Senators Chuck U Schumer and Lindsay Grahmnesty have begun a new push for a National ID Card. This is really disturbing to me on so many levels. Its like 1939 Nazi Germany where everyone has to show their papers or something. Our freedoms are being stripped from us by authoritarians on both sides of the isle and its dangerous. When I first read Orwell's Nineteen-Eighty Four as a kid I thought it was a far fetched work of fiction, if we all need to start carrying and presenting national ID cards to buy/sell/work/pass or exist, then the book was actually rather prophetic.
and that's just a shadow of what is to come under the one world order system run by the A.C. Only if we reuse to take his card/number/chip we will not be able to buy or eat. That's when we will have to rely on others big time.
No, that's simply what they want from their customers.
I wonder how people without ID cards would handle that situation.
I can remember a time when an ID card was something you got out of the bubble gum machine.
Not all Universities are that strict apparently. I now work for a post secondary organization (which is sweet since I get student pricing on a lot of stuff), and all they require for the most part is an email for the organization (they email you with a link that you have to click on to set up your account).
beats trying to figure out which card they want to see.
Email address if enough to buy software. Works for Microsoft Dreamspark.
But the mobile phone shop wanted to see the ID card, which I had. Then it wanted to see a national ID card or passport.
The interesting thing about "mobile Phone" is that is all they wanted as well - the email address. You had to reply to a message sent, but then got the discount. (Verizon is the company).
Well I had the university ID card. But they wanted a national ID card, passport or driver's license as well.
I am wondering how people who are against ID cards think these situations can be handled without an ID card.
I don't see which problems an ID card creates that do not also exist because of passports and driver's licences.
Several things. First, passports and driver's licenses are not required. So you can get by without them (although a government picture ID card is essential).. However the government Picture card does not have the information behind it that the first 2 items do, so losing it is not that big a deal (and does kind of negate the reason for it, but that is another scream).
The ID card would have all the information that the drivers license and passport has, so it would be that much more valuable for thieves. And that much more valuable to those who want to track what you are doing.
I don't get it.
On my driver's licence is my adress, name and brith date. What would there be on an ID more than this?
Apparently the ability to work legally in the US.
Yhea, that's called a Green Card. And the employer still has to declare you to the dept of labor. I doubt the ID will change that, it'd be stupid to put everything on a piece of paper you can loose or get stolen.
Anything else that'd be on it that you are soo panicky about it?
No it is not (but thanks for trying to teach me about the US). US citizens are not required to have a green card to work. That is why a National ID would be a valuable item to a thief. Just as stolen Social Security cards are now (which you must show now to a potential employer, whether you are a citizen or legal resident w/ green card), and they only contain a name and number on them.
So.. it's gonna be the equivalent of your social security card, right?
What more is there gonna be on it that isn't on the SSC?
(and by the way, do you need to show the card itself to get a job, or you can simply give your SSN and an ID?)
Anthony R,
There has been so much going on in politics lately, I missed this. Thanks for the article.
I'm against national ID cards because inevitably we lose our right to privacy...It's one more way Big Government is surveilling us. They will be able to track everyone's movements and have knowledge of financial transactions.
I remember when Kennedy was pushing "efficiency" in Health care by having everyone's records digitalized...a national standard. According to him, the widespread use (first national, then global) of electronic data was gonna cut costs...all managed by the federal government of course. Ya, right. That's what we all want to do...give Big Government access to our most private records.
Audiafox posts:
Yes, I think it's on the way....as you said correctly...the new push for it.... They have been talking about the ID card and chip implant for some time. They frame the need for it under the safety category. It'll start out as a voluntary thing, then (like Obamacare) be mandated that everyone has it. First on a national level, then global. People are being systematically desensitized to it and all of a sudden we'll read somewherre they are putting them in babies before they leave the hospital.
DRGUY:
Exactlly. I was thinking of our SS # as I read the original article. And what was originally promised with SS and what has actually happened is a biggy...a very important lesson for all to understand.
Originally, our SS number was never supposed to be used for identification.
For the longest time we didn't need to supply the state with our SS # for a driver's licence. But that changed...and I thought I could buck the sytem, and prevail, but I learned if I wanted to drive legally, I had to give the State my SS#. The fellow was ready fo rme as this wasn't the first time...He pulled out a sheet of paper with the heading "Subchapter II Issuing Licences" and already had the paragraph highlighted in which the SS # was deemed as "personal information" that was required by the Secretary of State.
I wasn't willing to get an attorney and fight..and that would have been an interesting battle!
Not sure because I haven't seen the bill.
Every job I've had, I had to produce my SS card and/or my retired military ID (which contains my SSN), couldn't just give them a number or photo copy. That said, illegals get jobs, so I'm pretty sure some employers are not being so thorough.
Right. So you need the SS card and the retired military ID which also have the SSN..
tell me again what MORE would the National ID card have that is so bad?
I mean.. you haven't really made your case about how horrible a national ID would be compared to now. Or how useful.
So what's the danger to freedom with an ID card that does what a driver's licence does plus prove your right to work?
It seems to me that such a card could only limit the freedom of those who don't have the right to work.
And maybe allow those who don't have the right to work to have driver's license, to diminish the risk of accident without giving them the right to work?
I ran into this quite a bit. I also bucked the system for quite a while but they gradually mandated it and it got so I couldn't open up a bank account without my SS#. At one point I tried to keep my kids numbers out of the system and was successful for quite a while. The school wanted my eldest son's SS# to go into Jr. High. When I asked why they didn't really have an answer except to say it was easier to track them by numbers. So I suggested they give my son the #1. I'm sure no one else had that number. They must have made up a number for him because they never insisted after that.
yes, this was coming on the heels of WWII. People, after seeing what they Jews went thru, didn't want to subject themselves to any type of identification numbering system. But that has worn off now, and the younger generation has no clue really where this could all lead to.
Plain and simple, this technology intrudes on the right to privacy. This techology potentially gives first the state, then national, then Global Government a database on everyone. At the push of a button, Government will know your medical, financial and personal history, as well as that of your family's. This technology misused the Government could decide who works, who eats, who gets medical attention, who can travel, etc. right down the line.
There will be no respect of the dignity of the human person, people will be reduced to a number..a machine unit.
I'm not trying to make a case for it. Maybe you should reference my first post if you care to see my opinion on the matter.
Yes it would seem that way. I don't have any idea what information the card would contain. It is mostly liberal groups that are against it for privacy reasons (the same that were against the Patriot Act under Bush, but are quiet as a church mouse under Obama's Patriot Act). I believe they would find that a hindrance to illegal works, and that would upset a portion of their voting block. You would really need to ask a liberal why they oppose it.
Illegal workers cannot vote. I find this argument stretchy..
You are correct, however a sizable Hispanic and non-Hispanic portion of the population, that can vote, is supporting "rights" for illegals. If that were not the case, this would not even be an issue.
Well, that is a legitimate political claim, don't you think? They want the illegals to become legal for reasons X Y and Z.
I am not saying that it's a claim that is actually desirable for your country, nor that I support it. Just that it's something that can be acceptable on the political spectrum of things.
But on the other hand, does the.. err.. 12% (?) of latino citizen of the US are monolithically in favor of such legislation?
Considering the billions spent to treat illegals to schools, health care, and other services I would have to say it is not beneficial to the US, but I can't imagine why Hispanics and liberal supporters are for amnesty or anything else outside the lawful immigration process. Perhaps they enjoy Mexico so much that they want to bring it here. I don't know, those fancy California homes need maids.
Your figure seems a bit low (12%), of course I'm including Hispanics and Latino members of the population. It hasn't been that low since before the 80's. My source, the US Census Bureau (click second link .pdf), places about 47.8% of the population. You can see the impact this soon to be majority group has on US politics.
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