I hate Epic Games, they are making PC gaming like console with exclusives, why do good companies do that to their awesome fan base?
So your part of the problem, I don't care if there is other launchers out there, but I do care about PC becoming another console were we have this exclusive and that exclusive. Competition is good if they spend the money to make their platform better, buts spending the money to take games away from their competition is no way to be competitive. I said it before, EXCLUSIVES ARE A CANCER TO ALL GAMERS
Spikerz I am going to say this for you and everyone else here.
You are free to buy or not buy a game. You can also voice your reasons and if that includes a preference for having a game in a prefered store/client fair enough.
But, you are not free to describe other people in our community as "part of the problem" or call our partners "cancer". That's hyperbolic toxicity and frankly not the kind of attitude we want in our community playing our games.
Be respectful, don't try to start a flame war here or you will be shown the door.
If you prefer to wait and pick the game up later that's perfectly fine. Again, we can't guarantee what, if any, other stores it will be on but we do want to be everywhere players are.
I want to play this game. I want to buy it on Steam. Is it going to be released on Steam? If so when? If never then say so.
If you read the post before yours you would have the answer.
It's ok ... I'm big enough and ugly enough to handle it It's like water off a ducks back ... I'm just loving Galciv4 and I hope the sales of the game are reflecting the recognition I believe the game deserves!
Some of you know me and some of you don't. I am Airmaster on Steam and Airmaster64 on Epic, I am also a volunteer moderator for the GC4 Workshop. I and Omnibus had the rare pleasure of being hired under contract to create the race ships for GC4, you will find my name in the games credits. Some of you also know I have provided some of the best custom content for GC3. I am sure many of you use my work in your GC3 game.
I have grown to really hate Steam. Mainly because of toxicity of users on Steam which is clearly being proven here in this thread. Steam has become just another over glorified social media platform like Facebook and Twitter you can buy and play games on. Most games reviews are not reviews, they're mostly complaints from ignorant people telling game makers how to run their businesses without having any idea themselves how to run a business. A lot of reviews do not give game play pros and cons and are mostly negative opinion hit pieces to tank a games ratings. I saw this a lot from ignorant players reviewing Stardock games. Don't even get me started on the game forums and how toxic many have become because of the toxic users who use them. There is no courteousy or respect any more on Steam except for a tiny handful of people and they are very few.
If your loyal and defend a game or a game makers company you get labeled, harassed and chastised by users on steam. So what? I am a white knight, big deal, I earned it and I am proud of it. I will defend this game and Stardock because they've earned my loyalty and my respect time and time again. Steam or Epic? It shouldn't even matter.
I have been a staunch supporter of Stardock for 11 years so it doesn't matter what platform GC4 is being sold on, I would have bought it no matter what. Why? Because I want to support Stardock regardless where they sell their games. I want GC4 to succeed, I want it to be the best one yet and I want to help it get there because I really enjoy playing the games and contributing to the Galciv Community. So it doesn't matter to me one bit whether the game is sold on Steam or Epic I bought the game for one good reason only, to support Stardock and express my loyalty to them being the great game makers they are.
Personally i am switching between different launchers more and more often. I am using Epic, Steam and the microsoft store.
Is it more convenient for me as a customer to have everything in one store? Yes of course. But in the end the games industry is not the same as back in the 2000s.
In terms of Steam what i strongly dislike is the way how the review system is used and abused in this day and age. At least in steam the game is not the product anymore. It is the dopanie rush people are getting from negative and angry reviews.
Often is goes like this: The person is angry his favourite streamer was not given the possibility to play the game before launch. Then he buys the game and stays under the 2 hour test period. He writes a bad review not about the game, but how the marketing and streaming campaign was handeled. Then he refunds the game. (Warhammer Total War 3)
After this the person goes over to twitter, reddit and metacritic. Reddit and twitter blow up and youtube content creators and twitch streamers who profit from the negative game news more than from positive take up the story and "sell" it to their audience. Because it generates a lot of klicks for them. (Warhammer Total war 3) (People asked for a roadmap, the devs gave them a roadmap. People were still angry, because it was not the roadmap they wanted and review bombed the game even more...)
After 2 weeks everybody has forgotten about the game and the reviews. But even when the developers change and improve the game, people rarely go out of their way to change the reviews back to positive.
I have seen this times and times again.
Stardock has earned my trust since Galactic Civ 2 and Sins of Solar empire. The company is providing me with great content and is always willing to listen to community feedback.
When i look at the games industry today Stardock is one the rare companies where i can defenetly say "Yes, they will manage to improve their game".
Don't ask me how many times i was burned by other companies with strange lootbox schemes or unfinished products.
Galactic Civ 4 is on Epic now? Ok then i will play it over the epic launcher. Stardock says they will add mod support later? In terms of Stardock i know they will work on it.
I actually can't believe how many people have this attitude of "I am not buying this unless it is on Steam, guess I'll just wait a year". Yeah I get it, it is inconvenient to have games on multiple launchers. But that is your dealbreaker?
I understand the argument that exclusives are bad. But it seem bad to me when I have a Playstation, but a game is an XBox exclusive. Why? Because I literally cannot play it, due to not having an XBox - I have to spend a lot of money just to make it available. The thing is though, I have a PC. And this game is on PC. So yeah, I can play it, no problems there. I mean, I guess I need to download free launcher software (oh no!!!!!). It doesn't seem like a big deal.Everyone has their moral stances or whatever, so objecting on moral ground is something I can't really argue with. But when the only hurdle is "download this other free launcher", it seems like a lot of these complaints are a little bit much.
I'm not going to go back to credit the poster by name (it may have been Brad), but the post relating to games and the steam workshop a decade ago has been on my mind while reading these types of complaints over the more recent years. *That* was an annoyance. The idea that I would walk into a store, buy a boxed game, put the DVD into my PC, and then need to download a substantial portion of the game from Steam/login to Steam to play/etc.... that was a reason to not buy a game.
Having to use one store versus another? Come on. We do this every day for items we purchase.
Except a store doesn't get to follow me home, rifle through all of my financial papers and spy on what I'm doing. An application arbitrarily installed on my computer where my files are carries that risk. So I have to trust said application, which implies trusting its authors / publishers. And, as mentioned before -- I do not trust Epic. Steam has earned some trust and is tolerated (but kept an eye on as best I can). I'd much rather buy direct from Stardock as mentioned and forget the whole launcher anyway. But as with most things in the software world, I'm apparently in the minority on these views and accepted it long ago.
Just please don't assume people you disagree with are doing so for such vapid straw man reasons as "Another icon to click? Oh noes!". It does a disservice to your arguments since that's rarely the core of the issue for anyone.
And yes -- when Steam started (Civ V was this in my case) the whole pointless DVD especially because Steam would never use those files but would re-download the whole thing [keeping in mind this was before widespread broadband]), that was more than a little annoying and not looked at fondly.
This whole argument of Steam Vs. Epic is in my opinion absolutely pure nonsense
I have Steam, EPIC and Blizzard Games Battle Net for StarCraft 2 and Heroes of the Storm. Blizzard made games are can only be played exclusively on Battle Net. If you own a Blizzard game you don't have a choice but to use BattleNet to play Blizzard Games.
I have never seen anyone say they won't play StarCraft because it's not on Steam. If you bought StarCraft I or 2 on CD it installs Battle Net in order to play them. How many of you play Warcraft? I sure no one will say they won't play it because it not on Steam or boycott Blizzard because they're games are exclusive to Battle Net.
I also have nVidia Experience games hub and HP Omen gaming hub both of which put all my games in one neat little basket I can launch and play every game I have from regardless what platform I bought it from.
Again this whole argument is ignorant hypocrisy and absolutely absurd and pointless. Either buy it now and play it on EPIC or wait until it's Stardock decides to sell it on steam. Truthfully speaking what are you missing? Nothing really.
Furthermore if anyone here had cared to do the resrarch Tencent absolutely does not pass malware or spyware through the EPIC Games store. EPIC Games does not sell your personal information to China. As far as hacking every gaming platform has hackers. As for Epic games not allowed in China, go figure, it's a communist nation which demands control of what they allow their citizens to have and not have.
Stop with the conspiracy theories. There is no proof, just unproven accusations and rumors started by some guy who admitted he has no software experience or proof. If anyone bothered to research it would have found all this non sense regarding EPIC Games and Tencent is a fabricated conspiracy theory weaved into a hoax by paranoid, ignorant gamers who failed to look it up and find out.
Your only choice here is buy it now on Epic or buy it later if it comes to Steam. Knock it off with the conspiracy theories and exclusive non sense. Brad has repeatedly said they want to eventually sell on Steam when the time comes.
Can you get over your paranoia about Epic Games?
Actually, I believe what Brad said was he "wants" to eventually sell it on Steam.
It isn't a conspiracy theory to say I don't trust software by major companies (including Epic) by default. End users being the product for our ad-based culture is a known thing, after all.
I don't run BattleNet either (having zero interest in StarCraft or whatever, so it never really came up) -- and would again think long and hard before trusting their launcher. No idea why you call that "hypocrisy" -- I tolerate Steam only because it has earned a modicum of trust over the years. The second they break that trust (like 2K did with their Civ launcher a while back), I'll remove it. Epic hasn't earned any trust for me, and I'm fine with waiting as I said before. I'd rather buy it from Stardock (who *has* earned my trust). (Oh, and I don't trust GeForce Experience since they went account only and added all the Telemetry processes either... none of this is aimed at EGS, I'm just particular about what I allow to execute).
Keep in mind, I'm not saying those of you who do trust EGS are wrong -- that's for you to decide. Just that it isn't simply a "another launcher" issue for some of us. Attacking that as "paranoia" or "hypocrisy" doesn't persuade anyone.
No argument there.
It all fine and dandy that you don't trust Epic but don't spread conspiracy theories, unproven rumor and accusations about Epic that have been proven to be false yet continuing to be spread with hypocrisy and paranoia.
You're going to have to show me where I did so. Closest I can see is that I pointed out that *any* application running on my computer is a security risk, unlike "going to a store". I don't see where that's spreading "rumor and accusations", it is a known fact. That I include Epic in the "unvetted and therefore untrusted" list is my decision, not "spreading paranoia".
Yes right here. You are spreading a conspiracy theory, false accusation and rumor that has been proven to be untrue and false. Stop it.
That is not a conspiracy theory, accusation or rumor. That applications carry risk to install/run on your computer is pretty much a fact. Or is the entire software security industry just make-work? That therefore I have to consider whether I trust the author(s) is again not conspiracy, accusation or rumor -- it is true irrelevant of the author. Some I trust, some I grudgingly trust based on experience. Most that I do not know, I do not trust. Other people make their own choices.
I never said "Everyone should know EGS is spyware" which is how you seem to be taking this. Only that I *do not trust* companies by default and will not install their software by default, and hence that it isn't just "having another icon". There is a huge difference between those statements, and I hope you come to see that.
This will be my last reply on the topic probably -- since if you don't see that, I don't see how there's a constructive dialogue, and since your repeated demand is that I stop, that will suffice in any event. I've made my point as eloquently as I'm apparently capable at the moment -- apparently that's not very well at all from your response. Such is life.
Okay, a reminder: Be respectful, don't try to start a flame war here or you will be shown the door.
This back and forth is clearly not going anywhere good so I advise taking a step back.
You implied here that Epic Games installs malware and spyware which has been proven to be false.
"Except a store doesn't get to follow me home, rifle through all of my financial papers and spy on what I'm doing."
I encourage you to continue discussing it but please do not spread rumors, accusations and conspiracy theories proven to be false. That's is all I'm asking.
This is better than a soap opera.
I'm still bitter about Impulse. I bought a bunch of non-SD games through there that had to be repurchased through Steam when Impulse died. Not doing that again, not for Epic, not for anyone.
I'm going to ignore most of your post as it mainly contains conspiracy theories, and an unnecessarily personal and insulting tone (which I did not appreciate).
However, I did want to point out that you are accusing me of using a straw man argument while simultaneously misrepresenting the content of my post in order to dismiss my opinion. You should really look up the definition of a straw man argument before lobbing the accusation against someone else.
But surely, SDF-7, you felt the same way at the beginning of your online relationships with Stardock and Steam that you - apparantly - feel now about Epic?
I get that loading Epic, etc is for some people a leap of faith given the risks of targeted marketing, etc etc (disclaimer: I don't really care about targetted advertising/emails etc. It's not like I'm actually buying what they're selling. I praise the Delete function.), but to be fair to Epic and other companies, they can't earn your trust if you won't give them the opportunity.
the ONLY games this did not work on was EA Origin games like Mass Effect, but those were linked in the Origin account anyway...There should have been no reason at all that you would have to buy a game a second time....
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