MICROSOFT STOLE MY SPECCY
Last night I started my machine out of hibernation to be presented with the log on screen, (normally it goes to my desktop), after logging on I had a pale blue screen and in large letters a message; ‘YOUR COMPUTER HAS BEEN UPDATED’, this was there for a few seconds before being replaced with ‘NONE OF YOUR FILES HAVE BEEN MOVED OR CHANGED, THEY ARE STILL IN THEIR ORIGINAL PLACE’ or words to that effect. My first thoughts were. Sh*t, I’ve been hijacked, especially when the your computer has been updated appeared again. Then a message appeared in the bottom right hand corner, ‘SOME OF YOUR PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN REMOVED, AS THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM’. Sh*t again, waiting for a ransom demand. This screen was there for several minutes before I hit off switch and rebooted.
Log on screen as normal, logged in, OK, then a message, Speccy has been removed as it is not compatible with your OS. I clicked on the icon, NO SPECCY, cannot be found, Sh*t. Went to control panel, programs, no speccy. At no time did I have a message about an MS update.
Did a full security scan, no malware or virus’s
Checked my build no, Windows 10, V1511. 10586.29. then checked updates, Security update KB3116900 03/01/16. I then checked online, apparently this is the P I A November update, many people have had similar problems with the update removing so called incompatible programs, after this review, I found that CC cleaner had also gone. How many more? Perhaps I will find out over the next few days.
One interesting point, when I installed Windows 10 at the end of July/early August I was one of those who installed window blinds and Iconpackager before the warnings. I removed WB after following the threads, but didn’t remove IP because of the many problems people had had when uninstalling. It is true to say that I have had no problems with IP, except that it does not alter the folder icons. The latest Windows 10 update reset all of my icons, but did not flag IP as incompatible, I have manually changed all of those icons which I could, each time W10 sent me to IP for the Icon. I will not use IP now to blanket change my icons as I do not want to risk it, I dread to think what might have happened if the update had tried to remove IP. Is Microsoft going to determine what programs are allowed on their OS in the future?
My main concern (apart from being Pi**ed off at losing my programs) is if MS can remove programs during an update, what stealthware can it install to spy on and monitor our files at the same time, will it start to remove non DRM items, like Amazon tried with the Kindle several years ago. Even more to worry about with MS, (apart from my wife who has MS, but that is another story).
Also glad to report that no problems with WB10 after the update.
Seriously, the paranoia is amazing.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9964/microsoft-to-only-support-new-processors-on-windows-10
(note.. the title of the article was edited to: Microsoft Will Not Support Upcoming Processors Except On Windows 10)
not sure if it's news or completely expected. for example... installing win7 on skylake machines needs fiddling (win7 doens't support usb3, skylake doesn't natively support usb2)
Genius! Sounds like they are chasing the people who have no idea what they are doing to Win10 and chasing many of those of who have been Windows fans ("power-users" - basically the free support for non-technical Windows users for years) to other OSs completely, likely Linux. Well done MS! I don't think there will a mass migration, but I think this and some of the other points from this thread will start more and more heading in that direction.
Actually, Windows 7 doesn't ship with USB 3.0 support, but the drivers can be added to 7 from the device's MFG site.
Your link isn't working.
yes, i know. which is why i said installation needs fiddling... as you supposedly need to mod the iso to install, whether from usb stick or from dvd.
(is there a plain text editor for this forum? don't need all the fancy stuff that copy/paste extra bits like link/font sizes and what not)
that said, we all know that the majority of (consumer) windows users get it with new machines, and only a tiny minority go around buying the os, nevermind using older versions on new hardware. and for those, there's always linux. the article seems to think it'll be the business users that'll suffer the most.
I don't think it's about paranoia. It's about privacy. Microsoft has gone to extreme measures to collect data:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzc5wK2-pc
As someone who used to like Microsoft software I am alarmed about the direction Microsoft is taking with Windows 10. If this becomes the new normal then the world is in a pretty sad state.
Adding driver support for new hardware in Win7 is called making them auto update with windows update, it's got nothing to do with the hardware actually working, that's all on the manufacturers.
Precisely! And when much of that data collection is more about targeted advertising than improving Windows, it is even more of a betrayal. It's not bad enough that we're confronted with advertising at every which turn, now Microsoft has added it to Windows by way of those ghastly looking tiles on the start menu.. I mean, where is it going to stop? With popups in Windows Explorer.... in the dialogue box during 'copy and move'... or while you're waiting for defrag to finish??
Yes, Microsoft has gone too far. Well if it hasn't [in the minds of some] it WILL.
That should be entered in every dictionary as "the very essence of paranoia"
just curious without lamenting whether or not Win10 is good. Do you really believe that the privacy policy in not intrusive?
Yes.
It is all about the modern 'need' for cloud computing...interactivity between all your other hardware like phones...tablets...to enable them to be synchronized, etc.
Data needs to be transferred....which means it needs to be compared...eg old vs new versions etc.
Simple synchronizing backup software does that.
Everyone has software that 'looks at' their files...and as we get into a truly global/infusive technology lifestyle more and more information will be read to maintain connectivity and function.
All these Facebooks, Twitters et al ... are the blame for most of it.
If you took out the cloud.... 'connectivity' apps [facebook] and browser searching functions not only would idiot-paranoia go away...but so would modern computer connectivity and function.
Exactly NOTHING has happened between the release of 8 and 10 to LEGITIMATELY scare anyone.
....other than the potential for breaking an OS via 'forced updates'.
The forcing people to upgrade to Win 10 has taken on a new look.... and it's NOT a good look, either..... see here.
Okay, so I have done this now.... and my opinion of Win 10 remains the same.
I have now spent several hours with Win 10 on Shaunna's new laptop, and frankly, I just don't like it. For a start the Start Menu is an abomination, which thankfully Start10 can fix... if only the system icons could be fixed as easily.
Not only that, MS has unnecessarily changed the names and places of things, thus making familiar tools and apps more difficult to find/use than need be. Then there's all the privacy settings that need tweaking.... not that all can be.
Put in a nutshell, I don't like 10 at all. True, 3rd party apps can fix 'some' of its woes, same as in Win 8, but 10 has far more wrong with it than 8 ever did.
I spent little time deleting (most of) the default Mickey Mouse stuff and loaded it up with some useful small-sized links and ended up with a decent Menu/Launcher dock style combination. Good for those times when a person wants to "run lean".
For me WB10 and ObjectDock and Start10 is all I need. No fancy this, that or the other thing. I got a clean start menu, access across the board and then some. W10 may start butt fugly but you can change that up real quick. IMO...the only advantage it has over 8.1 is that its a bit faster.
I absolutely hate windows 10 i much rather vister or 7, 8 mmmm, i reckon windows should make it that if someone prefers a particular OS then then they should be able to re write if they so choose IMO
Microsoft's EULAs since XP I have found horrific. They can and will freeze the OS so WIndows will no longer run, essentially bricking your computer if you make too many hardware modifications to 'your' computer, then you have to get their special permission to unlock it so you can continue to use your PC. I'm not so terrified of Defender, but the EULA is atrocious.
It was worse when XP first came out and they've eased slightly since then, but they still do it if you change graphics cards, hard drives or other hardware on your computer too many times. I consider that every bit as bad as obtrusive DRM on a game, except given its the operating system, I find it less tolerable -- I can (and do) resist the urge to buy a game if I read it has always-on DRM, but you can't do that with Windows without losing access to all the games and software I've become accustomed to.
I keep telling myself, and yeah I do need to use and acclamate to Linux ... and I think Windows 7 will probably be the end of the Microsoft line for me. Hopefully SteamOS will make Linux a more viable option, if for no other reason than Valve putting the weight of Steam's popularity behind Linux games development.
WELL........... I put WIN 10 on my WIN 7 machine and it's a lot better than my WIN 10 on my 8.1 laptop.. Big difference in fact!
These words coming back to bite you in the arse yet? ....
[and auto-correct....stop underlining 'arse' .....it's how 'ass' should be spelled .... ]
Nope.... still don't like it. Uses more CPU and RAM.... ain't no faster than 8.1
Moreover, it has fugly icons and Iconpackager needs updating for the best fix to this.
I also hate that it disabled/uninstalled the search tool, Everything... it took some brute force to get it back.
Could probably think of more, but not at 2.20 am.
There have been several articles in Lifehacker and PC World since January that highlight how 'aggressive' Microsoft is getting with their Windows 10 'campaign' (for lack of a better word). There are even reported instances of Windows 10 updates 'uninstalling' Chrome. Even better,, they reported when you use Explorer or Edge to try and download and reinstall, they have reported pop-ups that ask if you really want to download it or install it. Chrome seems to be the one most targeted by the updates with people reporting missing .dll files for Chrome, Chrome not opening, Chrome opening and it's blank. The bad part of it is that they had to jump through hoops to do a complete uninstall of Chrome to reinstall it and in some cases have it happen again. When you read some of the stuff, it's interesting to see what sites blame anti-virus or the' loose nut behind the wheel' and others point at Windows 10.
Back when this started in September, the Verge caught on to it..
Microsoft is aggressively pushing its new web browser, Edge, to Windows 10 users when they attempt to search for other browsers — like Firefox or Chrome — using Microsoft's own browser. The tactic was first spotted by VentureBeat and also picked up by MarketingLand, whichran several searches in Bing on Windows 10 to show the various ways that Microsoft is pushing Edge. Right now, when Windows 10 users try to search for and download Google Chrome or Firefox from Microsoft's Edge browser, a dark bar appears at the top of the search results page saying that Microsoft recommends they use Edge, with a "Learn Why" button. Learn Why simply leads to a marketing page for the Edge browser. (This experience was only reported in the US, by the way; we can't confirm whether this is something that Windows 10 users in other markets are seeing, as well.)
Microsoft is aggressively pushing its new web browser, Edge, to Windows 10 users when they attempt to search for other browsers — like Firefox or Chrome — using Microsoft's own browser.
The tactic was first spotted by VentureBeat and also picked up by MarketingLand, whichran several searches in Bing on Windows 10 to show the various ways that Microsoft is pushing Edge.
Right now, when Windows 10 users try to search for and download Google Chrome or Firefox from Microsoft's Edge browser, a dark bar appears at the top of the search results page saying that Microsoft recommends they use Edge, with a "Learn Why" button. Learn Why simply leads to a marketing page for the Edge browser. (This experience was only reported in the US, by the way; we can't confirm whether this is something that Windows 10 users in other markets are seeing, as well.)
Lifehacker did an article on Windows 10 updating and openly reported that Windows 10 reset default programs even when told not to, but the person writing the article seemed to have such a chub on for Microsoft that they dismissed it like you'd dismiss your four year old for tracking a little dirt into the house.
I've personally come across programs that did not work with Windows 10 back in November, but work now. When I first updated, I could not get my Microsoft webcam to work anymore. It removed the program and drives and said it was incompatible. I looked all over the web, on MS sites and all said the same thing...that my particular webcam was no longer compatible. Then, last week, just for the hell of it, I came across the disk for it and installed it and whaddaya-know, it works great. I was inches from throwing away two perfectly good webcams cause the updates uninstalled them and Microsoft said they were NOT compatible with Windows 10. So now, I'm double checking everything.
They say that the 'incognito' mode on Edge (which couldn't come out quick enough for some users) actually leaves traces of your 'incognito' activity stored on your hard drive and some sites are telling people to STOP using the incognito mode all together. I'm not sure if that has been fixed yet or not.
They're going to find a way into our lives no matter what. When I walk into a department store and my phone starts buxzzing with coupons for that store, out of the blue, I kinda figure it's over and we lost.
Good to see you, Po.... and yeah, Microsoft has been waaaaaay too aggressive in marketing... er, forcing its OS and browser on people. I resisted Win 10 and was quite happy with 8.1, but in the end I was given no choice.... Win 10 was my only update option after a factory reset and activation.
I didn't have the problem of Edge not wanting to download Firefox and other programs, I had the installers already, and even though Win 10 disabled or uninstalled various proggies during the 'downgrade' from Win 8.1, I simply reinstalled them later when I discovered they were missing.
I've never used Edge.... heard it was clunky and incomplete so never bothered and stuck with FF.
I find myself using it more and more. For me, it's been incredibly fast. You can even set it to a dark theme, which is nice.
I've seen your posts and understand your reservations about Windows 10. I was a bit leery at first, myself. But after using it for the past few months, I have to say it's the nicest version of Windows I've used so far. It's been so much more user friendly, despite the bumps. I had issues with the first installation and it's the first time I didn't have to go to someone else for help. Microsoft put out the fixes and the tools pretty damn fast and I was able to fix everything myself, quickly.
I hit one other bump and had to do a reinstall, bu with the installation tool they offer and the usb I made, it was easy. AND I was able to keep my important files.
The new start menu has taken some getting used to. I think it's an acquired taste for some. You have to play with it and personalize it. Before you even realize it, you're all up in it with your calendar, pics, news. It's so much better than Windows 8. I think 8 was designed more for touch users. 9And you can make the start menu a full blown menu like you had in WIndows 8, if you miss it that much.)
I don't understand a lot of the 'personal privacy' issues that people are complaining about. I'm saying they aren't there or anything. I just don't know enough to comment. That said, over all, I like Windows 10 a lot and see a lot of potential. I think you might change your mind if you take the time to really personalize the experience. There are a lot of options already built in. Just my two cents, for what it's worth.
unsure if i can post it here but i have wzors dws windows version.it kills microsoft no updates nothing and keeps it on the stable 10240
microsoft will no longer speak to me and everything works great
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