Today (August 24) the imfamous torrent site The Pirate Bay has been shut down by order of a Swedish court after several large companies, which have constantly tried to take down the website, pressured to the court to do so. The staff of the Pirate Bay have said they are looking for a new host for their site, so we may not have seen the last of them. A company has also proposed buying the site, and adding legal copies of software and movies, and charging a monthly fee.
Pirate Bay was one of the most groundbreaking sites created. It helped start the whole piracy thing, and the controversy following it. Many people will miss it, whether it becomes a pay for site or gone for good. What are your thoughts on the matter?
Edit: Pirate Bay is back. They just won't give up, now will they?
I have to agree with tojka, it like the Hydra. as long as people are will to share, there will alos be sites like TPB
I did a search SOSE at TPB. Its not being pirated much.
Just because there is a law against it, doesn't mean that it's wrong.Just because everyone is doing it, doesn't mean that it's right.If you don't agree with a law, that doesn't give you a license to break it. It just means you need to do everything in your power to change it. If you don't, then you have no grounds to complain.If you feel it should be legal to make backup copies of your DVD, you should be right there with RealNetworks, fighting for your right to do so. Downloading pirated movies from the internet isn't going to help the situation.If you feel that a gaming company is too restrictive with their copy protection on their games, contact that company and try to get their policies changed, instead of sitting there and whining about it. Find others that feel the same way, and do something constructive. Don't just act surprised when your cracked copy of the game you downloaded won't work with the latest updates.If you missed episodes of a TV show, you have tons of options. Hulu, Netflix, Blockbuster, Comcast/WoW OnDemand, iTunes. Wait until the DVDs come out and buy them. Contact the network and make your case for having back episodes available on their website. All valid options.My point is, breaking the law shouldn't be your goto option. And at the very least, don't act surprised when you get in trouble for doing it.
True....you can't stop these sites...because you can't stop certain elements of humankind insisting (even if only to themselves) that they are entitled to whatever they want. Therefore any attempt at preventing that, will be circumvented.
All I can say is...
I smile one hell of a big-ass smile when I read forum posts on community support sites demanding support for an issue I know is being caused by the person running a pirated OS. Many of these filthy scum purchase at least some third-party software (usually under the guise of claiming to respect this or that developer
"you know...I'm showing PROPS to you dude for not treating me like a crimminal..."...etc..etc.
yet they are running it all on a pirated OS. Pirated OS's often have things disabled or even completely modified/removed so installing third-party software and then troubleshooting same can become a monumental task. When that happens and the pirate is begging a buddy for help/insight while I'm happily using said software without issue, I smile.
That smile is something no one will ever be able to pirate!
Good riddance scum!
the Monk
True, but thanks to the internet it is often the easiest way. I suppose if enough of the pirates will be caught and punished, this will change, but i fear it's a pretty big 'if'.
I didn't read the whole thread.
How can one steal tv shows? TV shows are recordable to begin with. Unless a TV show starts out with warnings like football games, then I see no problem with people downloading tv shows. I watched the last season of Desperate Houswives online (didn't actually download them, but same thing).
Also, if the RIAA or anyone else say it's wrong to make a copy of my music, then screw them! I get my music from Zune marketplace, and Microsoft even tells you to make a copy because you are not allowed to re-download purchased drm-free songs.
There are no excuses for downloading games. But I don't blame people for trying out games. There are a LOT of shit games being made.
I do not feel sorry for the PB.
Tssk that's what YOU think! I'm making a torrent of it right now!
okay okay actually it's pron with a troyan in it
Sweet and now the fun part "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."
Thank god
Yep it is one of the big huge problems with IP to be sure via "legal (as in US)" access. It is all bullshit to be perfectly frank. Restricting things on an IPA bases is as draconian as it gets
I hate to tell this but PB is alive and works as before... I've checked it right now.
And when you purchase a game that doesn't work and the publisher and the developr brush you off, your recourse is what exactly? You can't get your money back, not from the store or the company. All you can do is not buy from them again, check, and find a way to make it work since you actually purchased something that should have been a working product thus, using a pirated version. Now I am not sure if its illegal to have a no-crack cd of a game you actually purchased to get a patch to work. I did it because i had no other recourse, and there was already someone here who knows just how bad JoWood really is with this. I wasn't about to flush my money down the toilet because I was stupid enough to pay for a game and expect it to be supported on any level at all, hell the errors aren't even in english in the US version of the game.
Do I go around pirating JoWood's games now? No, but I don't buy them either until they are the bottom of the bargain bin and the no-crack cd has been out long enough to use with any patches, if they even bothered to provide a patch at all. And I don't do that much now anyway as there are finally some games out there that are similar enough I can avoid JoWood all together.
This industry continues to act like they have no responsbility whatsoever to the fact like TPB was created in the fist place. Until companies suck it up and admit they fk'd up on a number of levels, creating a fertile breeding ground for pirates, there is no way it's going to get better. It will just get worse and worse for the paying customers and the pirates will go find new playgrounds to have fun in with the lawyers and gaming execs chasing after them like rapid dogs.
Yep just a game they play with who does what for whoever. Sure looked good on paper! But that is all it is... paper. As I said all they did is help feed the system and actually get some free advertising to boot.
Yep actually it is. Something to do with not being allowed to circumvent any protection. Kind of sad really. You could purchase the game and still get sued, hurray!
You are mistaken. You do NOT purchase the game - ever. You purchase the media and a license to experience the game and by extention sharing the game with a friend is wrong. At least that is the conventional thinking of the proIP people.
Yep, you've nailed it. It's why it's also illegal to mod your gaming consoles - you merely purchased a life time licence to use their console. It's a joke, but I can understand the reasoning behind it.
Thats how all software is sold currently. You only purchase a license to use the software, nothing else. Which is why Stardocks method of being able to download the game as long as you own the license should be a rule, not the exception.
I know ofcourse, I just wanted to point out the rediculous fact that even when they have your money you still aren't allowed because.. what? Using a no-cd costs them money? But they already have it! Hell, read some topics about people with scratched game DVDs. Local law dictates that by only providing the license the medium should be replaced for free or for cost price. But don't think you can. If you are lucky they charge you a disappointing €20 for so called shipping costs, but most of the time their solution to a scratched disk is: buy a new copy at full price. Hurray!
Article 10:Gamers shall have the right that games are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.
ZehDon I don't get your point. All that means if that you shouldnt be forced to have a CD int he CD drive to play the game. Not that you can get teh game for free without buying a CD of buying it off a download manager like Impulse or steam. Their is a huge difference between no CD to play and pirated game.
Sorry, I thought it was obvious. The Gamer's Bill of Rights was created by the folks at Stardock and Gas Powered Games as a basic set of Rights we Gamers can expect, at least form their products. My point is that a Gamer shouldn't have to use the CD to play a game they've paid for - thus eliminating the 'legit' excuse for no-disc cracks - as this is an outdated method of piracy prevention that only annoys and, as twilight pointed out, punishes legit customers. DRM such as that offered by Impulse or Steam is how DRM should be done. DRM like anything EA Games have used, which includes requiring the user to use their disc time and again - and thus damaging it from use, only hurts the paying user because the pirates get to enjoy the product free of this crap.
That is of course the game being played with the DMCA and other such acts. It is ALWAYS all about the money. Dont ever think otherwise. Then of course there is always the issue when a product is removed from shelf space. Comsequently one cant even accquire a second copy via the extortion method of "support" but I digress...
TechNet....the way clever people get to have their Microsoft Products....though they're downloaded as iso's so you also end up with a hard copy....
But then just about any software is available online....to reside comfortably as a dl/iso and hard copy if desired/needed.
The amount of money to be saved keeping out of the shops BUT still being legal is somewhere between unbelievable and just plain silly...
I'm not complaining though...
twifightDG,
that right there made my day! +1 karma for you sir.....
How'd you do that to the quotes, Monk?
I cannot work out a way one could possibly and legitamately defend piracy... However, with all the anti-modding business going on, I have to say that once you own a copy of your game (or system), whatever you do with it (barring distribution) should be your own personal business. The exception is, of course, mods that enable you to use pirated software.
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