know and ill toss it on OneDrive.

well i guess we are at an impasse then. Since I don't know where the problem is coming from. Like I said it happens (on my system) with every app that opens a top level window. Im sure many of which such as explorer, notepad, Edge, etc.. are fairly widely used. Since i dont know where it occurs at I can't really narrow it down. I suppose i can format and start with just groupy gradually adding drivers, apps, etc.. until i find it.

Well thanks for the consideration anyway. I might try to hammer it down further if possible. If I can ill post back here until then I'll just stick with groupy V1 

Quoting pelaird,

reply 7

Wishing you all the best on your journey.

With so many hardware and software configurations out there, it's amazing that Windows or any retail software actually work at all, especially software that hooks into Windows.   

Thanks. It can definitely be difficult tracking down incompatibilities between software. However Groupy 1 does work for me. I really need it for the multiple taskbar buttons and it does that well. So I will just use it. I'm not out anything. It just erks me when there's a problem and I can't find where it is. Sometimes just leaving well enough alone is a touch lesson to learn. : )

I did try a sandbox before. However, another odd twist. I decided to start removing things I thought might be the cause. After a while i decided to just format. After installing the latest windows 11 (GA of course) and running updates I installed groupy 2. No other software including drivers and had the same issue. Now I'm starting to think it's a hardware problem. I wouldn't think so but just in case anyone else has the same HW config here's mine

CPU: AMD 3600X (stock clocks, voltage etc..)
MEMORY: 128GB GSkill DDR4 3600
MOBO: Asrock phantom gaming 4
GFX: AMD Radeon 5500 XT

I don't have another GFX card to pop in really however my partners PC, which is similar to mine (less memory, same mobo same cpu) but hers is using the APU version (3600G) so I probably will try it on hers to see.

I will say that while it does it all the time i get less of it when I don't use any modifiers in the Manual grouping section (i.e. always combine w/o shift, ctrl, etc..). However, due to my usage I have to set it to 1 second or I'm always accidentally combining (lol). I also noticed that with groupy 1 when you go to combine (hover over a window) and the droptarget appears it will immediately disappear if i move over to the desktop. Groupy 2 does not unless I either pause for a few seconds or I release the mouse (or modifier) and then after about 2-3 seconds it vanishes.

If I'm using a modifier like shift (my preferred mod) if I release it (and hold onto the mouse button) it stays even if i move to the desktop but then when i release the mouse it vanishes. 

The sad part is I would normally have 4-5 extra junkboxes in the game room for the kids but over the past few months they have all either died or I gave them to someone. If I have to ill get a new gfx card. What really gets me is groupy 1 works flawlessly. Same HW/SW config.

On a side note I wonder if we could get other methods as well. Perhaps drawing a x pixel thick colored border would make for neat option or just a ghost tab w/o the entire window client area. Food for thought maybe.

EDIT:

I forgot my monitors

1. Primary 47" 4K@200% DPI

2. Secondary 32" Fake 4K@200% DPI (1080 Native)

Vertical layout Primary above secondary. 

Also note I have tried running native res at each dpi stage including 100% on both monitors.

HAHA yes groupy 2 works fine on her APU (w/o a gfx card) so im betting (I hope) its my old gas 5500. Cant really afford to get a new card atm the moment. what are they like 2.5 * car_note now? so i guess until then ill just have to swallow it. 

Hello,
I recently start using AMD RX 6600, I have random boot up issue on my system since I using this card. And, I found out from reading about it. Its driver issue. I need to roll back to older driver for my issue. I wonder if its the same as your issue. Driver, have you tried different driver. If you not up to the latest one, try that if you already at the latest, roll back to few version back and check.

Also, Check if the issue also happen while you only on one Monitor without that "Fake" 4K monitor (not sure what you mean "Fake")

Thanks
Basj,
Stardock Community Assistant.

I think there is also an issue with timing and modifiers. When using a modifier (I prefer shift but tried them all) the delay time is ignored. This of course is normal however when I set it to group instantly (im using 'use entire window' option) if I drag a window over another it will appear after the delay (1.3 second in my case) then moving the window slightly will close the droptarget and reopen it after another 1.3 second. All is well there. But if I use a modfier (again shift) and drag a window over another one it will appear and remain even when moving the window around (instead of close/reopen). releasing shift and moving around does not dismiss it. it will eventually disappear. I would say around 80% of the time its only a few seconds (2-3) but sometimes it can last for over a minute (thats when i see high cpu usage).

Would it possible to add the timing delay behavior even while using a modifier? 

The 6750 is a pretty good card. (It would be my buy if I wanted an AMD card)

There is also Nvidia which is a bit more expensive. But they typically have much less driver issues and the rtx models have built in AI cores (tensor cores) which could be beneficial in the coming years

Even if we are talking about gaming performance it is not so easy to determine which card is better. Typically, if we compare performance alone AMD actually has the advantage.

Where Nvidia shines is really with their tensor cores (aka built in AI). Some of the earliest developments with AI have come down to gaming, things like frame generation and ray tracing reconstruction are fine examples of how AI really helps out. However, gaming is not the full picture when it comes to how AI works. For example, Nvidia just added a new feature called rtx chatbot. Basically, this is a locally run AI chatbot (ran through the rtx's tensor cores). Microsoft, on the otherhand, uses a cloud service to make their chatbot work, which could be a privacy issue for some and also could end up being a subscription. Of course things like built in AI processors will probably do the same thing once they are released so it could end up being a wash. It will be interesting to see where AI goes in the coming years.

Don't mean to hijack your thread... I do hope you figure out your issue.

I only use Groupy with those set; the entire window and only when Shift is held.  As shown in this video, I am hovering, holding shift, releasing Shift, and the grouping behavior turns on and off (immediately) as expected:

https://cdn.stardock.us/support/uploads/2024-03-07_09-50-00.mp4

If you are asking for a modifier + a delay, I am not sure I understand the use case.  When someone holds shift, surely they expect it to happen when they do it and to stop the grouping process when released. 

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager

The actual GPU seems irrelevant to me.  What does is any overlay the software for the GPU may have... This is what a cleanboot \ Windows Sandbox (on the same PC) can help expose.

Sean Drohan
Stardock Product Lifecycle Manager