I just saw a report watching nbc news. Its about the laundry pods used to do laundry. They're brightly colored and look like big candies. Ergo...children love candy and these pods are very tempting. Two deaths...several comas... and a few cardiac arrests later doctors say that you should use traditional detergents, make sure the zip lock bags they come in and actually zipped and to keep all detergents out of the reach of children. My question is this......
Why the hell don't the powers that be suggest/force these companies to make then less enticing/tempting for children. Adults can read, they know what they're getting and hopefully comprehend what they're reading. But for whatever reason these things just keep on happening. When are people going to learn a little common sense. It appears that common sense may be an alien concept to them. Either that or they just don't give a damn.
Toxic and potentially toxic products should be kept well out of reach of toddlers, just as the handles of pots and pans on a stove should not be visible from the toddler's height. Electric sockets not in use should be capped. Sharp corners should have foam rubber protectors, etc.
The list is long, but the toddler's safety is the parents', guardian's primary responsibility. This does NOT absolve nor should it be construed to mean manufacturers are absolved of responsibility for their products. Quite the opposite.
However, the child's safety is the care giver's ultimate responsibility and that means defensive consumerism: THINK! "What would this look like to my child?". "Is this potentially a disaster?". If there is no choice but that product, the next thought should be, "How can I keep this out of those busy little hands?".
If the parent doesn't think like that, it's negligence. All this stuff used to be taught in school (home economics). I guess the new math is more important than a child's safety and adequate, responsible parenting. If the negligent parent/s were visibly punished, there'd be a far lower child mortality/morbidity.
With all the other things in the news about parents, i.e. a husband and wife found passed out in their car from being drunk with a 4 year old in the back seat here in Indiana. Kids shooting themselves with a parents gun, twice in the last month! You name it! It is NOT a companies fault, it is not the product, it is about STUPID, DUMBASS, IDIOTIC, BRAINLESS, WITLESS human beings that have no right to even create a child!
Some people should flat out have their children taken away from them! Use of common sense seems to be lacking within the entire human race nowadays! Just my personal opinion.
Well... This IS a rant thread.
Responsibility is shared between parents, product manufacturers, advertisers, stockholders. We're all connected. We live in a pervasive web of sometimes perverse and cleverly disguised persuaders' messages. Lightstar rightly points out one example of a set of parents that somehow slipped through the Darwin Awards selection process. (sad) Doc points out some basic, common sense practices that everyone should be taught in our educational system. (Its easier to start making a baby than it is to get a drivers license - that's sad.) However, no matter how smart some people are, the hidden persuaders are now seemingly warp and woof of our first world civilizations. I do disagree with Doc one one point: parents who fail at being responsible parents should not be 'punished.' Rather they should be forced to learn better parenting skills. And the legal system needs to be revamped to support this - and remove money from the equation. If this last step is not implemented, the affluenzia defense will still shelter the rich teens from the consequences of their actions, thus shielding their parents from responsibility for inadequate parenting.
There's a fine line to be drawn when it comes to saying that parents are entirely responsible for (and should be entirely accountable for) the behavior/actions of their children. Some of the finest people I know have had children who made their lives miserable by acting out in nefarious ways. Also know some who virtually neglected their children, only to have them turn out to be fine people & model citizens.
While we should as a society have a level of expectation of responsibility when it comes to parenting, deciding what that level should be is the tricky part. Putting 100% of the onus on parents gives a problem child incredible leverage, a club to wield against essentially defenseless parents, and don't think for a moment they don't know it - they may be immature but they are anything but dumb.
Educating people to be better parents can't hurt, but there are some kids who cannot be adequately parented, no matter how knowledgeable & conscientious the parents.
Both the OP and I were very clearly referring to babies/toddlers.
I referred to education and the education which should be given and made requisite for a high school diploma. When children are left in cars in the summertime, despite multiple clear warnings on media, punishment is necessary. Also, if states/boards of ed. ever get their values straight, and parenting/home ec/civics are taught, as they should be, then "I didn't know" will not be acceptable. Negligence is negligence, even in the absence of those courses. When pregnancy is diagnosed, parenting courses should become a legal requisite.
I also wrote:
I'm sorry, but little kids put all kinds of shit, including shit, into their mouths. Yes, infants and toddlers will actually eat shit on occasion, I myself was fortunate to only have an obsession with putting rocks, penny's and, at one point when I was three, a particularly tasting looking fly into my mouth, but there are somewhere north of three million actual shit eaters in the US, who at one point tried, or even took a liking to, the consumption of their own crap. Going apeshit over what a laundry detergent packet looks like isn't really helpful here. Kids will literally eat anything. There are at least two disorders when the little bastards will keep eating things even after discovering that they taste awful. They're not eating these things because they're bright and colorful, they're eating them because they're within arms reach. The kids would have been pretty likely to grab a handful of detergent and pop it into their mouths too.
Only really fucking stupid parents do things like leave laundry soap arranged in convenient, bite size, rapid dissolving packets, in reach of infants. It's got nothing to do with the product though, they're just as stupid if they let them near loose change.
Absolutely. It's a form of exploration. Probably need to be more concerned if a little kid doesn't put anything into his mouth. You just have to keep that stuff secured.
That's the whole point. Whether its laundry detergent or guns, the result is the same. Kids die due to the negligence of parents/guardians. Children are our most precious resource and no other priority is greater.
I blame dumb ass lazy parents for the most part.
I think if you would have not included this statement some of this conversation would not be as it is. In your post #9 along with others some of the correct information is being said.
As far as mentioned above kids will put about anything in their mouths that is correct. But as Doc and others have said seems this younger generation of parents need to go to classes and told about this stuff. Common sense doesn't appear to be part of growing up anymore. I and all my friends have never had a problem with our children getting into medicine, soaps, etc. or going into any places they weren't allowed. All it was about is starting children at a very young age what the word "NO" means. Doesn't seem to be the case with children anymore. Just go to a toy store or even a place to eat with smaller children. Oh, you hear the parent many times say no. However they say it over and over again and when they don't stop the parent just laughs it off and gives up. In other situations they just give in to buying the toy or letting them throw their food. My children weren't perfect but they did know what no meant and have respect. Not much respect now a days from not all but most of the younger people and not just young children. If you don't see that total lack of respect for a persons property and towards you in general you just don't ever get out. Thank goodness there are still a few good one around where I am.
This thread is one of those that opens opinions. I said my 2 cents worth and that is all I have to say. Guess I actually said anything because I'm sick and tired of this politically correct World. Say or write something now that use to be a joke years ago and everyone knew that, say it now and you may have the Police knocking on your door, losing your job, etc.
Understand. Sorry to have taken it a little OT. Needless to say, protecting toddlers/babies is a different kettle of fish, witness people 'forgetting' their infant is in the car in Phoenix in the middle of the summer.
I hear you Daiwa. Problem I have is I don't think they ever forget. Think they believe it's only a minute or 30 minutes and all will be well. A parent should never do that for any reason. How about the stupid people that think it's fine to leave their animal in the auto. doesn't matter if it's hot, cold or nice out it shouldn't be done.
I know I'm old but it just saddens me to try and understand why people do what they do much to often. They should just plain know it's wrong.
I can't fathom the pain of losing a child, a very strong motivator for protecting them, which makes it hard for me to understand how a parent could be so cavalier.
I lost my first born but due to illness. Also lost my wife of 44 years. I had enough and would like my time when it comes without losing anyone else I love.
Not a rant....
Just something worth a look....
Edit ....bollocks...they get you with your links...
It's about the first clinical trial of a cure for Alzheimer's ... started in Melbourne late last year.... now entering second stage large scale trials...
...and so far it works...
When my kids were inquisitive toddlers [and they didn't have a mother around to care] I kept everything harmful to them well out of sight and reach, or I locked it away in a cupboard to which I had the only key[s[.... and like my wallet, my keys were always in my pocket.
As a single parent I had to be more vigilant and responsible, and I was, but I don't care who you are, you cannot watch your children every moment of their waking lives... it's just not possible. I know that my kids would wait until I was busy vacuuming or something to sneak off and get into mischief. It's only be when I turned of the vacuum cleaner, and everything was unusually quiet, that I'd figure something was up. Luckily, I made the home as safe as I could, so it was usually something less ominous, though still naughty.... like taking a cake out of the fridge and hiding under their beds while they ate it.
For the most part, though, my kids were pretty good when growing up... not that I can say the same for my son now. While I will always love him, he has become somebody I do not like and find hard to tolerate. I'll not go into all that here, but suffice it to say that he became the complete opposite of how I raised him.
Exactly! I have a daughter I raised with the same love and discipline, etc, and she has become a great and mother who does her best. She is doing it tough at the moment, but she's not out stealing or dealing drugs to get out of it. No, she is much better than that and thanks me for all I did to help her become who she is today. I see her and the grandkids regularly and I do what I can to help, so I'm happy.
Anyway, getting back to the OP, I believe companies who make harmful to children products should be responsible for making then less attractive to tots... and to make them more 'childproof' with less easy to open caps/lids, etc. It's like Alana said, we are all connected and should all play our part to provide safety for our children.
As for the "lazy" and 'stupid" parents some here have criticised and/or condemned, not all parents whose children get injured, poisoned or into mischief are necessarily stupid or lazy. Like I said before, nobody can watch their kids 24/7.... and accidents happen... often at the most inopportune times when one's back is momentarily turned. Having said that, however, there are some stupid, lazy and neglectful parents who should never have children. I cannot excuse those parents who leave their unsupervised kids in cars [hot or otherwise] while they are off doing whatever... or those who leave their kids home alone and expect the eldest to be mother, father and supervisor all at once.
I once knew a woman who'd leave her 4 youngest under the supervision of her 10 year old daughter while she went to the pub drinking and gambling on poker machines. I told her: "Do it once more and I go to the authorities." She did so I did. The kids were taken off her, but instead of cleaning up her act to get he kids back, she continued to drink, gamble and slut around. She eventually drank herself to death... not that she was a great loss to those kids. The eldest was 30 something when I last saw her, and she thanked me for what I did, saying the she and her brothers and sister are doing akay after being kept together and growing up on a farm with 2 loving foster parents.
Sometimes there's a happy ending.
To quote a mutual friend: "If they remember where it's being held."
Question: Who do I write to when Jafo hijack's my thread?
No one. There is a time to complain and a time to be quite. This is the time to be quite.
Jafo has so much shit stored in his brain I don't think any of us would ever win.
Then I'll try to be quite quiet.
Btw...I was being ironical.
Look, bad things happen to bad parents but good parents are not immune. In order for nothing to go wrong ever with your children you would have to have eyes in the back of your heads and be watching them both ways 24/7. There have been plenty of cases that you read about in the news where an unfortunate situation occurred because a parent took their eye off their child for a few seconds. Up until that point there was never a problem and the parent was known to be a caring loving caregiver. One blink of an eye later they are now labeled as neglectful or worse child abusers. I have 2 children and my ex-wife was a wonderful mother. I will not forget the time when she was changing my son's diaper and had set the spoild diaper off to the side to go get some wipes. it was only a few seconds but by the time she returned my son had rolled to where the diaper was and began chowing down on it like it was ice cream. Then there was time when I was a young boy and threw our cat in the dryer, tipped over the laundry basket and crawled upon the lid and turned the dryer on. My mother had ignored the thumping sound for a few minutes because she just figured I threw a sneaker (runner for some of you) in the dryer. The rain falls on the just and the unjust and sometimes it does not matter whether you are a good or bad parent, shit happens, no pun intended. For the most part we all turn out all right. My cat lived albeit a bit more fluffy and my sore ass recovered quite nicely and my son never ate another shit-filled diaper again.
Now, what sort of punishment can we give to folks who don't use paragraphs?
Death by ruru?
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