You can tell me that its too early to talk balance, that "the only OP demigod is always the one that kills you", there is no such thing as OP but that's BS.
Erebus is OP, and you can tell me I'm wrong but I guarantee you are going to see him get a nerf sooner or later.
Erebus's bite is NOT overpowered, put erebus and UB in a fight on crucible against rooks tower spam and QoTs absorb spam and see what happens
ub would pawn rook and erebus will fight qot and then ub will help and finsih her
sorry but that os how it would happen if the ub and erebus are smart
tower spam isn't a very good tactic
Agreed, and why the hell would you suggest rook vs UB when rook is probably UB's easiest match-up?
I've read your list of counter Si1foo, but I disagree with them.
All your counters are fairly easily outdone by Bite with mana regen and for a change, the only real effective counter listed is Sedna and her Silence at lvl 5! And it's not the silence that will give the advantage, but her Heal.
You even suggest to Freeze Erebus with TB so our friend can kill him? Hello? At the beginning you don't want to leave flags unchecked just so you *might* kill Erebus! And a good one will flee to the unchecked flag the second he sees you two coming.
Erebus is a complete beast 1v1 with his Bite and mana regen items. And most of the beginning of a game is 1v1 duels for flag control all over the map, except 1-2 where flags are close enough that you can do 2v2 without leaving a flag alone.
The problem is not that Erebus necessarely kills you, it's that he forces you to flee most of the time regardless of your DG (except Sedna) while he stays strong, earn gold and war effort while you are doing nothing.
Seriously, ou group of players still allows Erebus in our premade team games, but we ask not to use mana potions. That's how fucked up it currently is in the hands of a very good Erebus player. And it's not like we tried all your list of counters. Hell, we even tried mana stealing, lowering mana regen, increasing skill cost, etc..but that only works later, not in the first 4-5 levels.
Early game Erebus can't push towers so just hang back at your towers (except on Prison, which is a different game from the rest). If you aren't feeding him then all he is getting are more ranks of bite, not a bunch of gear on top of that.
Mid-game you want to still play defensively, but several other demigods start to be able to stand up to him and depending on your team makeup and theirs you may want to swap lanes to put someone strong against him mid-game in his lane to try and catch up on some lost war rank.
Late game is all about teamming up and roaming the map with your allies. Assuming things are relatively even because you didn't give up any kills early or mid-game, then Erebus isn't a very good team player. The short cooldown on Bite makes it good in 1v1 but in 2v2 or 3v3 it just doesn't have the sustained damage output that the other demigods have nor does it have the burst that other demigods have nor does it have the AoE that other demigods have.
Basically, just avoid dying to him early and mid-game and once you start pack hunting you'll likely be able to take him down because he doesn't team well. Of course, if you feed him early-game because you see him low on health so you push in and then he bites you to flip things around... the end-game turns out much different.
Staying at your towers is not an option. While you are at your tower, he has the flag and slowly giving the advantage to his team. We also tried ignoring him and pushing for the other flags, but it doesn't work too well either.
The first 5min of a game are nearly the most important and Erebus is making it a pain in the ass if we don't have a heal based Sedna to take on him.
Of course we could make a specific matchup to counter Erebus, but if we change to anti-Erebus, they change to Anti-Sedna then we change, etc..
We shouldn't see the opposing team heroes before the game starts in my opinion.
PS : Sedna is pretty much an anti-everything for the first 4-5 levels, somehow that doesn't feel any more right than Erebus, but that's another subject.
I'm looking at this from a "worst case" scenario of a team full of Erubi. If it's a mixed team then you should be able to take one lane and fight over any leftover flags in which case they aren't out-warranking you early-game.
In this "worst case" the Erubi are pushing all your flags and you are hanging back at your towers mostly defending. They will get some early war rank on you, yes, but the idea is that you don't give up kills early game so you can make it to mid-game with a equal amounts of gold (maybe a little shy due to them controlling a gold flag depending on the map). Once in mid-game you should be able to start pushing back on Erebus in different ways depending on your demigod of choice.
Rook: Tower push him.Torch: Harass with fireball (don't let him get bites off on you, just fireball and retreat).Regulus: Harass with mines.Unclean: Harass with venom.Oak: Mid-game you should actually be able to push him toe-to-toe. If you get low shield. Alternatively, harass with penitance.Queen: Same as oak, you should be able to take him head on mid-game, just play defensively, he should burn mana faster than you.Sedna: Same, take him head on and play defensively (conserve mana for heals).
You may notice a pattern here. Harass him with ranged attacks. Erubus' strength lies in his bite (melee attack). If you just keep harassing him with ranged damage eventually he'll have to fall back. If he does take up bat swarming in on you then rest assured he is burning through mana like no other (mid-game) and he can't sustain it. Just keep running to your towers when he does this and when he turns hit him in the back with ranged.
The problem with Erebus late game is that he is really good at getting away. However, when you are fighting group vs group, one of them getting away means they left their teammates alone against you. So let him get away and run back to his crystal, you can stick around and kill his teammates (or chase them all off in the case of multiple Erubi).
Remember, bite is strong, but it's also a melee ability. He does have a bit of a speed advantage but on any map but Prison that shouldn't matter too much because you only need to make it to your towers.
You can't really harass erebus. It is almost a waste of time (and mana). Better off focusing on killing creeps.
Mist dodge fireball and venom. If he does suffer damage, he will just bite back from some random thing. Minions walk over mines for kicks (use less mana to summon too). Penitence cost almost 2x more mana and deal less damage than he bite+heal across all level.
Towers is about the only thing keeping him away (and maybe siege idols and/or range auto attacks). Later level, silence from sedna is what provide the most pain to erebus.
u can beat erebus i have many times it is all about keeping ur cool and out smarting him
I started playing as Erebus only untill i am awsome with him. That took alot less time then i thought it would. I havent had any trouble 1v1 ing people from start to finish.
Erebus used to be the worst demigod when we beta'd the first couple weeks pre-release... absolutely the worst. Not even worth playing.
Im glad people at least think he's OP after his buff. At least he is being played now. Though, I never personally feel I'm outmatched by him. The only DG i have consistent trouble taking down myself is rook. And thats because Im playing sedna.
Anyway, bite is so buggy it doesn't even work most of the time. So technically he may be OP but also glitched. Probably balances it out for now until (after the networking code is fixed) there are DG balancing patches.
I dont understand how one calls something OP anyway. None of the demigods are good unless there's a good player behind them. For example, my roommate can seriously clean house with regulus, so when I lose to him I cry about regulus being OP. So he switched to Erebus, and still consistently smashes face. I suppose I could cry to nerf erebus too. Or I could just assume my roommate is a good player....
...And nerf him.
...in his sleep. MWA HA HAAAA.
sedna owns rook earily game late gamee sedna is weaker because it is hard to virtually impoissble get her health over 5000
they bug that is effecting bite is also effecting all other demis
a fox playing sedena, go figure!!!
ooo bringing our shit to other threads are you? you would stoop that low, you disgusting kitten!
I have out-lasted Erebus without mana potions in premade matches. I rarely use mana potions at all. If they want to burn mana, gold and cool downs playing aggressive, I'll just back off. If it becomes an issue, I tell a teammate to lend me a hand and push him back. Then I farm and get items before he does. You treat mana potions like they're free.
However, I will acknowledge that the availability of mana potions to both players does eliminate the factor of maximum mana, and CAN make mana cost relevent, ASSUMING that both players use mana potions. THAT is an imbalance, but that isn't an issue with Erebus, and it can't simply be concluded based off of comparing only TWO skills between demigods. I think it could easily be solved if they simply made mana potions % based, rather than number based though, if you wanted any solution. As for mana regen items, Erebus is asking to get spanked without tank items to even compare in melee vs. the likes of UB/Rook/Oak. His bite doesn't scale as well as other 'nuke' skills. And again, proper team work can easily mitigate the small damage. Bite is one of his few options to live in melee. He can only have so many mana potions assuming he doesnt have 100,000 gold worth of mana regen to bite every cool down indefinitely. Even if he doesn't die, he has probably lost a level/gold by not being around to farm.
I still haven't seen an Erebus out micro-manage me and out-farm me simply and solely because of his 'bite.' There is such a giant threshold for differences in skill.
He's not overpowered at all, I can take Erebus with no problem using Rook or Unclean Beast, and I've done so tons of times with no problem. I played him a bit, he's okay, but he's killable and it's not a problem.
I am not the one to say if Lord Erebus IS OP or what ever. But he does seem to be stronger then i think is fair.
Heres a replay http://www.multianna.com/temp/demi/impossible-erebus.zip
I find it crazy that one DG can run around your base without any worries for towers and other DG's
There were at this one point we where fighting him, me as rook with about 8 towers + hitting him and my ally who were Queen of Thorns who shielded me, still he forced us both to retreat even tho we were about the same level.
The game were lost, due to one DG, i cant stop to wonder why one DG has to be this strong compared to the rest.
There is a build i hear about in so many games, cant say i know for myself yet as i havent really played with him, But if you build him in a certain way he is almost unstopplable. Something about if he does the minion way he wont be anything to worry about.
I'm not even going to bother watching with out even knowing where the reply came from. If it's a pantheon match, I could make you cry with my replays. ANY dg that gets farmed, can waltz in a base. It tends to happen when you're significantly worse than the other player.
You mean the build that requires ashkandor, mageslayer, bulwark, cloak of elfin and allfather ring? Oh right. It costs 100,000+ gold, and would require the other team to immensely suck and feed him dozens of kills.
I find it laughable how much you suck.
i find it laughable how much dmg i do regulus when it is late game i was doing like 700 per shot and crits like 3000 i was laughing as i kepted killing them so easy
fyi, very kinky
lol that cat looks like it is having a staring contest
Remember, Erebus is an incredibly fragile melee combatant if you nullify the healing edge from his bite. All you need to do is mitigate the damage, and he can't heal without wasting gold on potions. A character like Oak or QoT does this very nicely, as Shield and Bramble Shield both shut Erebus down.
Erebus gets health from biting a queen's shield and an immune oak.
If you dont even bother watching the replay, then you dont really know what your talking about lol
Also if your that good, why dont you give some hints as to what to do with the DG's i said where in the fight, instead of the childish reply "you suck"
As i said, i dont know if its OP or not, just dont see any other DG's able to do as Lord Erebus can "under fire" so to say.
Thanks for the advice, just that i see him for the opposit. As a really strong melee DG. I did stun him several times with the boulder roll and we hit him for as much as possible, as soon he was out of the stun he were on me with the bite and could easily kill me while there were several towers around.
If he is not OP, then there are very few who know how to counter him, and it shows in MP as teams sometimes gets 2-3 of him
I understood it completely. You whined about getting owned, then came to this forum butthurt because there is obviously no way that you, the best demigod player in the world, can lose without it being an imbalance in the game. Haha.
I don't need to prove anything to you, and I could care less how good you think I am. You're in this thread trying to make biased claims of imbalance. It's not my responsibility to walk you through this game.
Then go play some more pantheon matches and wait until another player rapes with a different demigod.
lololollollollolo god you're stupid.
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