I’ve long been an advocate of migrating to a 64-bit OS and then getting as much memory as you can reasonably afford. If you have a choice between a solid state hard drive (SSD) or lots of RAM on a 64-bit machine, get the RAM. But if you can do both, even both.
My beloved ThinkPad T400 is outrageously fast with the combination. It’s been a long time since I’ve used a PC that felt this fast. It reminds me of the days when I’ve gone back and used Windows 3.1 on modern hardware where everything is so snappy. I highly recommend it.
Yes, we do think twice. SSD is still a new technology, it has only been within the past Month or 2 that OCZ hit main stream with their Vertex series drives, completely altering the SSD landscape in both performance and price arena's. I said in a past post that I need some solid evidence before I jump on board for technology.
SSD's are now poised to begin the replacement of HDD in the same way that HDD replaced TAPE. When HDD replaced TAPE, did it go away? No. TAPE is still being used for long term storage & backup. Now we will just see that HDD will fall back to 2nd Tier while SSD reigns as 1st Tier. HDD is going no where soon, trust me. Technology gets a new update often yes, but its longevity is more lasting than its research life cycle. I assure you that people are still buying 386's for specialized applications. And that 386 will most likely cost you as much if not more than a Thunderbird or PIII.
Yes....what's entirely suitable for the 'general user' can and will be somewhat less than CAD professionals, etc. .... but that will also apply to the need or lack there-of for such speed options as SSDs...or RAID...or multicore processors.
The majority of computers on the planet are little more than overly-complicated word processors/typewriters.... but when someone looks at the 'general user' on a site dedicated to GUI customizing/graphics the likelihood is most will have word processing as an ancilliary to high-end graphic work.
Back around 8 or 9 years ago there was a wall artist in our community who had 2 computers....one to do the net socializing on.....while the other was rendering 3D....for 3 or 4 days at a time. It was probably an OK machine....but 3D glass renders take a shitload of computing power....
Hey, if you have the $$ to pay for a CAD program then you have the $$ to drop on SSD with Good RAM and a Good CPU. Additionally if you are running some serious CAD then you will most likely work with files in the multi Gigabyte RANGE. I assure you that SSD would make things a lot nicer. I know some Geologists that do similar processing (2D not 3D) and they have several 4 gig chunk files. To help some of the audience out it is technically one single drawing that is broken into about 6 4gig chunks. For those that are not up on file systems FAT32 had a file size limit of 4gigs. Sure NTFS and post FAT32 file systems do not have that limitation, now if you are like a lot of people that are slow to upgrade their software, then you most likely have an application that still keeps to that 4 gig limitation. Now tell me how much RAM you would have to stuff in your system to get 6 4gig chunks loaded into RAM? Of course you don't have to load the whole thing to work with it, the program will load only the parts you need, but still though. That SSD will get data to your RAM at a much faster rate than HDD.
And, this part is important. How many people have had their machines crunching data and then try to... surf the internet in the back ground? Its a sore and slow machine isn't it? That is why that wall artists kept 2 computers. With SSD your system will remain responsive even under some serious load. That is where SSD really shines. Your computer is busting some IO, and you click the Start button and are pleasantly surprised to find that it pops up like the computer still has a little extra kick to give. You won't get that with HDD, all you get is a machine that sounds and looks like its choking to death.
Geologists probably use Linux or Unix.
I had that issue while recording/editing video until I upgraded my CPU, RAM and GPU... sometimes my rig would even freeze up if I opened a tab or two extra in Firefox, and, say, had messenger open as well. The upgrade to a Phenom II x4 920, 8 gigs of Ram and 9800GT @1gb has largely resolved that, but you and Frogboy have pretty much sold me on the idea of getting a SSD to boost overall system speed and performance.... still got 300+ family (extended) home videos on VHS tapes to convert into DVD, so it'd be a blessing
However, I am one of those on a fixed income with bills and ever increasing day to day expenses, so I reckon it'll be a while until I can slot one into my rig. An OCZ Vertex 120gb is AUD $390.00 (current best price here, down $30 from 2 weeks ago), and I could probably manage that in about 5-6 months if I economise here and there, but who knows, prices may have dropped more by then. If I can drop AUD $300 on a CPU after a bit of scrimping and saving I can certainly do it for a SSD... I will eventually get one.
And their archaeoligist counterparts use the abacus and a stick in the sand... slow, yup, but it works for them.
The geologists I know use windows. I wonder if anyone has solid data on the numbers?
Just wait, before the OCZ Vertex 120 received the award from DRAMeXchange as best in performance it was $345 on newegg. Since then I saw newegg jack the price tag up quite a bit. It will come back down soon enough, and especially if someone manages to produce an SSD that can perform well against the Vertex series. So far nothing touches OCZ's Vertex SSD right now. The X25 from Intel has some nice read speeds but they still have the stutter issues, and are still a little slow on the write compared to Vertex.
I have to wait some to accumulate the necessary funds, but yeah, I am hoping that SSD's will have dropped in price by the time I'm ready to invest in one. However, AUD $390 is a damned good price here in Oz if newegg were charging USD $345... though it sucks that they'd jack up the price because the OCZ Vertex 120 got an award.
I've seen some other SSD's (the Core and Apex ranges) from OCZ at slightly lower prices, do you know anything about these and if there are any differences performance-wise to the Vertex range?
*Edit* Like whoa, I just revisited the site where I get my prices and the OCZ Vertex 120 is now AUD $595 best price... up to $675 at worst. A couple of weeks ago they were ranging from $425 to $550, though one place had some for $390 last week. Hmmm, I smell excess profiteering again... wonder if it has anything to do with the award?
Hope this trend changes in the opposite direction... otherwise I'll be waiting 10 months instead of 6.
Sir-Astal... apologies if you've already posted, but is there a specific SSD you'd recommend?
2 comments up....
OCZ Vertex...
For starkers & pacov
The current recommendation is any drive from the OCZ Vertex Series. The 120gig size is particularly the best performer.
The Apex, Solid, and Core series were the first generation SSD's. They have controllers that cause stuttering during data transactions can can make your drive choke. The Vertex has a new controller and 64mb Cache to eliminate these issues. Additionally the first gens are much slower than the 2nd Gen Vertex's.
I have been up and down the block with the SSD's, but I did not jump on the band wagon until the 2nd Gen series Vertex's arrived. The 1st gens all have a lot of quirky issues, practically all of which were resolved with the new drives. SSD tech is still new, but it is only just now that they are finally worthy of general consideration.
you did see my post apologizing for being an idiot right pacov?
I now have read the apology. Accepted. Thanks! And thanks Jafo... checking that out now.
Thanks for the heads up there, Sir-Astral, seller/manufacturer blurbs never include this kind of info. I'll give these a miss, then. It might cost a little more but I'd rather wait a little longer to get a Vertext. It seems they're more reliable and that I'd be happier with my purchase.
Looks like SSDs are no different to any other new tech.....the first renditions are buggy....but eventually they improve the breed.
Again....just like cars....never buy the first new model release.....wait for the second...
Unless it's the first Fod Mustang. Those are worth some money.
Here is my 2 cents
OS: 64 bit OS is pretty much the future due to the 32 bit OS's memory limitations.
SSD: For you peoples who wonder about SSD and performance i can say the loading/boot time reduction is very nice, very very low latency coupeled with pretty good throughput and if you want more... do as i did.. get 2 and run raid0. IMO the faster the computer the more the gains from SSD as the HDD's already feed the weak CPUs pretty well while loading - however the extremely low latency is noticable on any rig. Games who loads parts while playing (small mapchunks for instance) also gets somewhat smoother.
About my rig... dont ask or ill have burglars here in 10 minutes
But if you use an OS besides Windows there is no memory limitations up to 32 GB.
My system boots in less than a minute. You saying SSD can bring that down?
Kona, it is NOT about the OS anymore, but more about resource intensive apps that require lots of memory... multi-tasking when using these apps. OK, it has been a slow process because 32 bit has been the standard for so long, but more and more software developers are moving towards 64 bit... because that is the future of computing.
Not only does x64 allow greater access to the installed RAM, it also utilises the CPU more efficiently, and in this day and age of hyperthreading, dual and quad core processors, this is becoming essential to productivity for businesses, not to mention gamers and non-professionals who do graphics/video editing, etc.
Now 32 bit Linux distros may be able to read more than 4gb of RAM, but the primary factor going against them is the fact that major developers, like Adobe, Corel and Cyberlink, etc, do not put out their major/most popular softwares for them, hence people will use an OS that is compatible with their major apps. Furthermore, Linux distros have a steeper learning curve than Windows, so businesses are not going to risk using an OS that reduces productivity due to employees having to learn a non-mainstream OS.
I know that you like Linux, and I quite like the Ubuntu distro myself, but Linux is never likely to become mainstream, despite it being free to use, because users want something that works right out of the box with all their apps... and games. So until the major developers are creating Linux compatible software, it will remain an OS for enthusiasts and those who like to tinker with new toys... people who can't afford Windows, for whatever reason.
Yes, a SSD drive would reduce boot and app load times on most machines... tho obviously the greater the CPU and RAM, the better the overall result would be. My machine - Phenom II 920 @ 2.8; 8gb Corsair Ram; WD (Win 7 x64) @ 7200; Seagate (Vista x64) @ 7200 - boots into Win 7 @ 26 - 28 seconds... Vista x64 @ 30 - 32 seconds, though I imaging those time would be significantly less with a couple of OCZ Vertex SSD's configured in RAID formation.
Hehe, there I go... dreaming again! With the way things are going I might be able to afford ONE this time in 2012.
I disagree that Linux has a steep learning curve. How much simpler can Ubuntu get? You try to play a MP3 file and Ubuntu ask you if you want to install the MP3 codec so you can listen? WINE plays Windows games just fine.
The shit has apparently hit the fan with the latest 'Revit' update from Autodesk. My mate who uses the stuff is now looking down the barrels of a new machine....only a year or so after his last....because a 32bit OS cannot address enough ram, not for Revit AND Vista.
The silly buggers are pushing people just a little too fast.....you'll now need a 64bit OS to access at least 4gig or you're screwed or die waiting for you computer to budge...
Maybe not for you or I, but for many who have only ever used/known Windows it can be a difficult proposition... especially for those who are not particularly PC literate. Basic Windows functions were specifically designed with ease of use in mind so that just about anyone can use them, whereas some Linux distros have command lines/prompt etc and are too complicated to those with lesser PC knowledge/skills.
Just a thought! If your mate's rig is that recent it might be worth his while to upgrade the RAM and try out the Win 7 RC x64 on it until it goes gold... if the rig handles it OK/no worries it'll save him a swag of cash.
I do a bit of photography. RAW file processing uses a huge amount of RAM. For me, my next PC must have 6Gb minimum. My current 2Gb really struggles...
He's been advised by others using 64bit systems that there are driver issues with that option anyway...
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