I think your solution that mess is declaring your premade in the title, as its very unlikely a pug player will jump in...but perhaps I'm wrong...did actually put premade in the title..or were u trying for a 5v5 premade vs pug? if yes..well..what do u expect....I hope it took ur hours to get the game going..u probably got a few people who actually check..and they quit..which probably crashed the game..(yet..I konw..the freaking stabilty still sux..but it is night and day..from what we had..

3v3 vs 4v4 where one is 'swing player' I think you shoudl be able to handle that..if ur arguing premade vs pug is fair? (which I know ur not....but yes..the match making system is kinda sux..so we need to fix it...but by making the titles of our games more explantory).

If premades advertise as premades, no-one will ever join their games.

Simple as.

Anyway if they get 3 good randomers joining, it probably ends up being a close game, hence why they advertise as "pro only".

You can put whatever you want in the title and random people still join.  Also... Just because I would like to play other premades, that doens't mean A: They want to play me, or B: Those I play with will be in the mood to do it.

As to the 3v4 thing, our whole point in playing together is because we don't want to play with random people.  People who can't play the game will lose more games than people who can play the game will win.  It's just like any other game/sport.  More games are lost through poor play/mistakes, than are won by good play.

This is breaking down into the catagory of "I'm going to lose because you have friends."  Making friends isn't that tough.  Play a few games with someone you think is about your skill level.  Make your own premade!  Then you can experience the other side first hand.

And please don't wish me ill like I'm some sort of horrible person for playing with my friends in the only way available to me.  It makes you look bad and doesn't harm me in the slightest.

-- Tukulis

wow itcy I didn't peg u for a noob...whiel u can't get 'skill level' u can get an overall guess as to peoples skill by looking at the pantehon rankings..give it try...

I welcome a challenge, find someone with stats that equate to my teams that we haven't played already? Oh wait, good luck with that because the entire stat and ladder system is FUBAR, and shows very little of a persons skill. You are also dissproving dano's theory that you can gain a "good idea" from pantheon stats,

I am not an amazing or even a very good player, I am average, there are just very few pre-mades and even fewer good pug players to play against. Most people in this game don't know much about the game, they also seem to mostly be anti-teams and teamwork, so they are obviously not all that great at the game, as is evidenced from the large win-record we achieved with games named things like "very good players", "dont suck" etc, quite a few of the matches are against pre-mades too.

also edit storm.

If more players were aware of the stats page all of games would be as hard to start for you as ones with premade in the name.

That reflects some major problems with the game, but in the meantime it's not reasonable for you to try to call out people who want a good game for avoiding challenges, because there's no way anyone with over a 90% win rate is fighting truly challenging games with any frequency.

If this game had real matchmaking the majority of players would have 50% win rates.

You say that the stats are bad about gauging skill levels.  That's not completely true.  They offer no means to gauge whether the rank 1 or rank 100 players would win if they fought each other or if the rank 22,000 and 24,000 were to fight, but they're obviously quite effective at predicting the outcome of a fight between the rank 100 and rank 22,000 players, which is literally what the majority of these pub stomp matches are.

See this is where opinions will probably differ, I feel "Be Good" or "Good players only"  is a very big warning in any game that your opponents are going to be at least somewhat organized regardless of knowing each other or not, but most players in Demigod seem to be of a different opinion, and that opinion is that teamwork has nothing to do with your level of play.

I don't care if you can interrupt Oak's Shield animation 100% of the time if you're just going to ignore all communication/organization attempts in-game and do your own thing.

I could start putting "184-9, 148-6, 237-5" etc in game-titles or something though, see if it takes as many hours to fill as games with "Premade" in the title do. Of course the game will just eventually fill up with people who have no idea what the numbers are, just like the games with "Premade" in the title fill up with people who have no idea what one is.

Bottom line, its impossible to define "premades" with all the variables out there.  So just show a nice ranking number next to each player, and have a match making system that tries to match up skill levels.  Unfortunately from the posts going on lately I fear this is never going to happen.

lol void u crack me up

sigh..I guess basted on ur 'opionion' those of that r pugs should say..

be good, but not premade...

OR..good player only (no premade)

wHy not PREMADE ONLY <-- this assumption most people see here...premade == good/decent caliber players..

I.E. i believe premade and good players is redundant..(but ur right..that is also not a an assumption I should make based on teh all gazzilion premades outthere..who refuse to identify themselves....for some reason or another..I guess they actualy care about rank!! rofl...)

premade-a match that contains a team of players that have organized the game ahead of time. that wasnt very hard

why dont we go out of our way to find other premades who dont put premades in their title? because its too much work. untill they put team matchmaking and such into the game its not worth it. just because we're better than you doesnt mean we want to either A. put premade in our title and wait half an hour for another premade, or B. hop from lobby to lobby looking for another premade