Where the vasari starbases would be the fastest (we'll call this 100% starbase movement speed)
Advent starbases would move at 50-75% of this speed,
and TEC starbases would move at 25-35% of this speed.
This would ensure that all starbases are useful in defending their gravity well. This also adds to the game's skill requirement as all the main defenses in the game aren't quite so static.
This would also be a way to start to balance the vasari rebel's phase jumping starbases so that the vasari rebel tactical advantage isn't so huge when they use their starbases in a gravity well.
To me it seems that devs vision on this particular thing - starbase movement - was to give it to Vasari SB exclusively as part of their mobility doctrine. I agree, its quite noticeable and simple - yet somehow, you refuse to acknowledge it.
The other thing, so you agree with my observation, that you consider Vasari "toys" to be cooler (than the other races stuff?)? The question is, why dont you like/play Vasari then? To prove, how stubborn and persistent are you? To whom? Does anyone care, but you?
Anyway, if you insist, that TEC and Advent are not cool enough, why dont you suggest something truly cool and fitting their theme (economy/culture) instead of giving them something, what is obviously meant to be Vasari strong-point? Similarly, with that "give TAR to everyone" idea...
Today i saw some neat idea about making the culture automatically colonise neutral worlds...this is kind of idea, you should be coming with instead of this crap. Its elegant, fresh, gives the culture new dimension and arguably needed usefulness, and it would perfectly fit the Advent. But i believe, it was someone else proposing it...why not you? Or is the culture "doctrine" not as cool as mobility one to you? So we return to original question, why do you insist on "liking" Advent more than Vasari again?
@ timmaigh
And here is why I really don't listen to lickspittle like you timmaigh, because I was the first person to suggest this idea that you seem to enjoy so much. Perhaps you should read with UNDERSTANDING instead of reading like an idiot. If you would like me to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to everyone on these forums about how much of an idiot you are, I will do so right now. I am not stating my perception that you are an idiot because i just think so arbitrarily, no, i will prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Is this really what you want? I give you the choice whether to have me lop off your balls for the whole forum to see.
Well this became personal fast...
So i am idiot, because i did not know, it was you, who suggested the thing first, at some point before? How would reading with UNDERSTANDING help me to find that out?
Anyway, you can do as you please in front of the whole forum. The whole forum can see, who is the one condescending himself to ad hominem attacks and surely they will make their own opinion.
Not my fault. It would be enough to point out that i am wrong, because it was him to suggest the thing first... i would even apologise in such case, because i did not really know...obviously i havent read every single topic on these boards for last 4 years... but clearly "yelling", calling names probably makes ones argument stronger or something, so why keep it civil...
everyones is just antsy cause there hasn't been a patch
Reading with understanding initially would have ensured that you understood my initial point, instead of baselessly opposing it.
I am glad you agree with me you are idiot, as you now you have proven so to the rest of the community and saved me the trouble. I now have no need to prove to the community by your own admission.
Its not an ad hominem attack when I explain with reasons that destroy your weak claims. I'm not stating that you are wrong for no reason, you should use your brain and logic to realize that in fact I am completely spot on. Its just that i'm trying to force an idiot to think, and most everyone with some experience should know how difficult that is.
Now that our open, yet personal discussion is aside, and everyone can see how easily an opponent to this idea has fallen, any more people want to debate the issue with me?
Yep that is what I told Yarlen directly via a PM.
Actually the topic was posted a month or so ago, and I know you've been active, and I know you read the post by your own admission. Name calling is baseless, yet when a person admits to the fact that they are say an "idiot", it ceases to become baseless as the person has publicly stated before the population that they actually identify with that name. I also have not lost any honor, as you gave me permission to follow this line of thinking. You can't really apologize for your choices unless you apologize to yourself, as you haven't hurt anyone but yourself via your decisions.
Seeing that you two are the only ones debating the issue your probably the only ones that cares about it enough to post it.
relax folks.... everything will be fine
otherwise vasari SB will eat both of u
Na, the merits of the post stand for themselves, the discussion is thorough, many feel the need not to post because it is thorough, and who would want to deal with me when i'm obviously making an example of timmaigh?
Its become our little romance, a training session of sorts.
I did not baselessly opposed your initial point, i referred to what Seleuceia wrote to oppose you. I agreed with him.
So calling someone an idiot is not ad-hominem attack, but "destruction of weak claims"?
Yeah, clearly there are dozens of people impatient to debate with you, especially after you youve been conducting yourself here.
There you go, not reading with understanding or reason.
You can't say I called you an idiot, as you admitted to being an idiot, you also gave me permission to prove that you are idiot if I ever so desire.
I conduct myself with honor, the simple fact that you cannot see it just means that you need to upgrade your understanding.
Here I am acting with honor trying to upgrade your understanding in full view of everyone.
the training session continues. I have endless patience for these sorts of discussions.
Just so you know, you can still act with honor and be upset. Its just I don't cross certain lines unless you give me permission, and you just didn't realize that you were in fact giving me permission, allowing me to cross those lines.
I tried to explain this to you using emotionally charged terms so that no matter how much you didn't read with understanding, even you would get it. Yet your failure to read with understanding still prevented you from understanding what I was saying.
Btw, honest question, why would the Advent move faster than the TEC and not the same speed?
Because theyre cooler.
they seem
more advanced then tec... look @ ship design and abilities...
I think one of the Advent starbases should be able to do infrequent phase jumps within the systems where they have culture effects.
The other Advent faction could have a synergy effect with starbases that increases the range and firepower of planet modules and strike craft in addition to any other buffs they have--letting them range with Ogrovs and the Orkulus.
I don't think everyone's starbase should phase jump between planets.
The TEC's double-rainbow starbases are already there and you just need one other thing for the other to compensate. I'd say an ability that only effects starbases and acts like a in-system novalith against them--put it on defense turrets and scale-stack it accordingly.
Got an idea.
What if instead of making the other starbases move something more solid was done. At this point most of the starbases are irrelevant so in my opinion upgrading them would do good.
How about the advent starbase gets like a 50% increase in its max starfighter capacity and instead of getting that psionic wave attack it gets beam weapons (which can be upgraded using research)
The TEC starbase could get a 33% increase to health and shields and the upgrade for trade that you can give them could be upgraded by 33% also to make it more viable economically.
Both tie in with their races strengths and so are more acceptable than making them able to move (not saying it was a stupid idea but it's sort of short-sighted.
Cause Sareth is gay... ups .. i mean advent
BUt if the Advent SB was faster than the TEC one the TEC one would probably have to have a minor buff in other areas to maintain balance unless the TEC SB has an advantage over the Advent SB that I'm not aware of.
Make corvettes into capital ships for everyone except the Vasari. Then it will be balanced for you.
I like that.... Make them build instantly to.
First of all, great question.
Because big red button is far more dangerous on a moving starbase then the advent meteor. Big red button destroys entire fleets/ entire defenses when a starbase is built, all for the cost of 1 starbase and 1 big red button starbase upgrade. To balance it out, you need it to move at a crawl. The strategic advantage of this starbase moving at a crawl would be that if you scout a gravity well with one, you may or may not know where it will be in say 10 minutes. It adds a bit more excitement and need to scout so that players have to be a lot more careful attacking the TEC in the endgame. It would also give TEC loyalists a great buff, and give them the ability to actually have the "strong defense" they are supposed to have. It would be strong, yet slow. Balanced.
The advent starbase should also be slow(and they would be at 50% orkulus speed, in other words, slow), so that it can't easily catch an enemy fleet with its mass disorient and meteor. Yet at the same time this combo's effectiveness isn't nearly as immediate, and a fleet can still survive two hits from meteor and escape easily(if you time mass disorient right, meteor only gets two shots before its effect ends). This is more balanced then having the TEC starbase move quicker then the advent starbase. Also, it gives the advent starbase the chilling ability to catch your fleet against your will(remember it needs a lot of upgrades to do this, with very expensive research). This ability makes advent starbases a lot more interesting, even if it will be mostly avoidable. Yet even slow starbase movement allows for a LOT more tactics and strategies. Remember guardians can already do this to some degree, push your fleet into a fully upgraded advent starbase, its not like this is nothing new.
I think its a terrible idea because the vasari rebels already have this, and here is why. This would actually detract from vasari rebel's unique game design. Good job sarcasm daddy, please get my COFFEE! Giving some races star bases a little movement is one thing, yet just outright giving advent a phase jumping starbase does nothing to help them. I don't want the advent to be able to phase jump their starbases, as they arent' that kind of species. Sinperium, you don't have to take it to such extremes, with my idea i'm dealing with something precisely balanced here. Extreme suggestions aren't conducive to balance. My extreme personality just hides the fact that i'm actually asking a small change in the game.
If you want to force ships in range of an advent starbase, you just build guardians. So, having a moving advent starbase doesn't change the fact that the advent could already do this. I'm not adding any hidden super advent combo either, I'm quite plainly asking for a simple, necessary fix that all races need to deal with 2 vasari titans in a gravity well, something that both vasari factions can construct. If we go with the simple math of titans, 2 titans beat 1 titan. Heck the vasari starbase doesn't even sap experience from their titan so the titan will level quickly.
Moving Red Button...... Just when you thought you were safe....
He's liking that sarcasm now.
The whole idea of Sins has always been to have an asymmetrical balance--meaning, "equal but different".
"Fixing" balance by making it more symmetrical isn't what the game is balanced for and dumbs down the concept rather than makes it "better".
We could just have the TEC and Advent SBs automatically spawn a corvette every second. Maybe the SB could say, "Unleash Mortal combat!" every time it popped one out.
Yes i can say you called me an idiot, it is there for everyone to see... post 52 of this thread.... you can tell whatever you want, but all your "reasoning" and "understanding" wont cover this simple truth. Additionally you called me what...eh, "lickspittle". Whatever that is.
No, calling other people idiots is not conducting yourself with honor. the simple fact you cant see that, means most likely you are just a kid. In which case my bad, even reacting to your posts in the first place. If however youre are not, perhaps you should stop acting like one.
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