I have played vs Grandor and he is v good with phc. Beat him with little problems without using overcharge spending half of my reading tooltips. I dont see any reason to play sub and from my feedback, i can bet alot of players can now abuse substrate in a proper way.

All I need to know I have learned from high ranked sub players. From my games vs.danail I have learned that if I cant force a fight in a chokepoint, in the first 10 min with an emp and to follow that.up with a kill, he will choke mewith 8 assemblies while I strugle keeping two armories and 1 quanta fabricator in queue with deficit rads.

If sub play his card right he will kill you with cruiser spam or follow.that up with dreads. Phc only card in high lvl is to turtle like no tomorrow untill his refineries will allow.to mass field hyperion.

Yea overcharge is worth maybe 1 cruiser for a fair bit of quanta

I want to have a solution for the early airfight and the AA problem which destroys gameplay on widely separated maps therefor:

 We need an opening possibilitie in which PHC does not suffer like being in hell.

Watched the above video.  There is definitely something wrong with the PHC fighter.

for the first one yes and no: The map decides the hard points and also the hq will always be a target in the game i have to adjust my turteling but carefully.

the second, yes: i have to speed up things with aa and building production and create a zone where he wont fight me and secure the region tightly, i take its as the first priority, never second, by then its to late and he will have won the second step.

with one nemesies, No: but there are options to cut him off guard, (such as when the avatar is trying to capture a node and wiche one the player deems as a favorable target) but you need to act quick enough and see what he wants to do with the one avatar also nemesies is not a good choice for the avatar countering, you will need athena. or build a sentinel at the next target the avatar will make. one worker wont be able to build it quick enought unless you start with it early.

 #2

yes, but i have to be carefull where to strike and some times be paticent for the defences to crumble, rushing wont give me good results. also i need to ensure my options are not limited to one strat

yes i did watch it: the map is not favorable to any player, dramatic/fast actions are requird any thing that can speed up the counter options is must do.

if you mean if i am on the offensivly: then yes but it will take some time due to hp of the defensive structures so i will have to be clever picking out weak spots and make an opening for orbital, air, and building counter units, they are defences but that dosent mean it is impenetrable.

That did look frustrating. Maybe Falcon AA right after the air factory would've helped? You didn't need to build all the rad extractors that early in the game. I was surprised at the fight of the dominator vs fury though - stats-wise, the fury should win - seemed like there was some unlucky randomness there. You can see the autocannon firing but no damage being done.

mhhh running with the avatar will mean i have to keep a good eye on it, also the subs scouting ablity is the same price as the phc (i think 25 quanta at the start) also dont forget units can give you information, lets say the avatar can scout you out like, what are you building, what units have you build, that info is gold for the sub players, i means i can match my production with yours, also dont forget the avatar can build factories on their own and resort to early suppresion i nearby territory, but this cuts both ways the phc can also do this, (if you havent tried it out yet then do so)

 and there is one way you can deal with the avatar problem (aggresivly) kill the orbital building using incursion or other methodes, ensure your attack have two layers to it such as incrusion and two air bombers or other x factors.

Defensivly i reccomend to have a tier 2 factory a bit away from the Hq area of action and build up the counter units, if the main production is stalled by avatars. if he keeps on doing this while he is expanding build a factory hidden but close to his production and wreck them before his army can respond, use trickery to misguide your opponents.

most top players tends to focuse more on expanding and defending these areas, but their base is where their guard is thinnest as long as the main army is not there and this give the oppertunity to punish him.

also i noticed a lot of people tends to stream their units in a line, this opens another window for thinning the main army. (you can try to set up a small turtle base as long as you can provide it with support and have options to lead the opponetns main army to that location (orbital strike, air anytyhing you can think about)

the subs do pay a lot more for their units, but then again what does the phc invest into ? defences is one thing that takes away metal, engineers is another thing, factories. also how much does the phc unit production drain ? i tend to see that the phc drains a lot more of their eco per sec than the substrate does, maybe they just need longer build time in exchange for less drain per sec.

not to mention the substrate does invest very little into defences early one and are not as expensive as the phc, but are not close in terms of durability and longevity so for the substrate the army is everything for them thats why they invest more into it since its top priority on their list.

also what do you mean same cost as nemisies ? (are you refering to the mauler or the eradicator?) also if you are refering to the eradicator it does cost a lot of radioactives and metal combined. the mauler is a tier 2 counter unit the nemisies is not a tier 2 counter unit by design its meant to destroy dreads, and thats why you only build them if you know, you are gonna face a dread.

if you think its to expensive then dont produce it, after all you got the Athena, that counter tier 2 units and can destroy a dread in decent amount of number. 

Against the mauler you will need to out tech the player and have a bit support to help you gain the upper hand, also number is an x factor, not to mention the Athena is new (so we the players will have to see where it stands balancewise.)

also do not forget the mauler cant be healed by support units, the Athena can be healed by medics (few exception x factors sub support dread, and orbitals on both sides.

the phc have less costly orbitals building they are cheap in comparsion to the substrate ones, however their infrastructure is a lot more pricy thus many phc players tend to play economicly, in the start of the game, the substrate have have less pricy factories and spend less income on the production infrastructure, so they will gain a faster hand on that term (early production) but in order to beat the phc, teching up early is vital for them and getting the orbital counters against the phc such as emp or plasma storm, the phc has the advantege of getting there much quicker due to the fact their orbital buildings cost less, so your early orbital game options is a lot bigger than the substrate.

so i suggest to try sometihng different for a strat change, tech up early for the units instead of going the eco route. and go for more quanta focused build and have the orbitals support early alonge the tech uppgrade for units. (take advantege of the faction strenght that they have early on before the substrate is allowed to gain the initiative of deciding the time and when a battle happens.

(you have to take on them before they are rdy to strike)

Numbers are one part and the numbers we had are not precise but you wrote that in fact in your last sentences.

For example:

2x Athena 2x Brute 4x Archer 2x Medics can be killed by 2x Athena 1x Brute 2x Archer 1x Medic. How is that possible? If the second Athena is maybe a bit behind (I am talking about a little bit) it is possible that you lost your 2x Athena and there is one Athena left.

To be more precise:

Start:

#1=2Athena +2Brute+4Archer+2Medics

#2=2Athena +1Brute+2Archer+1Medic

After a few sec.

#1=0Athena +2Brute+4Archer+2Medics

#2=1Athena +1Brute+2Archer+1Medic

->#2 will win the fight now (I have a video which can show that)

That happens because the dmg output of the Athena and similar units is so high that other units like medics brute archer cannot deliver their dmg healing over the time that they are less significant and the game is more depending from where your units are at that point in time. Even if you think your units are well placed and you had a lot more, there exist the possibility that you lose the fight. -> This is in fact not stable. The outcome could be one time in favour of #1 and some other time in favour of #2 -> I don't like that. I dont like to lose if I have more -you maybe as well.

The difference betwen 15 and 9 is significant: and the numbers of the dmg are not even true if you consider that your aircraft is faster there and you have the second one faster. To get a conclusion you have to consider more numbers.

This is very true. Land units are more predictable and controllable here than air units though so I feel like the player still has a lot of input and control re: positioning, focus firing, timing, use of terrain and line of sight, etc. 

The question for me is: Do they patch the air problem and when they do that.