Extacide, I think the point, as many are saying, is that in comparison to similar skills (DD (+ Debuff) spells), Bite is is in its own class and with mana potion, max mana/HPs and mana/HPs regen items, it becomes too good. However, his other skills are slightly weaker than the average..but it doesn't make Bite any more ok as is. A slight rework of all his skills is in order.

While Bite is in a somewhat balanced state without items, it becomes slightly too good as the game goes on.

Now, should we reevaluate the items or should we bring a bit more in line the skill that is too efficient in its function? There are a few items that should be reevaluated either way, but the ones making Erebus out of league are basic ones easily attainable. That shows a slight imbalance in the progression of the skill efficiency.

It's not something absolutely game breaking, but it does tend to make Erebrus better than he should be against certain builds.

I personnaly do not think base mana is a serious contender for comparision as you can buy cheap mana potions and scaled helm right away which makes Bite that much more efficient the longer the fight lasts. It's true Sedna will be a pain to Erebus, but Sedna shouldn't be the only solution to him.

A 300 HP (and more later) life stealing + armor and speed debuff on the long run will outclass anything not doing at least 50% more damage a shot for equal mana cost (if no debuff associated like TB Fireball or Snipe). The problem is mainly in the first few levels, as if you can keep up with Erebrus level, you should be fine by lvl 8-10.

that is wrong dude i have fault a erebus with all the items he wanted and i still won

regulus with a cirtain item  and a sertain build  owns  late game

You might play agains a pro player using Erebus, stop grinding noobs

Because the recording of stats for players in this game is so amazingly accurate right now!

extacide,

i chose to compare Bite with Penitence specifically because there's so much overlap in what the two skills do. they both inflict a debuff that slows movement and increases damage taken. 

you're right to take into account the different base stats of Oak vs. Erebus when considering this. Oak has somewhat higher base mana and regen than Erebus but much lower gains per level. 

i think what you'll discover, after some brief calculations, is that Erebus has matched Oak's mana and regen as soon as they are both level 3 and he exceeds Oak's mana and regen for every level thereafter (due to his superiod gains per level compared to Oak). 

so really the situation is that Erebus, the DG with the better mana supply, is also provided with the more mana efficient ability.

here, check it out for youself

Erebus - http://demigod.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_Erebus - 

Oak - http://demigod.wikia.com/wiki/Oak - 

Well, so can the other team... Bite doesn't do an amazing amount of damage at all. It's just a debuff/self heal. Sedna can outlast an erebus. QoT can out-last an erebus. Oak will outlast Erebus. Pretty much ANY general will counter him, because they have much more support to mitigate his damage. He is literally an assassin/general hybrid. He is most effectively played as a general to support, or as a direct counter to ranged demigods. This is what I have observed thus far. I play exclusively premades as well, and I've yet to be contradicted. My stance can possibly change, but so can yours. Thats why I again, argue its too early to judge him.

He is also THE squishiest melee demigod there is. He has to rely on either A) his bite, or B) his minions. No one has yet to present a case where statwise/skillwise, he is SUPERIOR vs. other melee demigods. The only real melee demigod he can out-play (keyword, OUTPLAY) is a rook, because mistform/batform can dodge a slam and force a Rook back with no real way to nuke an erebus. One hit from slam though, and erebus is at HALF health in any equal situation. ANY stun in a team game, and there will be way too much damage for him to simply 'bite' it back. The game doesn't always play out 1v1, and people forget this.

Why is this a problem? From what I have seen and played so far, he can very easily be built to counter CERTAIN demigods. Every demigod can be built to out-play others. Bite still doesn't make him superior vs. other melee demigods, like UB, Oak or Sedna.

It's called counter-play man. This is where skill hasn't been factored into the whole, 'overpowered' equation.

As for the stupid mana argument that everyone else has been making, I'll grind out real numbers when I feel like it. They won't mean anything though, because you would have to put ALL of a demigod's skills into play, rate the skill efficiency which submerges into the realm of opinion, then put every demigod against eachother, which ultimately does no justice to a balance for a TEAM game. This in itself proves 'mana efficiency' a useless argument.

What I meant with "Better than it should be against certain builds" was about the counter builds of some Demigods being less effective than they should.

I'm perfectly happy with the fact some builds are getting raped by others. But the counters should really be counters and not inefficient.

Base mana means nothing with mana potions and scaled helm. Bite efficiency is not on base mana, it's on base mana + the rest. Everytime you use it, it's 300 dam on the other demigod and 300 HPs for you for similar cooldowns and mana costs, that's like a 600 HPs Fireball if you consider damage healed as damage done in a 1v1 fight.

A TB going against a Erebus, both with 2 mana potions, Erebus will wipe the floor with the TB and actually all DGs except Sedna. Time spent fleeing from Erebus is also giving the advantage to the opponent. Using 2 DGs to counter him also means a location without any interference for the opponent team.

On paper in a DG vs DG comparison it is balanced. In reality with basic items involved, it is not.

With argument like you're wrong i'm totally convinced. (If you're not gonna put the effort into least posting your arguement in this thread. Then why should we put forth the effort of taking you seriously?)

then at least copy paste the link to the thread you're talking about. honestly, at least try. we're not mind readers. 

For my part in it, I don't think Erebus is really overpowered.  I guess I do think that Mist form would probably be best removed and replaced with a different skill, and perhaps I think stuns in general are too good.  But I definitely think that Erebus is on par with Oak, Sedna, Regulus, and Torchbearer.

I think a big part of the problems is that the people who are complaining are largely playing as Unclean Beast.  And I think that Unclean Beast is far too weak against generals.

Though anyone who thinks that Fireball is worse than Bite has clearly either never played Torchbearer or never played Erebus.  The range on fireball and the lower cooldown make it far, far more useful than Bite, regardless of health steal.

bit isn't the most powerful or the most useful just that it is 3 in one is what people like but the major point is that it can be beaten