Well I was lucky enough to get a hold of the recently released private beta of DOW2 (for Soulstorm owners, next week it goes public) and I thought I'd share my opinions with everyone as well as get the chance to hear the views of fellow gamers. Note my experience relates to 3v3 matches, the beta also allows for 1v1 matches.
Introduction
Right off the bat, if you have played and loved any or all of the previous entries in the DOW series you will be throwing away most of what you know and are used to. DOW2 resembles Company of Heroes far more than its actual forefather and while this is no means a bad thing it is certain to ruffle a few feathers.
Setting Up The Game
Firing up the game through Steam, you will be treated an excellent pre-rendered scene that is comparable to that of the original DOW, many of you will recognise it from long released media but it never gets old. Into the home screen now and you have a few choices at hand. Firstly you will have to create/log into a Games For Windows Live account, if like me you have a Live account for your 360 you can simply use that. If not you will need a Windows Live Passport (essentially a hotmail or associate MS account). Now having signed in, you can persuse through the options menu which will allow you to tinker with most graphic settings as well as sound and control options. As far as I can tell, in the beta there is no option to bind keys.
After hitting what you think is your performance sweet spot (use COH as a reference as DOW2 uses an enhanced version of the same engine - Essence Engine 2.0 for the curious-) you jump into the multiplayer option. From here you can either allow the Games For Windows matchmaking system to find a game for you, peruse through a lobby or create your own custom game. Starting from scratch the Trueskill system seemed to do its job well enough as from 4 games I was never hopelessly outclassed nor was I ruthlessly crushing the dreams of innocent young lambs.
Much like the beta of Demigod you can set up a game so that you are only versing computer opponents. Use it as a quick baptism or for a casual game but get out of there asap if you are looking for a competitive game. I'm no mug but nor am I a gung-ho wannabe-pro when it comes to RTS but the AI posed little challenge, even at high levels.
Phew, lots of info to digest! I'm sorry about the long winded nature of the content but I figured I'd give most everything a run down. Joining a game lobby will see you making your choice of race (Space Marines, Eldar, Orks, Tyranids) and your commander type. (it varies from race but generally it's Attack, Defence, Support). You also have the option to invite up to two of your buddies into the match. Once connected properly to a game lobby you can change round you race/hero choices and chat to your allies. Normal fare here.
Come match time you start with your commander and 1 unit of your lowest tech troops. All 3 bases are right next to each other and each building is essentially the only building each team will get so treasure them. Once again COH veterans will be familiar with game types; Victory Point Control and Annihilation. Essentially both games will boil down to one side dominating the capture points. All capture points can be taken by infantry units or hero units but to my knowledge no vehicle can take a point.
Resources
Resources are broken into Power and Requisition. Req points need only be captured to yield +11 points/min. Power points need first be captured for a +2/min yield, then need to be invested in with Req to activate and then lay down up to 3 generators for a maximum yield of +19/min.
My impression is that this game is geared towards resource scarcity. Unless you are completely dominating all the resource locations you will in no way be able to spam units (i'll deal with spamming later). This will force you to treasure your units at hand. You WILL use cover and you WILL learn when to retreat. However, as a reward for clever tactics, squads thatstay together will gain experience and level up. Currently this leads only to increased HP and perhaps increased damage (the only stat visible is HP so I'll unsure). However, squads do not gain new abilities with levels which is a bit of a downer but it could change with DLC.
Commanders
Onto Commanders... Commanders are useful creatures, usually providing you with a means to turn the tide of battle to your favour. So far i've made use of the Space Marine Commander (A), SM Tech Marine(D), Eldar Farseer(S), Eldar Warlock(A) and Tyranid Hive Tyrant(A). So it has been Attack/Support primarily. Commanders don't start out too flash and can easily be downed if you aren't awake to danger. Once downed you can either pay Req to revive them, starting out at roughly 700 points, capping down at 250 once enough time has elapsed. Or an allied hero can revive them. Either one proves to be a pain in the midst of battle so be sure to look after them.
Like units they too level up and like normal units they do not gain abilities based on their levels. Instead their abilities are tied to either purchasable wargear or to the Tech level of your base (starting at 1 and capping at 3). Furthermore abilities generally cost a combination of Req/Power AND each races unique ability currency e.g Zeal/Waaagh etc. There is a nice assortment of abilities, ranging from relatively low cast enhancements to massively expensive game-turning ones. You will never get tired of blowing 900 zeal (of a possible 999) and 900 Req points to drop a squad of terminators on your opponent.
Population Cap
Your population is capped at 100 and you are only given 8 or so unit choices to fill that roster, some of which are merely different permutations of the same unit i.e Heavy Bolter Devastator Squad and Plasma Cannon Devastator Squad. Tech 1 units can and most likely will be carried through to Tech 3 and there are some nice goodies to be had at the higher tiers. Coming back to that spamming line i mentioned earlier, the pop cap coupled with the Req/Power cost of units will likely prevent many players from spamming game turning units. Dreadnoughts, Wraithlords, Carnifexes and co. are hard to obtain and units like Terminators and Venerable Dreadnoughts, which rely on Zeal can be at times nigh impossible to gain access to. This makes strategising your unit choices essentially your highest priority.
Many players will find the choices limiting and will be left wondering why so many units were left out. Swallowing my own dissapointment, the best answer I can give is that tactical nature of the gameplay lends itself to fewer more specialised squads. So while it would be awesome to have Striking Scorpions AND Howling Banshees, having both would prove to be redundtant. There is however hope, as Relic has promised there will be (free?) DLC to expand on the game, although mum is the word on the actual content right now.
Final Thoughts
So far it would seem that DOW2 is really COH:41st Millenium, which at heart is really the truth. Funnily enough, at times I actually felt DOW2 was channeling Demigod, with the way in which you must utilise your commanders and the ebb and flow of the battlefield. Ultimately though, DOW2 may alienate players migrating from DOW1. Compared to the zany, frenetic gameplay of the original, DOW2 has taken a more measured, tactical approach ala COH. Once I found my groove though, I thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
Once again sorry for the epic rambling nature of the post but once i'm on a roll I tend to be nigh impossible to stop. If anyone has any questions I will do my best to answer them and I'd be more than happy to discuss the game with fellow beta testers. Finally if anyone wants to play a game with me, pm me. But bear in mind I do reside in Australia, i am somewhat of a night owl but there are limits if you crazy kids come from somewhere in the northern hemisphere/other side of the world.
cheers all!
I remember I did the Dark Eldar one, but I don't remember much of it.. which probably means it wasn't terribly annoying or extremely spectacular. I think it had 3 mini-bases that powered their super-abilities or something, and once in a while the main guy would ride out on his big barge (Dais of Destruction, I do believe ). I only did it once when I played the Sisters (which was too easy, btw.. those masses of flamers!), but the next game with Tau I abandoned after the Sisters stronghold.
I agree whole-heartedly.
My over-all 1st impressions after about 5 hours of play...it is a CoH off-shoot. I liked CoH and so far, I like what I see for DoW2. Played my 1st 3 games against AI and then started into the MP side. The more I play, the more I likey. I imagine that this game will last and get better and better throughout the next few years.
By the way, my user name is TheSpydyr, anyone that wants to add me, feel free...Anny if your on and want to do a couple of battles, it would be fun.
I'll add everybody to my GFWL account tomorrow.
About those Soulstorm missions....
The Soulstorm stronghold missions are long and kinda tedious....looking for ways to shortcut them. Found a few.
Sisters of Battle: Ignore the left side of the map (tank quest included) and instead setup lots of turrets left to the relic. That will deal with the crusade. Their tanks will come to your base and not do any damage so don't worry about them.
In the beginning, go left and destroy the small base. After that hold to the right and go up to the relic/aircraft factories.
The Living Saint is not hard to defeat. She teleports between the base and her 4 statues. Start attacking one statue to get the Saint to go there then hit another statue with something heavy. AFAIK, she won't teleport to another statue as long as you keep your unit around the first statue. Repeat it three times and you're done (it's not that hard. Aircraft can do it too). Then just focus on the HQ and you're done.
Tau: Ok. This one is tough. Put up quite some turrets and keep something ranged in the heavy covers just outside your base to deal with the attacks on your base. Take the Ar'ka cannon and head right to stop the first guidance beacon. Then go up on the right side until all 3 are destroyed. Then go for the relic (guarded by Hammerhead Gunships and Broadsides). Depending on army, you can just use artillery to destroy the Coalition center from the relic.
Orks: Turret up around the killy spot and go north and then east. Alternatively, use heavy aircraft from the south.
Necron: It may work with aircraft from the backs. Haven't tried though
Space Marine and Eldar have too powerful anti-air to shortcut the mission. Space Marines also have too powerful counterattacks to leave the western side unchecked.
Chaos: Ignore the southwestern side of the map.
Dark Eldar: Attack the north base (the one with the Ancient Gate) and bring heavy antivehicle units to destroy the Dias of Destruction and turret up your base (wonder if Tau Stealthsuit EMP grenades work against it....) Think aircraft raids are unlikely to work duo to Scourges and Ravagers. Those things vaporize everything that even looks like a vehicle!
When i think of WH40K, i think of thousands of Space Marines battling it out against scores of orcs, uncountable numbers of 'nids and stealthy Eldar, executing key figures, in the mid.
I think of massive battles.
DoWII gives me ... 20 Marines vs. 20 Eldar vs. 30 Orcs vs. 30 'nids. Its not massive. Its not even huge, or big. I wouldnt even call it a battle. Its a skirmisch at most.
In addition the cover system is so watered down, its useless. The second i notice my position is attacked, its already overrun.
For me its a huge letdown [e digicons][/e]
I have to agree with you on the cover system...it blows ass right now...they need to fix that.
Most marine/eldar armies for me are about 15-20. Ork armies are around 30. Most games that last more than 10 minutes see nid armies of over 60. I like the flavor.
The cover system is only somewhat watered down. You just cannot afford to let melee get on your ranged, or get hit by a grenade, period. One good grenade, artillery shell, or a few seconds of melee on your units and you've lost the fight. On the other hand, infantry in cover can fire at each other for well over a minute without troops dying. Is this good or bad? I'm not sure. I do know I'm enjoying the game more than demigod at the moment (though they are pretty different), but that may relate to the fact that I often spend 20-30 minutes trying to get a demigod game started before I give up.
I like Demigod much more atm. Different tastes and all.
I really hope the single player campaign for DoWII is good, but media says its mediocre.
I will buy it anyway, and see for myself.
As much as I've been enjoying the beta, I've come to the conclusion that it's not a must-buy game for me. I'll probably wait and see how Relic's promised new, better, smarter patching comes along and purchase if they really do end up polishing their product.
In case anyone's waiting for it, Dow2 is 50% off on Steam and Direct2Drive this weekend, just after they released patch 1.5.
I was thinking of buying the Gold pack with DoW 2 + first expansion but I may take the 50% offer.
Edit: What a bunch of scoundrels steam are!! They normally charge an ABSURD 50 euro (521:- SEK) and this bluff offer lowers the price to 260:- SEK which is a joke since I can get it for 289:- SEK!
That was a good marketing ploy you pulled there steam....made me believe I could get it for half the price it costs in Sweden but I should have known that they meant their own outrageous price!
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