Apart from the concept of not having to micro manage every colony theres not a lot here thats in anyway an improvement
And theres a whole load thats a massive backwards step
Basically Gal Civ 4 is abysmal boring waste of time - this is what happens when you let someone who created a popular mod become a game designer
Just as Jon Schafer ruinied Civ Kael is now ruining Gal Civ 4 - he doesnt have the talent or the ability - hes so far out of his depth
Fire the moron and hire someone who has a clue before its too late
Civ 4 - Peak Civ
Gal Civ 2 - Peak Gal Civ
Space Empires 4 - Peak Space Empires
Modern games developers are absolute crap
There is a lot wrong with this game the way it is but is still only halfway through Alpha. These poor folks haven't had much of a chance to fine-tune things yet.
I say, give them that chance before making comparisons to games that have had time to mature,
@ OP: you'd get a far better chance of seeing changes that you like if you took the flies/honey/vinegar approach. Or at least a tasty vinaigrette.
We appreciate feedback and part of the point of having the game in alpha is to learn what is fun and what is not fun.
However, I am going to ask that you refrain from personal comments on individual developers. Please focus on the game, not individuals. Many people are working on making GalCiv IV the best it can be, including fans testing the game.
Thanks for your feedback.
I do agree about the planet huds getting in the way, we are working on improving them.
Likewise on the ships, we will be increasing the amount of slots and options in the next update. I don't plan on having the mass and amount of components as GC3 (mass in particular being very obscure for more casual players) and I want to keep to the "slots" system in GC4, but we need more slots and more variety of things to put in them. That change is coming.
Ship battles will be gaining more main map options. Antimatter bombs that damage all enemies in a range, Repair Drones that o out and repair a nearby fleet, Carriers that supply their fighters to all allied fleets in their radius, etc.
Civ4 is my favorite Civ as well. But I disagree about Jon, the changes he made to fix the SoD problem in Civ and in creating UI that the entire industry has adopted cannot be understated.
But I agree that Kael guy is definitely overrated.
Massive good reply Derek.like the ship designer and some of the other features are currently turned off on purpose.. the release notes even say that...
Also sometimes I have a hard time finding my units. The sizing in 3 may have no made sense but I could find my units.
I'll never understand how people fail to understand what "Early Access" means. I just went through this for over a year with Hell Let Loose. Wait, at least, until it gets to beta state before quitting.
Birds gotta fly
Fish gotta swim
Trolls gotta troll.
We should probably stop feeding this one.
I mean he's an asshole and it sounds like has beef with that other guy but he's right in general about the fun being sucked out and the interpretation of micro management, these are OCD games for weirdos they MUST be micromanaged, the whole idea of collapsing the hull points points for a cargo hull is ludicrous and just bins the entire ship building pull of the game, which is a _massive_ part of galciv for me, and to think 4x attracts "casual players" is a misreading of the market so deep my brain boggles at the mention, this is Steve Balmer telling us mobile phones won't be big and he doesn't care about that industry. Dude if anything you want to go DEEPER into the micro. I've been playing both gc3 and gc4 in tandem and gc4 so far is just a gutted and perplexing version of gc3, but with 2 main features with massive potential - planet contributors and cluster separation, the latter makes it a lot more friendly for macro planning. I mean if you want to make mobile games have at it, but i'd avoid doing that on the downlow with galciv fans.I think If you just pull out that terrible 1990's UI library and incomprehensible UX from gc3 then you'd improve upon the design infinitely, but wildly enough the frustration of the UI is _enhanced/extended_ in gc4, taking nigh on 7 seconds to open a shipyard and every build command takes a few seconds to register. Also the game is goddamn glacial by comparison, i'm still rockin 11 move units at 2.5 days worth of play (60 hours?), if you want people to playtest this thing you might consider putting some cheats up front, because after 2.5 days i can safely say i don't want to continue testing this thing because it's just sooooo yawnful, eager to get back to playing galciv3 tho, just wish it had planet contributors and clusters Oh and 4k doesn't work with "4k large ui" you have to use small UI otherwise it's all overflowing and broken, not sure why that logic was inverted, i'm sure the text/intent was opposite in galciv3.
I don't sign on for most of the language here, but for my neighborhood of the mythical market, this is spot on. I'm all for streamlining micromanagement with enriched UI (e.g. screen-advertised keyboard shortcuts, which I've never seen) and assist automation. For me, 4x needs to be 5x and the heart of that experience is depth.
Stellaris, despite my personal issues with it, is by far the best mix of playability for new folks and plenty of depth for people in it for the >1K hours of play. I don't follow game news these days but I think I saw mention that Stardockians (Brad, Derek, both?) really like Stellaris. One of my issues with that game is the comparative opacity of ship design, very unlike GC3. Even though I've almost never gone for really fine-tuned designs to oppose a specific type of other design, I've loved looking at them and knowing the potential was there if I wanted to get into it. Hopefully the chatter I've seen about 'over-simplified' ship design is an Alpha thing and not part of the destination plan.
p.s. I scoff bradleybradley's whinging about performance in a mid-stage Alpha. Of course we're going to have performance issues. Gods above, below, and sideways all know that the modern PC environment is a nine-star cluster-frak of variables, especially for high-end graphics that dance with databases and handle hungry 'AI' code. No offense bb.
The original poster clearly has frustrations with this, and to some extent I understand them. However, it's really not helpful to just flame the forum and say "everything sux!". If we want things to be different/better, we should at least offer some specifics instead of "guess again, you got it wrong".
There are a few things from the list that do specifically bother me, and I have actionable requests regarding them:
1. This is a hex-based game. We all know it. The circles do actually make it harder to tell where the border is drawn. Please just make the hex grid visible, at least when I am sufficiently zoomed in. Then I can tell when my constructor will be close enough, without any guessing.
2. The planet markers do obscure things when I zoom out a little. Please make the markers disappear unless I am zoomed in close.
3. The new queuing system is definitely more difficult to manage. While it looks flashier than the one in GC3, I don't think most of us care about flashy here -- we just want functional. Could you please just give us back the old queue management?
4. Some company out there (here) is making money selling cheats. It really is a bit tedious to get further into the game to explore more of what's new, if we have to go through all the motions. Please help us, and take away the business they have created off of this game -- either just add some basic cheats for us, or make save games editable so we can jump ourselves ahead.
Anyway -- clearly it's a ways until we call this done, and I look forward to seeing the final product, and the eventual DLC that will follow. Thank you for keeping GC alive for us!
I understand and agree on some points the OP mentioned BUT If you want to get your point taken more seriously, perhaps learn how to communicate like a civil being instead of attacking someone you seem to have a personal grudge against.
Okay I'll add my two cents...
1. Yeah - big thrills - you can draw circles - but so freaking what when you cant tell whats actually inside your circle and what isnt - if youre going to have a hex map - make the boundries hexagonal as well and draw the lines so you can see them - the amount of effort required to determine whats within a constructors sphere and what isnt is ridiculous
I would rather see hex boundries instead of circle as well, Big hexes for sectors, hex area of influence for star base ect.... say 4 tiles away or 5 tiles away in all directions, not just a circle. That would be nice and easy to understand, and cleaner as an interface.
About the same as it was in Galactic Civilizations III.
Agree, but Derek has addressed.
Everything should have a repeat option.
About the same as Galactic Civilizations III with the exception of all the diplomacy pop-ups (which they are working on).
It would be nice to have this pop last in the order of things, can this be done?
I liked all the different options available for the different modules to place on ships. This process has been simplified to this point as a vast majority of people don't add all the different things to their ships, they want it simple and clean which narrows everything down to weapons and defenses other than cosmetics (for the most part). Because of these changes it makes it difficult to merge existing ships from Galactic Civilizations III into Galactic Civilizations IV. Now if it was just the template and not all the modules, I'm not sure the reasoning on why we can't as it uses the same engine as Galactic Civilizations III. That's a question for the devs.
Surveying and collecting stealth modules ect... has been a hot topic from time to time on discord and the forums. Why doesn't this just collect so you can use all 597 collected? I agree you should be able to, otherwise why am I still surveying. I should stop after I collect a few different items so I don't waste them. Please let these stack, so I can collect 597 instead of just go to waste.
As others have stated this game is in ALPHA so therefore there are things that need to be corrected and changed prior to release. This is a great list of things you'd like to see changed, which I completely agree with some of your points. Instead of tearing down the designers of the game, lets continue this wonderful discussion to help shape the game into something great. Thanks for your feedback.
Galactic Civilizations II was a great game, too bad it didn't have the scale that Galactic Civilizations III had. If it had the scale of Galactic Civilizations III, I'd still be playing it today. I would agree that at this point it doesn't appear that Galactic Civilizations IV will match the magic that Galactic Civilizations II had, but it's also a different game. Other than being in the same universe (or galaxy) it's different, with different features and options. But yes, I'd like to see a modernized Galactic Civilizations II with bigger maps, more factions, and support to maximize the modern top end computers with 64 cores, and 256 gb of memory . Unfortunately there is no financial reason for it, so it wouldn't justify the time and effort to attempt to do it.
Thanks Derek and the team for the continued great communication with the fans and picking up on different suggestions. Let's make this game great.
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