By hook or by crook…the evolution of “by mistake”.

DrJBHL

Join Date 04/2002

+4253

By hook or by crook…the evolution of “by mistake”.

I don’t mind that MS wants to market its newest product. It has its good and bad points, much like any other product does, open markets and all that.

What I do mind is forcible marketing, and using a tool which is indispensible to do it, and lying about “accidents”.

For those wanting to change over to W10, it’s pretty easy. For those who don’t, we have to fight an endless battle against W10 upgrade patches designed to prep our computers for the change to W10.

For the unwary, this led to cases where W10 actually was downloaded without informed consent. Then, about two weeks ago, W10 pushed the change to W10 forcefully to some systems and MS stated later this happened “by accident”.

Now, MS is intimating that this “accident” may soon become an actual situation for millions of W7 and W8 users soon. What’s most laughable (but I’m not laughing) is MS’s newest tactic, “in order to make it easier for users to find it”. Seriously? In the age of Google (or Duckduckgo if you’re smarter)?

Early next year MS plans to re-define W10 as a “recommended update”: This will automatically install W10 depending on how you have Windows Update configured. Please check your Windows Update and just have it notify you of updates available allowing you to choose which updates you install and which you decline. Otherwise, you may be quite surprised to encounter a whole new OS after updating your machine….especially if you configured Windows Update to install “Important” and “Recommended” updates automatically.

“To verify the current update preferences on Windows 7, do the following:

Tap on the Windows-key.

Type Windows Update and hit enter. This should open the Windows Update interface.

Select "change settings" on the left side.

Uncheck "give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates" under "recommended options".

If you want, you may also switch from "install updates automatically (recommended)" to "check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them" to be on the safe side.

On Windows 8, you need to do the following instead:

Swipe from the right edge of the screen, click on Settings, then Change PC Settings and finally on Update and recovery.

Select "choose how updates get installed".

Uncheck "give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates".

Optional: Change how updates are delivered under "important updates".”

- gHacks

This isn’t the only plan MS has. To end piracy…a good thing of itself, for non-genuine versions of Windows, Microsoft plans to launch an experiment in the United States first which provides users of these systems with an opportunity to purchase a genuine copy of the operating system directly via Windows Store or by entering an activation code.

Source:

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/30/beware-microsoft-plans-to-push-windows-10-on-even-more-windows-7-and-8-systems/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e1776%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e1uio

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starkers

Join Date 05/2004

+1153

Quoting RedneckDude,

reply 24

Quoting Jafo,

reply 22

either 8 is at fault

Worked for me on 8.1 as well. No icon, no updates were reinstalled, and no Windows 10 being pushed.

Yes, but did you have you update settings changed from manual to 'automatically install'? Well I did, 3 -4 times, and therein lies the difference.... unwanted/hidden updates were able to be reinstalled. Apparently, others [including Wiz] were having the problem, which is why GWX Panel was created... to prevent MS using such forceful tactics to push Win 10 where it wasn't wanted. Since installing it my settings have remained as I set them... and no more 'nags' to get an OS I neither want or need.

Quoting Jafo,

reply 25

Starkers...no-one's calling you an idiot. It is just that IF MS thought they had managed to push the icon and/or update configs to everyone no matter what they did and/or how they followed directions to avert it then they failed to do so because at least one system on the planet definitely did not change....and I expect the 2 others of mine if left as they were and not subsequently updated manually would still be as they were.

1 - Sure felt like it, though. I've been tinkering with computers for 10 plus years now and reasonably know my way around the BIOS, Windows and the Registry, so I'm not exactly the PC illiterate novice when it comes to making such adjustments. The fact that I performed the procedure 4 times AND disabled GWX in the Registry would suggest something was awry.... and that something was, I believe, a kb [not included in the original bunch] that allowed for my update settings to somehow be changed. Thankfully, GWX Panel has ended that debacle - same for Wiz, apparently - and I'm free of the hassle.

2 - You can expect it, but what if MS does as it did to me and others... change the update settings to redownload AND install those unwanted/hidden updates? It does happen... maybe not to you.... as yet... but it can and does happen.

Anyway, that is all I have to say on the matter. I've had just 4 - 5 hours sleep in the past 3 days [vertigo, arthritic pain, etc] and too I'm knackered to be bothered with it anymore.

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RedneckDude

Join Date 04/2009

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No automatic install, EVER, on any rig of mine.

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Philly0381

Join Date 11/2004

+844

Quoting RedneckDude,

reply 27

No automatic install, EVER, on any rig of mine.

I have never used the automatic install option, it seems now that it makes a whole lot of sense.

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WebGizmos

Join Date 09/2003

+735

I found that Windows 10 icon in my system tray awhile back and went looking for way it was there and a way to get rid of it...sorry...don't remember the link to it...but it gave me these updates to uninstall and it worked. But they still keep trying to sneak it in other updates...so I keep checking each time I update.

KB2876229 SKYPE
KB2977728
KB2978092
KB2994023
KB3075249
KB3080149
KB2923545 RDP
KB2970228
KB3035583
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3068708 Telemetry
KB2592687
KB2660075
KB2506928
KB2952664 x2
KB3050265
KB2726535
KB3022345 Replaced by KB3068708 Telemetry (Caused false sfc result)
KB2545698 (IE9)
KB3065987

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ElanaAhova

Join Date 09/2008

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Quoting DrJBHL,

reply 15

Quoting starkers,

reply 14

Both Wiz and I had our download settings changed from manual installs to automatic, and not just once, either.

I don't doubt it. I inspect mine everyday as well, but I trust them not at all...Hard to fathom beyond the 'profit now' motive why a company would become...well...predatory to that degree. It's beyond sad to come to regard such a company as one of the enemy. I wish they'd show respect, but that's demanding too much, I guess.

What can I say? Linux is looking better and better.

The business/corporate environment and the politics/civics environments are intimately entwined. What becomes permissible in the civic arena strongly influences what business models become 'acceptable.' I'm not wishing to start a political 'discussion.' Merely to point out that as the political/economic climate in the U$A and the West becomes ever more favorable to the larger economic powers, (and less favorable to the small fry), business models will follow that trend, reflecting the same approaches that have recently become more acceptable. Few (if any?) western corporation would even consider such tactics (with first world citizens) 40 years ago. Now its 'OK' unless 99% of the people demand and protest. And they don't.

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