It seems Stardock are very bad at communicating. We're four months on from the release of Windows 10 and we don't know when WindowBlinds 10 will be coming. There's no ETA. Will it be this year? We don't even know if it is weeks, months or years away. We've no idea if any work is being done on it - I am sure it is though.
What would be nice is a little explanation of the problems and an update on progress.
We all knew Windows 10 would mean a large proportion of Windows users would upgrade. We all knew there was a limited, ahem, window for users to upgrade for free. We're almost halfway through that now and there's no sign of WindowBlinds 10.
For those of us who had WindowBlinds installed on Windows 8, we saw the skinning of the main windows worked fine - it was just the taskbar giving trouble. Now I don't for a moment think that means that that was all there was to do, but it's not like you had to start from scratch, does it?
The forums don't give any information other than it'll be coming at some point. Most of the replies given to people wondering are to blame them for upgrading to Windows 10 and to suggest that things like the TH2 November patch may change things (even though those replying have no idea if it did or not).
So, please, give us some indication of what's going on.
Agreed, Buff. But I do believe they were trying to compete with WindowBlinds.
TheDude, have you noticed that WindowBlinds has no competitors even though it made millions for Stardock? Those who still tried quit a very long time ago, back in the XP days. And even then all of them were simply hacking Microsoft's own native skinning engine.There is a reason why WB has no competitors: it's because it's very, very, very, difficult to pull off something like it. I don't think I would have been able to do what Jeff has managed to pull off so far in a million years. It's just too difficult.The GUI changes Jafo is talking about are mostly not visible. They are 'behind the scenes' changes Microsoft makes to the GUI engine every time they release a new Windows version and it must be a nightmare to work around these and still have a stable WB. But Jeff always manages to do it, and my hat goes off to him. He is an incredible programmer and, from what I heard, a great guy all around too.So stop giving him and Stardock a hard time. Otherwise YOU go try to make a Windowblinds clone, then come back to discuss how far you got.
As a heads up Jeff is nothing to do with WindowBlinds...
Jorge was having an Alzheimer's day.... we all have those....
Oh boy.
Alzheimer's it was for sure. Sorry Neil lol
In retrospect I have no idea of why I used Jeff Bargman's name when I actually meant you. One of those days. lol
With all being said about the upcoming WB......I want to get that dual boot up and running because......this particular WB promises to be the best yet. I can just imagine what it'll be like......another instance of putting MS to shame. Kudos to the devs at SD.
IF and ONLY IF, it skins the native start menu without forcing one to have a Win7 Style start menu. If it requires Start10, then so be it, but it absolutely must skin the Windows 10 style menu.
it always skins the start menu but start 10 always has to be required its like having plugins.theres a few things that speak in the object desktop suite to each other so one program isnt processing 50 million scripts
perhaps i missed the point of your statement,unsure but ya wbs always has skinned the start menu and taskbar with the help of the start series
re-replying.. pay no heed to this one
juggalofrost1,
See the screenshot I attached in reply #42.
Windows 8 native only had a full screen start menu. Your options for skinning a start menu forced you to step backwards and use a Win7 style menu and then WB would skin it.
Windows 10 has a hybrid style start menu, with tiles. The screenshot that Gef produced shows what I'm talking about.
This would provide actual skinning of the native OS start menu ( even if Start10 is generating it ) while allowing users to progress in technology instead of hindering their proficiency with the native OS.
I have to wonder, especially since Gef hasn't been back, if maybe Gef made the screenshot in Photoshop and doesn't actually have a start menu that looks like that.
After all, it isn't that hard to do. SydneySiders often posts screenshots where the wall overlaps the start menu, done with a graphics program.
Just saying, it wouldn't be that hard to fabricate that screenshot. Gef hasn't been back to say how he did it, so, maybe.........
Well seeing how he has PS screenshot5.png showing in the taskbar you are probably correct.
Someone proposed making it a national holiday, but others replied, "Forget it".
Um...what was the question?
Forget what?
What does that mean?
That was the first probability that I considered, but that fabrication is exactly how WB should be done on win10.
I might even update if I thought it would look like that screen shot.
I hope I am not off base here, but Here is a straight screenshot of my machine running W.B. 8 on win 10. It is possible, and with a lot of hacking I got it to run a month or two ago. So, I am eager for wb10 to move on with my life without the hack (as you can see from the screeny, I run many memory intensive programs).
Anyway, It is definitely possible to run wb without defaulting to a win7 start menu.
It always has been (the use default start menu option was always present).
Cheers.
~Leko.
P.S. Non- devs who are chomping at the bit, know that I had to make windows explorer uglier than win3.1 in order to achieve this everywhere else.
Devs, if you think this screeny may exacerbate the nay sayers that you all are dragging your feet to cause us pain and that wb8 works fine on win10, please take the post down. I just put it up to prove the point that the start menu will probably be able to remain untouched.
P.P.S.
Okay, apparently, I cannot post a screenshot. Here is a link...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8nH9D9F_4_EY2dUTVhqOUc1V2c/view?usp=sharing
69 posts and no one has added anything useful other than vague mentions that it's hard to code WB, Microsoft could be making invisible changes to the GUI that we don't know about and that WB 10 will be coming at some point in the future.
The last person to say anything helpful was Island Dog in post number 5.
Now this has descended into general chitchat about whether a screenshot is real or not, who's a WB dev, jokes about Alzheimers, etc.Sigh...
This may be in the Support Forum but it was a request for information - not support....and all that can be said/revealed about Windowblinds 10 has already been....
This forum is for support only? I didn't realise. Or maybe you're being sarcastic - I don't really understand smileys.
Jafo, I'm presuming by the Stardock icon on your avatar thing that you work for Stardock or have some kind of official relationship with them. Could you maybe close this thread? No one has anything useful to say and it's not helping anyone.No one can really add to that at this stage, so it's probably best to just end this thread as it is. People keep adding useless rubbish to it which keeps it up near the top of the forum, so people coming in to find information on WB10 end up reading this only to trawl through pages of nothing.
Neil Banfield and Island Dog have explained that Windows 10 is proving a bit more difficult to deal with than initially thought, so there's nothing more to say. If we were to go by the time it took between the release of Windows 8 and Windowblinds 8, then the end of February 2016 would be the most likely time for Windowblinds 10 to appear. With the inherent difficulties of the Windows 10 GUI it could be even longer.
Yes, this is a support forum. People post questions here when they need help with the product because something isn't working etc. You asked a question which should have been in the Windowblinds forum.
Threads have their own way of developing and, providing no-one gets harmed in the process, are allowed to continue.
You may wish to learn smilies if you wish to communicate effectively (winky - designed to let you know the post is friendly rather than harsh)
I posted this in the Windowblinds forum. I'm replying in the Windowblinds forum. Either I did something weird that has made it appear in two fora at once or someone has modified it to be like that.
I learned English so I could communicate effectively. We didn't have smilies back then. I haven't found any need for them since.
Perhaps the fora could be better labelled to distinguish what each are for.
Since I am not a windowblinds dev, I cannot give you more specific information than this, but if you want to know the why we have to wait: with Windows 8, MS dropped support for system wide skinning. They also overhauled the code the drew the windows. In Windows 10, they overhauled it again and changed the way windows are drawn (primarily in windows explorer, but there are changes system wide). Again, they still have no support for custom window frames.
Many of these changes happened after the last beta before the first full release.
Windowblinds is yet again re-designing how they accommodate those changes. There is hardly any codebase for this (save for the parts of WB8 that still work on Win10).
The first rule of beta testing is not to ask for an E.T.A. We do not even have a beta yet, so demanding an ETA or more specific info is not really appropriate.
~Leko
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