Edit: Ok everone, it looks like the Great Shink Crisis is over. I would like to thank The Undying for his help. Now the rest of you can get back to the debate here. And if anyone sees Shink point me his way; the hunt is not yet over! Send out the Cylon armies to help find Shink!
Will since things at my Halo vs Star Wars thread have come to a stop for at least now, I thought this would be interesting.
Now some ground rules I hope will keep this a bit civil: Everything for both sides MUST be canon. No insulting either side( jokes from modified quots from games, books and TV episodes are ok). No wanking, no Q will snap his fingers and destroy the Covenant and Halo rings, I don't watch much Trek but I know enough: Q and his people will be the first to grab the mega size bag of popcorn for the show. No Borg wanking, if the Borg are so powerful than why can't they conquer about 150 planets? And no wanking the Master Chief, Flood, Forerunner tech and anything I forgot. I want this to be as fair and civil as possible.
Now lets go with a timeline of mid-TNG for ST and the end of the First Battle of Reach in Halo. Should that be a good timeline?
I suggest that if you do not know much about either side to read up on them.
Now! Let the battle begin!
This has been a UNSC transmission.
The Undying.
damn, I feel that burn from here and I wasnt even in the argument
Just send spock in with some red matter lol
Edit: I have called Shink out. I am making a new thread:"Halo vs MGS. Sova vs Shink." This will start Saturday, I did give him the choice to surrender now, and if he decideds to do that I will just change the name to Halo vs MGS. He shall not get away after all the chaos he has caused! But mostly for insulting me and Halo...
Blast! I've never mess up the transmission part before! Will I corrected it, thank you The Undying.
And which weakness is that, sorry, I know it sounds stupid but I am trying to find Shink, he can't win he runs, now how long can he out run me? On with the hunt! Go now my army! Seek out Shink! He shall pay for saying he is better at Halo then me! I shall chase him to the ends of the post and beyond until he surrenders and becomes my latest trophy! "Sound of hunting horn"
This has been a UNSC transmission. "Sound of hunting horn"
lol sova
u so geh liek haloz
u gotz uh cruzh on meh
OWWWNNEEED SNAAAAKE BROTHAAAAA
This has been an MSF transmission.
o and sova
deal with this
LOL at the halozHas anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Master Chief?
FACT.
Just be there this Saturday Shink, you insult me and one of the best, if not the best FPS of all time and call it gay. Attack him my army!
You shall be another trophy for me, and you better learn to spell right, I already got the Grammer Police watching at the thread and if you make even the smallest mistake they're going to arrest you.So don't make me bring the Grammer Police back in here to take you down now, so if you would spell your new posts here so I can read them that would be nice. And you do know you can edit your post instead of spamming, right kid'o? So stop taking up post space here so the others can get back to debating. Oh! And I got a crush on you all, and here it is- Whack! Whack! ! Your name shall be added to my trophy room! NOW BACK ON TOPIC!!!!!!!
This has been a UNSC transmission of Doom.(Doom for Shink)
//Off Topic//
CoD4 beats MGS anyday. It might beat Halo too. Right now they are even
// end Off Topic//
If your worried about me going on a hunt with you as the prey don't worry; I only go after Shink-type annoying people who can't spell and insult you at every turn. If he plays on that level I'll hit back almost as hard, I just make sure my post can be read. He sends the entire thread into pure chaos and can't even make post that can be read and insults me and my favorite FPS game, he continued in that manner even after I gave him a warning. You on the other hand have done notthing to insult me or any game I like and have only brought it forward in an off topic manner and not done anything like he did. I fight my opponent on the same level that they do, unless they can't spell, which I can. Your ok, just say what you want off topic here as long as you don't act like Shink.
This has been a UNSC transmission. And also check out the new forum game I've posted:" Corrupt a Wish: The Forum Game. I wish upon a Shooting Star that it will not hit me! Granted but it hit your house instead.
u no wut blunt3d
u mebbe rite. CoD4 is pretty awesome. tho 2 be honzt wit u, I juz liek MGS story more.but mebbe u no, still cod4 iz btetr gaeym
See wut I meen?
You're over-doing the stupid stint a little too much. People don't even need to check your profile and see that you created the account just for this thread to tell that it's bogus.
I was wondering when someone would get it....
If I didn't have such a negative view of my fellow humans, I'd have thought the same thing about the Halo goons arguing the inferiority of Star Trek technology, but MGS was pretty out there. I'd hope that everyone knew it was someone jerking their chain from the start, but there is that pessimism...
After I called him out on his first troll post, asking if he was being sarcastic, he PMed me and said that he was only trolling them because of how serious they were being over this debate. He was right too, they even made some sort of "battle post" between him and Sova.
The funniest part is that Shink said he actually likes Halo...
Good evening! I don't have much time here right, having lots of fun at Corrupt a Wish. I only aruged that ST was behind in some areas were Halo has huge amounts of power with their weapons using fusion, wish they had thought up something for a power source that would make it better there. But if Shink had just been nice an not insulted me and Halo and made post that need to be translated for you then I would have just forgot about him. Hope you stop by to see me add Shink to my trophy room, it should be a good battle since I got a translator for Shink.
Also, I watched the las fifteen minutes of an epsiode of ENT today and was wondering what the hell their doing fighting the Borg 200 years before they are supposed to learn of them? I mean how is it that they forgot about them? As soon as I find a Forerunner Dreadnought I'm lending it to you so you can blow up the writers of VOY and ENT and remake both so they don't cause your eyes to melt when watching.
Yes, I created the battle post that shall add Shinks name to my trophy room of annoying people. And your yanking my chain, right? I don't remember him doing anything beyond annoying me and causing more chaos then the Flood; him liking Halo after calling MC gay is like saying that Q wasn't bored out of his mind after billions of years being a god and causing chaos among others for fun. But tell me if I'm wrong, either way he shall feel the wrath of the Covenant and the holy Master Chief (LOL! I just laugh my self to death ever time I or some posts like that). You all have a good week now!
Honestly, this is just the account I created to play demigod with.And then whine about the demigod connection problems for a little while with.
My few karma points should make that pretty clear.
LOEZL IZ MOAR LIEK TEH HOLY MASTUR CHEF AMIRITE?CUZ HE LIEK CHEF BOYARDEEHE CANT COOK ANYTHING BUT SHIZZTY NEWDLZbut no srzly mastur chef das not fayre to chef boyardeeCHEF BOYARDEE OWNS HALO.CHEF BOYARDEE > HALO.
I'M CALLING YOU OUT SOVA. NEW CHALLENGE THREAD. SEE ME ON THE ONE. BE THERE OR BE SQUAYRE.STARTING NOW.FUCK THE POLICE.
This has been an MSF Transmission.
Well I found the answer to the flood of halo.....enter the tribble....
Whats the tribble? I think I heard something about it some where else but can't remember. Will see you all later, I have other things to do to day still. Sova out.
The tribble are mortal enemies of the Klingon Empire. Tibbles were hunted down and exterminated by the Klingon Empire; specially trained warriors were sent to kill every tribble in existence, and an armada of Klingon vessels obliterated the tribble's home world......
Here, watch the episode.
They also made a deepspace nine episode where they went back in time with the tribbles.. Its like the best episode they had durning the whole season.
Will I tried to watch that epsiode but my comp kept coming up with some error. Can't wait to get my XP fixed.
I read what I found about them and they are going to be a big threat to planets. Covenant might be able to do something about it before it got out of hand on too many worlds. The UNSC is dead though unless they can create some sort of virus or something to kill the Tribbles off. Very dangerous if allowed to go unchecked, but not as dangerous as the Flood since you can run from them and not worry about them leaping through the air after you. And what I read about the epsiode seemed strange at the end when it said it would take about 17 years to get them off the station but the ones on the Enterpirse were beamed over to the Klingon ship for revenge.
Not as dangerous as the Flood when it comes to taking down a big galactic scale empire but would keep them busy for a long time.
And in the course of my research I came across a few things about the Honorverse and Culture. So anyone here know anything more about them? I think I saw something about an Honorverse ship might be able to take a direct hit from the DS Super Laser and just shrug it off. And it seems that only a few others are only a remote threat to the Culture; which seems to be the most powerful Sci-Fi power known. I need to do more research if I'm going to have a super power for my books that could stand up to either of those. Will I have to go now, see you all later.
yeah, im just jumping on here... and i cant be bothered to read the last 10 pages
i do know this though, according to Star Trek canon, Plasma weapons are quite weak vs Federation (and most other types) of shielding and armor.
conversely, Star Trek particle weapons can be modulated to bypass shields or overload them (you know, targetting certain systems like engines, weapons, shields etc) not to mention the hellishly powerful Mk IX photon torpedos (ST:Voyager, im not sure if DS9 and Enterprise carry the same, but it would be very close)
also, Star Trek has transporters... beam a torpedo or spacial (yes, spacial) charges over to the reactor of a Covenant Ship... Game Over
Lastly, Star Trek ships can fire while at warp, and Federation ships in particular are highly versatile. Most if not all systems have multiple redundancies, and damage can be repaired by bypassing or re-routing through other systems. Star Trek ships are more manouverable and possibly faster than Covenant.
And in the Federation alone there are many more races than make up the Covenant, each with its own military (usually) and varied weapons, so the covenant would have to beat superior numbers as well as superior fire power. and thats if the Federation didnt somehow get Klingons, Romulans, Bajorans, the Dominion or even the Borg involved. hell, they could bait the Borg with Covenant ships, watch the blood bath, and pick up the pieces later
Federation vs UNSC? Federation no contest. The MAC guns (i hate that word! Magnetic Accelerator Cannon gun... grr) might give federation ships pause... i think they hold up against meteors etc pretty well...
In terms of ground combat, well, we dont know much about Star Trek ground combat. we know many races keep standing armies (DS9 Dominion War), but its possible elite shields and sheer brute strength, not to mention armor etc, could give Star Trek a run for its money...
unfortunately, we dont know about Star Trek ground combat tactics, strategies and abilities, so its impossible to comment
basically, Star Trek ftw
Will on the Plasma weapons it would seem to me that Covenant weapons would be a lot more powerful then ST plasma weapons. And I'll list Covenant weapons and such again here: Plasma Torpedos are powerful charges of plasma that is shaped and guided using magnetic fields over many millions of kilometers at half the speed of light and can easily hit ships and stations. Pulse Laser Point Defense Turrets can shoot down anywhere from many dozens of missiles for small ships to maybe hundreds for larger ships such as the massive Assault Carrier and Supercruisers. Energy Projectors are the most powerful weapon know to be used by Covenant ships, its known range is around 100,000 kilometers and is a light speed weapon that can gut multiple unshield ships in one hit. E-Ps can be fired in laser thin lances of massive power to gut and destroy any unshielded ship and take most shields down in one hit. They are also fired in massive beams that can cover large areas when the Covenant begin glassing human worlds. The Covenant ship with the most Energy Projectors is the Covenant Battleship at 2000 meters long and wields 12 of these powerful weapons. Please go to Halopedia and read the books The Fall of Reach and First Strike for more info.
And even if Transporters can get through Covenant shields it may not go through the hull and the mag fields used for the Plasma Torpedos may mess it up. But that is a major threat to any ship that have it's shields down and any gaps in the hull near the reactor.
And to another post from a few pages back that said something about Fed ships firing at the center of mass that may disable it, that may not work, and this should give us some idea of the damage a small Covi ship can take. Quote." MAC at one hundred percent," the weapins officer shouted."Ready to fire!" Fire!" Captain Wallace ordered. The lights on the bridge dimmed and the Commonwealth shuddered. The MAC bolt launched through space-a red hot metal slug moving at thirty thousand meters per second. The Covenant ship's engines flared to life and the ship veered away- Too late. The heavy round closed and slammed into the target's prow. The Covenant ship reeled backward through space. Its energy shields shimmered and glowed lightning-bright... then flickered, dimmed, and went out. The bridge crew let out a victory cheer. Except Dr. Halsey. John watched the view screen as she adjusted the camera controls and zoomed in on the Covenant ship. The vessel's erratic spinning slowed and it came to a stop. The ship's nose was crumpled and atmosphere vented into vacuum. Tiny fires flickered inside. The ship slowly came about and started back toward them-gaining speed." It should have been destroyed," she whispered. Unquote. And here's the next round to hit it. Quote." Send them to Hades, Lieutenant. Fire." The lights dimmed again. The Commonwealth shuddered and a bolt of thunder and fire tore through the blackness. The Covenant ship stood its ground. The bloodred light that had pooled on its lateral line burst forth-streaked toward the Commonwealth, passing the MAC round a mere kilometer away. The red light glowed and pulsed almost as if it were liquid; its edges roiled and fluttered. It elongated into a teardrop or ruby red five meters long." Evasive maneuvers," Captain Wallace cried." Emergency thrusters to port!" The Commonwealth slowly moved out of the trajectory path of the Covenant energy weapon. The MAC round struck the Covenant vessel amidships. Its shields shimmered and bubbled... then disappeared. The MAC round punched through the craft and sent it spinning out of control. Unquote. Pages 108-109 The Fall of Reach. And before anyone says anything I know it said a godamn 30,000 meters per second! It should have said 30,000 kilometers because that would get across the 80 million kilometers that could be done by it in about 44 minutes if I did the math right. And so it seems that a Covenant ship can take a good amount of damge even a small one like that.
And I know they can fire from Warp, but the Covenant can shall sneak up on them when their in normal space going through the Slipstream. And I agree, ST ships maybe faster then some Covenant ships, but beyond them being at least tiwce the speed of an UNSC frigate for the Covenant frigate that the Commonwealth fought we don't now much.
And the other races in the Federation may be a bad thing if the Covenant get of to a good start and start preaching their crazy "lighting giant rings floating in space to become gods" stuff to those that do not look to human. And unless they have good defenses in space ground forces are worthless: 3 dozen Covenant ships can glass the surface of a world and boil away all the oceans and other sources of water in only an hour, and those are just Destroyers and Cruisers. And I don't know about them being out classed in weapons power, ship weapons (may depend on class) are at least on the same level. And they may get the Klingons help but I doubt if the RSE will help until the Covenant attack them, the others besides the Borg I don't know much about. But I don't think the Borg would be a bog threat since unless there's already a Cube(s) in Fed space it may take time for them to arrive and try and take the Covis out. It may be fun when they start playing that transmission; what do you guys think the Covenant would say back before firing? I can't think of anything right now, but post it if you come up with something funny. And now that I am thinking about it, did that fleet in The Die eas Cast fire Phasers or Torpedos in their attack on the Founders home world? And also, Josef086 and psychoak have you seen that trailer for Halo: Reach yet? It may give us a better idea of Covi weapon power based off the size of those explsions. I'll see if I can find it though and post a link here if I do, but look for it to.
Also, did you read a fanfic were it was called "the Big Mac n Cheese"? I would guess that would be one reason to hate the name. I would think really that the Federation would help the UNSC against the Covenant if they can push the Covie back first.
I have to go with the Covenant on any ground operations since they have better armor then and infantry then anything the Feds in other races have and can just far around thousands of Grunts on the ground as cannon fodder. And one way the Covenant could win easily would be to just park their ships right above cities were no one would dare to attack them without risking the lifes of those below. Just burn any shipyards like the Mars ones and others using planet side cover if possible. I wonder what the mass's of Redshirts would think if they had to fight a Scarab? There goes most of the Federation forces when they run for it. It seems that the Redshirts end up dying in droves all the time. Will tell me if I forgot something or made a mistake.
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