who or what is Puketin ???

As a long term Military Man, i feel i need to explain about Artillery and Rockets.

Artillery

Even though we have had this form of warfare for Hundreds of years, it is still , even now not an exact Delivery System. Artillery is cheap to produce and launch, but make no mistake, it is not a Smart weapon. Putin and his Generals can actually make the claim "They Are Not Targeting Civilians" (please do not have a go at me), this is just how it is. Yes we have all seen "Smart Weapons In Action" which can hit a Penny from miles away, but Artillery is not even close to smart weapon Systems. This is why prosecuting Putin and his Generals will be difficult. Cruise Missiles are a different thing completely, and this is how they hit a base just inside the Polish Border in the full understanding it would land were it was meant to and hence a legitimate Target.

Rocket Artillery

The main difference with Rockets is the propulsion system, early made Rockets using older Tech can be just as inaccurate as Artillery, but Modern Rocket Launch Weapon Systems usually have some form of GPS inside making them a lot more accurate. Putin, due to the cost of war, will almost certainly but not exclusively be using Rockets that have not changed much in design since 1969. Do not get me wrong, Putin will have the latest possible tech in Rockets just like the rest of the first world, but as the tech improves so does the cost and to Level Ukrainian Cities on mass like we are seeing right now, plenty of low spec Rockets will be used widely.

Putin and his security council will start and already is using Smart weapon systems in lower numbers at first to make precise strikes, but all modern warfare strategies at first use Artillery and older rocket in such numbers we are seeing in Ukraine now, very cheap to produce on mass and to Deliver, just not accurate.

Once Putin thinks his Army has surrounded all the key cities he has his grubby eyes on, then we will see more of his High Value and Very accurate Weapon Systems brought to bear on said cities as he will want to decide(probably already has decided) which infrastructure he wants to try to keep intact or as much as war allows. Odessa could have already been destroyed as it is a crucial link to the black sea and is important to both sides as shipping in stuff is far more productive than any other means in the long term, but it still stands and that is no mistake on Putin's thinking.

The Ukrainian people will make him fight for every inch of ground, i admire this beyond belief, but make no mistake, due to this he will change plans soon enough and bring Terrible Weapon Systems into the fray.

Zelensky is 100% correct, we will need to stand up and be counted, either that be closing the sky's and coming into direct possible conflict with RF Air Force or bordering countries( it will be the old Russian satellite countries) entering on the side of the Ukrainian Forces, then all our Governments will have to explain, and we will hear the phrase,

"Why Not Yesterday"

Doing my part and No matter what, I Stand With Ukraine.

RF has nuke  supersonics that can dodge and currently cannot be intercepted by the US

and the danger to one nuke WW3 exists

During the Vietnam conflict The U.S. bombed the hell out of North Vietnam. Hanoi was reduced to rubble. You think women, children, old people, babies weren't killed? Of course they were. In WWII Tokyo was literally burned to a crisp. There were firestorms in the streets. Many civilians were killed. This is war. This is modern war. Dresden Germany was bombed over the period of a few days. Many of the bombs were incendiaries and as many as 30,000 died. Many many women and children died in the fires. Total War. Look what Sherman did in The South during the civil war. He waged war on anyone in his path. War is hell no matter who wages it. I could go on and on with examples. We could go back to ancient times. Sacking of cities. Whole populations decimated. Mans cruelty to man seemingly knows no limits.

This is happening again in Ukraine. Don't get me wrong. I'm on Ukraine's side. I'm from the West. I believe in Democratic-Republics. I don't go for the authoritarian form of governments like in Russia and China. I'm not bringing all that other stuff other than to illustrate that we shouldn't be surprised by war. It's terrible.

They're showing what Assad and Putin did in Syria. Seems to me we in the West looked the other way when that happened. Shame on us. A lot of people seem to be acting like this is the first time civilians have been bombed. It's not. The U.S, did it in Iraq for Christs sake! 

What if the West has to engage Russia in Nuclear war? It could destroy the whole world as we know it. What would China do if that happened? Would they join in? Would they take advantage of the situation and try attacking The U.S. , Australia and Japan? We'd have to nuke them as well. Where would it end? What would be left of civilization? Of mankind? Talk about Total war. This would take that to a level not thought possible.

I'm not scared. I've been living with the threat of total nuclear destruction my whole life. When I was a kid I was one of the kids who had to Duck and Cover. If it comes it comes. Just want it to be quick.

All this and how the Earth has been raped environmentally well I just don't think humans deserve this planet. Humans are evil by nature and that's the bottom line.

OK...so we lasted 1 and a 1/2 pages before it got political...as in Republican vs Democrat [American] so sadly folks you now need to go to Joe User to continue.

I agree, trying to stay neutral here but there is flame bait for sure.

Last week I told my brother Russia will be wanting Alaska back before you know it. I was joking. Well guess what, they do.

All I can say is COME AND GET IT.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/15/putins-spin-doc-wants-reparation-from-u-s-and-alaska-back/

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

Stardock's Forum rules prohibit political discussion in all  sub-sections except 'Politics' itself.

To maintain decorum any such are relocated.

I think we have gotten too deep into American issue's here. It is a snowball of one political slant hitting another and then snowballing out of control. God and Politics should remain a personal thing in my opinion. If you talk about them there is a definite chance someone will be offended and they run too deep to change anyone's mind on a forum like this. I do think there were some people genuinely interested and concerned about the Russian invasion.

I do think there were some people genuinely interested and concerned about the Russian invasion.

Yes indeed. You guys settle down now. Let's get back on topic.

Let's go back to post #64. What do you think about that?

To be clear Russia isn't threating to invade Alaska they say we should hand it over. lol

And there's more: 

Russia announced sanctions Tuesday against Americans including President Joe Biden, his scandal-scarred son Hunter Biden and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. https://nypost.com/2022/03/15/russia-sanctions-joe-and-hunter-biden-hillary-clinton-more/

The issue with closing the skies right now is a Putin thing. For many years the west has seen him as Stable leader, although one to make threats etc...  , right now he seems to have gone Rogue and if his back is against the wall , will he actually launch his Nuclear options, which as i am sure you will agree would change the world for the worst, no one wins in that situation, then it is a case of who remains the least of the losers. NATO would now prefer to have another leadership in the RF top job, someone who will not go Nuclear if they are losing.