Will it be the standard 1 year grace period?
Based on the now locked Steam post, they aren’t saying. I think the lack of transparency tells you all you need to know. I guess it’s their choice to remain irrelevant until they launch on other storefronts but there’s no chance I will pay full price for this after waiting.
Yea, we can't discuss that as you can imagine. But we intend to be on all platforms eventually.
I'd say probably the first year of Early Access, that seems to be the typical time frame for these Epic exclusives. I know they can't talk about it but I can't see Stardock going exclusive for any longer than that.
I think "Non Refundable" early access tells even more. It killed the hype for me
I'm glad this game was announced !
I would wait for the release on Steam, I have no choice since my Steam wallet already has money (gift card).
I have 350 hours on SoaSE and was eagerly awaiting a sequel, Epic exclusivity completely killed any interest I had. I do not buy any game that accepts Epic's money, even after it comes to Steam. I do not support any company that does not value me as a consumer.
Sadly Ironclad/Stardock do not care about people like you or me having such a view. The deal is done, and it is not changeable at this stage, apparently.
You guys are the worst lol, imagine not buying a game that is not even that expensive because it is currently restricted to a store you dislike. Imagine being this ridiculous... they finally put in the work, money and risk into this and now you make demands as if you were some big shots... absolutely pathetic. I'll buy the game on epic AND on steam just to support Stardock, a company that was always fair in its pricing and that supports a game I bought over 13 years ago... Absolutely not understandable how entitled gamers are nowadays, they gladly pay 130 bucks for COD skins (to some soulless company) and would not even pay 40 bucks for a full retail game to people who make software and games mostly out of passion. Really do not want to sound like some fanboy here, its just very sad to read this unreasonable hate. Pls get your act together- rant over
I already started wondering where are all the white knights. Being able to start seeing that something is really off with all bits and pieces so far is like two add two now. Of course, we do not know what we will get in the end, but at the moment, there are more red flags than there should be.
Even I also don't like that EPIC shop , BUT really we have to see that such games don't have a large mass of people , who are buying such games. So if we want to have at least a chance that the game has good graphics and more game content, we have to accept that the company , who is coding such games, depend on money from everywhere , who is ready to give it to them ... I prefer that I have to wait and get a game , where there is a "chance" it is still not dumbed down for the masses, to sell more or has loot boxes and microtransactions or terrible graphics (like most slitherine/matrix games) So still waiting for Gal Civ IV ...Money rules the worlde.g.my favorite football club decided against "money from a big company" and since that time, over 20 years , we haven't won anything , only that "Red Bull" s h i t team has won everything ... and we have won the 100 years before that time, near everything !So same here, play nothing or take the money and at least be able to play it one year after release , if you hate that shop !
this is simply not true
The peak for SOSE: Rebellion was nearly 100k players on steam alone. Do not forget all the legacy players who used to buy it on discs and their launchers. For the record, the peak for Stellaris was about 60k.
We should try and break 100k.
True frog lovers unite!
It's deja vu all over again.
Now the elite whining can start all over again.
All through the Rebellion alpha we had a couple who just could not let it go.
There is a difference between criticism and cynicism.
Brad Wardell, this is what cost you my galciv4 sale. Elite galciv 3 founder edition owner too btw. So this will be costing you the sale of this as well. I'm sure you don't care anyways. You guys clearly didn't with galciv 4.
It would likely be in your best interests to find a way to discuss it so that the epic haters can be with you on this instead of against you. this deal will likely cost you more money than you'll save by going through their storefront as the people who will wait, and they will wait, will end up expecting a discount for their wait (even if there's absolutely no reason they'd deserve one... it'd just be expected because of the passage of time)
I want more than anything for this game to succeed. I deleted a paragraph filled with sadness and despair... instead I'll just say... I pray that the "eventually" you say is sooner rather than later.
I have 1000 hours in Sins: Rebellion and plenty of hours in the original Sins (plus it's DLC purchsed on disk and via impulse back in the day). I look forward to 1000 more in Sins 2 but it will not be via Epic store I can guarantee you that.
Oh good. I'm really hoping "all platforms" means GOG too.
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It would likely be in your best interests to find a way to discuss it so that the epic haters can be with you on this instead of against you. this deal will likely cost you more money than you'll save by going through their storefront as the people who will wait, and they will wait, will end up expecting a discount for their wait (even if there's absolutely no reason they'd deserve one... it'd just be expected because of the passage of time)Who would expect a game to get a discount on the day of release? lol, just because early access was somewhere obtainable before. The majority of people who will buy it anyway would hear of it after release anyway I suppose. Only the people who love RTS and Soase as a genre are inclined to buy the early access and they will be in the minority. I was kind of irritated too when I could not use my steam account to buy, but it is a simple trade off I suppose if I actually want to play the game and give feedback while development.
you're making the assumption that only early access will be on epic. that's not how their deals usually work. generally it's 1 year exclusive on epic (starting after early access ends) before you can go to other platforms. this means the game would be released for 1 year full price on epic before being available elsewhere. which means it's now considered "old" and to break out on those new platforms you would have to run a sale so that attention is brought to your game.
now if they somehow managed to get a deal to only do their early access (aka their alpha/beta period) that'd be something but is very much not likely.
I'll say everything I have to in one post and disappear again. I have limited free time and energy, and I would rather use that towards doing things I enjoy and are more relaxing (like video games). So I apologize for that. This is a pretty nuanced and challenging topic, and the same pushback you see here happens with most of Epic's exclusivity deals. Game development isn't cheap or easy, and these deals tend to offer baseline payment guarantees. That can help out with early funding and reduce the risk involved. No game is guaranteed to sell well, and nobody knows what Stardock's accounting looks like. Many developers I enjoyed have gotten absorbed or shut down over the years because they couldn't afford to keep making the games they wanted to. Gas Powered Games is the first that comes to mind. Also, Stardock isn't a one-man-band or a massive gaming studio that's 100% immune to changing market conditions. There are a lot of people that rely on the pay they receive to support themselves and their families. Even if some people don't like the decision, this provides better financial stability for those creating the game. If these Epic deals existed earlier, other devs might still be around. Potentially great games never got the chance to exist because of a lack of funding.Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion's peak players are pretty misleading. If you look at lifetime concurrent player stats on Steam across the past 10 years, it's floated closer to 1-1.5K players with some dips below that. It only had a few massive short-term spikes during two different free promotions and a humble bundle. I'd imagine a solid chunk of that activity isn't new players/buyers either. Stellaris sustains much larger ongoing player counts, and has frequent updates and DLC. They also have multiple large development teams, have a much bigger and equally loyal fanbase, and can fund everything internally. It's also a really good 4x game, which helps.If people dislike Epic's launcher, wait for the full release elsewhere. It'll be a more complete game after early access is finished. It will likely end up on GOG and Steam eventually. If people are concerned about the game quality, check out gameplay videos and wait for reviews to decide. If people dislike the price, wait a few years and buy it at a discount. If people dislike Stardock for accepting a deal with Epic and think it's a deal-breaker, then don't buy the game. Life is too short and complicated to get overly caught up or angry at a developer, person, game, or situation within this industry. At the end of the day, game developers are trying to bring something fun to others. Video games are entertainment, after all. They also have to make enough money to make that possible, and a deal with Epic is far less intrusive then some of the in-game microtransactions out there. I'm okay with the deal because it's the right thing for everyone who works for Stardock, not just Brad. Unfortunately, none of this answers the question about how long the exclusivity lasts. Nobody knows, and the contract is likely too air-tight for anyone to even hint at it. There's a decent chance of it being one of a few things:1. 1-year exclusivity, which is how Epic often structures these.2. Full early access exclusivity, estimated at 1 1/2 years based on their FAQ.3. 2-year exclusivity. So full early access + 6-month launch exclusive.Longer than 2 years seems unlikely unless they offered a long-term deal that was too good to refuse. It's equally unlikely that it's shorter than a year.
Good. You are making too much sense and what fun is that? I am not sure you should be allowed on the Internet. I have popcorn to eat.
What would be nice to know would be if multiplayer will be able to be played between both platforms. It's clear why pretty much everyone prefers Steam and it's also clear why developers like releasing on Epic. But it would be nice to think that we are supporting development of hopefully a successful remake of one of the best space games of all time and not have to buy another copy on steam in 2 years so we can play multiplayer with more than 6 people and a cat.
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