To my mind, the beauty of Sins of a Solar Empire derives from its comfort with ambiguity and room for interpretation. Players are free to participate in the story in a variety of ways, if only by dictating how their fleets behave during Sins games. With the exception of competitive multiplayer (in which culture and diplomacy are less efficient than orbital bombardment), players can choose to be ruthless warlords, gentle diplomats, or puppet masters. Victory can be achieved by inciting planetary populations to revolt, making peace with enemy leaders, or scouring enemy planets of all life.
It is possible to construct vignettes based on individual events in any given game. It's possible to interpret cultural overthrow of a planet as defiant citizens taking to the streets... or King Mob duped by propaganda. It's possible to imagine citizens of all three empires taking to their bunkers and shelters in the event of orbital bombardment. And it is possible to imagine the view from the comparatively calm bridge of a starbase or capital ship as battle rages around.
On a higher level, each faction is subject to interpretation. Are the Advent justified in their crusade, or are they genocidal lunatics? Is the TEC the underdog or a sleeping giant? Are the Vasari little more then than the arrogant, decadent remnants of a stolen empire, or are they sympathetic in their obvious desperation?
In a game that asks questions like those above, it doesn't really matter what the Vasari are running from. What matters is that they're here, they've been on the run for ten thousand years, and they're growing desperate as the stalemate continues. Though the policies and instruments of their fallen empire served the Vasari faithfully during their long journey, they are now faced with the unyielding TEC and the equally stubborn Advent. Time is running out, and the Vasari must adapt or die. A schism is growing within the Vasari ranks: some wish to adopt scorched earth tactics, others want to encourage the TEC and the Advent to go into exile with them.
That said: though the above premise is sufficient to enjoy the game, it's still fun to speculate.
What we know:
Points for consideration:
Premises and conclusions:
Regardless: I'm convinced that there is no conventional solution to whatever the Vasari have unleashed. I feel that the only way the Vasari can survive is by acknowledging the Advent and the TEC as peers, calling for a cessation of hostilities in the face of a greater threat (after all, are the Advent and the TEC willing to bet their lives on the possibility that whatever is following the Vasari is hostile only to the Vasari?), sharing all the information they have on the anomaly, and making a stand against the threat -- because I'm pretty sure that if Advent Psitech, TEC industry, and Vasari engineering can't beat this thing, nothing can.
After all: sooner or later, the Vasari will run out of places to run. What better time and place to stand their ground than with the only two races in their history to give them pause?
What say you?
Dude, before you waste typing out that long winded exploit, would it have killed you to do a forum search? This place is littered with these deadend forums.
Until we are told other wise by the game itself of the admins just wait in silence. Just another waste here
Instead of wasting a post to belittle this guy for proposing an idea, why don't you just be silent? Not like this forum is incredibly lively anyways...
On topic: Those are interesting ideas. I was thinking more along the lines of the accident creating some worm-hole thing in phase space, and some other race, even more advanced than the Vasari, came through and started slaughtering everything immediately. Like the Dominion from Star Trek on steroids.
I actually quite enjoyed it especially since I recently had to go through all my notes on the matter
hey Frostflare, keep on the good thinking..I quite enjoyed your ideas; though I have a different thought about what they might be running from.
I figured out that I would let you the link to a post I've just created a few days ago. <https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/416091>
hope you enjoy it as well.
I like the idea of Psychic beings because it would sort of make sense for why some of the advent rebelled.
I did a forum search. I didn't see anything that gathered all the evidence to the extent that I did.
As for waiting for the devs to reveal the truth behind the Vasari exodus, I addressed that in my original post:
To be honest: whatever the developers reveal will probably not please EVERYONE, but it's threads like these (which the developers DO read) that give the developers new ideas and new directions that can come CLOSER to pleasing everyone.
Consequently, I don't see how amassing evidence and making speculation is a waste of time at all.
So... why, out of curiosity, did you find yourself compelled to go through your notes on this subject recently?
I hadn't considered that. I'll add it to the OP, with credit to you.
Frostflare what do you think of this.
"For the first time in their history, the war creates a schism in the Advent Unity. The loyalists seek to continue their policy of revenge against the Traders, and to assimilate all others to the Unity’s influence. However, others amongst the Advent suspect that a corrupting influence from within has diverted the Unity from its proper destiny."
perhaps whatever is getting closer is effecting the Advent. Making one of the portions of the Advent a servant or something? I would do more of a writeup but my internet is having problems so
I think that the Advent are still human, regardless of their emotional and intellectual gestalt (the Unity) and regardless of their psychic abilities. It is a human trait to question (though not everyone has this trait!), and it is a human trait to become sickened by slaughter -- if I recall correctly, there were instances in WWII in which German soldiers threw down their arms and surrendered during the fight against the Soviet Union because they were tired of slaughtering people.
Both the Vasari and the Advent are leaps ahead of the TEC in terms of technology (it is the Vasari's mastery of phase space, nano-engineering, and plasma weaponry that allows them to keep pace with the Advent's supernatural abilities). When the Advent arrived, the TEC had only just reached a stalemate with the Vasari -- after ten awful years. Presumably, the only reason the TEC are still standing is because the Advent and the Vasari had no qualms about turning their guns on each other.
Regardless: as the Advent swooped in on an unprepared TEC, there was probably much loss of TEC life, civilian and otherwise. The Advent are posthuman, not inhuman -- there were doubtless some of them who felt doubt when witnessing such carnage. Over twenty years, doubts would be given the opportunity to fester.
As for the "corrupting influence from within," there is insufficient textual evidence to draw any firm conclusions. It could be anything:
Personally, I'm inclined to bet on government corruption and/or the emergence of denominations, as opposed to a psychic entity or external threat. And though I'll be the first to admit that anything is possible, the idea that said hypothetical psychic entity is related to whatever took down the Vasari Empire depends on numerous coincidences, not the least of which being that whatever disaster befell the Vasari Empire was psychic in nature.
But there is no textual evidence to suggest that the Vasari were tinkering with Psitech, nor is there any evidence to suggest that phase jump emitters are powered by Psitech. It's a possibility, of course, given that the Vasari were experimenting with transport and/or communication in the Kron lab. Likewise, the manual doesn't explicitly state that the phase jump emitters aren't Psitech, nor that the Vasari weren't tinkering with Psitech at the time of their demise.
That said: the Advent are no more capable of understanding phase jump emitters than the Vasari, despite the fact that the Advent have both psychic abilities and a certain mastery of Psitech. Heck, the Advent can't even replicate phase jump inhibitors -- the Vasari alone can do that. This suggests that whatever makes the phase jump inhibitors work, regardless of whether or not it contributed to the decline and fall of the Vasari Empire, is probably not based on Psitech or even psionics at all -- elsewise the Advent would probably have had more success reverse-engineering their stolen phase jump inhibitors.
Well I understand where you are coming from but maybe we are looking at this the wrong way, maybe the Vasari had nothing to do with their own demise. Lets put a different perspective perhaps they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time I understand the video implies much.
Also I think we should look at the scattered technology that is around all the maps denoted into artifacts. I think maybe we should take more interest in those because they could be related.
I dont mean to demean your very well written paragraph with a short one I just am in agreement for the most part.
Well maybe the Phase Space drives have locator beacons on them left by the race that originally built them since they are artifacts right? So the accident may have caused the locator beacon to activate or maybe a rift to open (Supreme Commander FA lol) so the creators may have just poured out of that rift and started destroying those who "stole" their Drives. Just a thought but may be possible...
If phase jump inhibitors are Psitech, then phase jump inhibitors could very easily contain a psychic entity of some kindA Vasari-manufactured phase jump inhibitor prototype malfunctioned and unleashed a chain reaction, such as a runaway phase space fieldThis is unlikely: a runaway phase space field would destroy not only ships, but planets and stars; there is no evidence in the manual of stars disappearing -- you'd think the Vasari would notice that!
Iam not sure about that. The vasari are running away with more than speed of light, so they running with the Light of the Stars. The more distance they get between them and the stars the "older" is the light of the stars. why should they notice it ?
Maybe the Vasari were wiped out by a time warp that sent a future alliance of Vasari Rebels, Advent, and TEC to Kron. A Revelation Battlecruiser used Dominate on the remaining Vasari ship, which explains why they were so loony. It'd be hilariously ironic.
EDIT: Or the empire never actually fell. A Space Troll appeared at Kron and just decided to scare the colony into fleeing the empire for the lulz. You mad, Vasari?
the matter was already discussed - they are fleeing from Chuck Norris.
How many trollers does it take to bring a theory into complete mediocrity?
I agree with Frostfire because he is the first person on this forum to bring a logical theory that goes with the game.
Now I know that maybe we need to realize that anything can happen and whatever the devs say, I am pretty sure everyone will finally shut up about their lousy theories. Now, I am not being mean or anything, I am just saying some of these theories need some in-game logic backup.
I mostly agree with the fact of a psionic entity within the phase jump inhibitor.
I PERSONALLY agree with frost flare
The Vasari have a brilliant history backdrop but overall if the 'Great Threat' is 'approaching fast' then A. TEC are SCREWED without the more advanced races B. anything that can hand the Vasari their arse THAT FAST will do the same to the Advent C. If the Vasari are so hell-bent on annihilating the TEC then they should by all rights have allied by now and D. the only reason TEC have even kept a leg in the story line IS BECAUSE THE HAVE SUCH AN INDUSTRIAL JUGGERNAUT the instant the 'Great Threat' should be included soon and be an OVERALL OVERPOWERING PERSON WHO YOU CAN'T ALLY WITH AS THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING SO AND GIVE OTHER RACE DIPLOMACY AN ADVANTAGE AS NO ONE WANTS TO DIE!!
But the starting cinematic's Kron lab could be the thing they ran away in. Also you'd think the Trade Order would go "Oh God! What are they Running From?!"
my hole opinion on this matter is comes from halo, the vasari created somthing / found somthing , built it/ brought it o the weapons lab it got loose and thats how it happened, mainly i want to fight wat ever it is i am mainly considering it The Flood
in trutth o pove the idea of some alien monster like the flood its nrly unstoppable and requirs you to alli with others to even stand a chance, as halo historia says: the humans 1st discoverd the flood and started plowing thru the forrunners to get away from it while holding off as much as they could the forrunners fougt back with force brought humanity down then when. it was to late they discoverd the flood which eing what it is plowed thru the forumners like tissue paper, since the forunners had delt with the humans they had no ay of finding out how the humans where able the hold h flood off and push forward thier only way of sopping the flood was starving it, the halos where ment cor thaat he montiors are not just thier gaurds but they are also rher to expiriment on the flood. i type this with a ipod so exuse the misspellings n such
It could be a subspecies of Vasari similar to the way the Advent are a subspecies of Humans
Swordsalmon, Proletari you two disgust me Frostflare and most other people have made valid and amazingly accurate to lore comments and you demean their ideas with that utter filth.
SINCE WHEN IS MARCH 15 ANNUAL NECRO DAY?!
And why does he care about my joke post made two years ago? I still stand by my theory, though- a Space Troll totally just trolled the guys at Kron.
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