While there is talk about fixing the issue the hexes are here to stay. The developers feel that too much is gained by the usage (bigger maps, better map design, more strategy issues, etc).

It is blatantly false that you cannot make good looking round shapes on a square grid. What you cannot do is make good looking small round shapes on a square grid, and in my personal opinion the rectangular grids give better-looking circle approximations than the hex grids do for arcs with a radius greater than a couple of tiles (also, the three-tile hexagonal grid circle approximation looks like garbage to me). Also, when does Galactic Civilizations care about making round shapes? Aside from the influence circles, which are as likely to have long straight lines as long arcs, something which hex grids have less choice in handling, and whose arced segments are likely to be  large-radius arcs rather than small-radius arcs, I can't think of a reason why I'd care that the grid is supposedly better at portraying round shapes.

Whether or not a hexagonal grid is superior to a rectangular grid is entirely dependent on the situation. Creating a small round shape by filling in grid tiles? Yeah, hex grids are superior as long as it's not the 1 tile radius around an intersection approximation. Hex grids aren't that great for large round shapes, though, and they don't readily accommodate the 45, 90, 135, 225, 270, and 315 degree lines, while square grids are bad at small round shapes and don't readily accommodate the 60, 120, 240, and 300 degree lines. Square grids also allow for 8 surrounding tiles rather than 6, which means that "target plus surrounding tiles" options can hit 33% more adjacent tiles when on square grids than when on hex grids. Hexagonal grids also do not readily lend themselves to a convenient coordinate system, unlike rectangular grids.

Regardless, I don't really care what kind of grid is used. The issue with the drunk ship pilots I feel is something that will likely be polished out as the game approaches completion.

Would you, or anyone who can do so, mind explaining how hexagonal grids provide more strategic issues? Because I really don't see how a hexagonal grid is in any way superior in strategic depth to a rectangular grid. Equivalent, sure, but not superior (or, for that matter, inferior).

I can see the case for larger maps, in that the pathing is slightly less complex (maximum of six links from each tile to check, rather than the maximum of eight links for a rectangular grid, though you really ought to be using much less of a brute force pathing algorithm than checking every possible link from each tile along the path), but other than pathing there shouldn't be that much of a difference. The case for better map design is something I feel to be entirely a matter of opinion.

Oh and a square grid will translate quite nicely for 3d cubes while a hexagon cannot.

The hexagonal grid for gameplay purposes is just a square grid laid in a brick formation. Where each layer is shifted by 1/2 block. It gives the same effect (although visually looks unappealing.)

Hex or Square it matters not to me. I find neither to be more strategic than the other.

the biggest issue i have with square maps is distance

looking at a 5x5 square grid if i wanted to move from one corner to the other it should cost me 5.65 movement points however the game thinks that the four secondary angles are directly adjacent and therefore 1 tile away from the start and not the actual distance of 1.41

the only way this works is if we assume that gc2 actually used an octagon grid which was represented in squares.

the hex grid has the reverse of this problem when traveling north/south moving 8 tiles only actually moves you the equvelent of 6.9 tiles 

I didn't know galciv2 used distance like you two say?

Regular Octagons will not tessellate the plan. Although you can form a semi-regular tessellation utilizing regular octagons and squares. I do wait for the day when we get a game that uses a semi-regular tessellation instead of all typical tessellations.

This is a valid concern if your tile grid is attempting to accurately depict absolute distances on a flat plane. However, I don't see how this matters for Galactic Civilizations, where it is possible for a planet in the orbit of one star can be closer to a planet orbiting a different star than the planet is to its own star or any other celestial bodies orbiting its star. Distances in Galactic Civilizations are already so heavily distorted from the absolute distance that the difference in absolute distance traveled on the tile grid is not worth worrying about.

This is also something that can be solved by using differing movement costs, which is something entirely practical for a computer game because the computer can take care of keeping track of the numbers. Making orthogonal movement cost 2 points and diagonal movement cost 3 points comes fairly close, and wouldn't be that difficult to track even if you were doing it by hand (especially over short distances), and a computer could easily track movement costs of much greater accuracy.

If the size of the polygon that you're tessellating the squares or hexagons into is much greater than the size of the squares or hexagons, it really doesn't matter that much. Moreover, when in Galactic Civilizations do I care about how well the tiles tessellate into a circle? Starbase area of effect is about the smallest one that you care about, and that circle already has a sufficiently high radius that the error isn't much to be concerned about.

Hexagons are the regular polygon with the greatest number of sides which can tessellate into a planar grid composed only of one shape. If you tessellate with regular octagons, you'll need to have square tiles mixed into the grid.

Or, you know, if you don't assume that the grid maps to the space being represented without distortion. Because clearly those planets you occasionally see only one tile away from one another when they orbit different stars really are that physically close to one another. You're using a 2D map of 3D space which clearly has incredibly distorted the distances between various points (not to mention how much the map has to have distorted space to map the various stars onto the same plane in the first place), and you're worried that the absolute distances between a couple of points on the tile grid doesn't line up with the number of movement points it takes for you to cross that distance? It's not like there aren't ways of distorting a rectangular grid in order to make it work; just take a look at a globe or any flat map of the world.

And one of the most popular map projections used in the present is the Mercator projection, which uses a rectangular grid to preserve relative bearing from one point to another but makes no pretensions to accurately represent the distance between points on a uniform scale (unless the points are at the same latitude and you're measuring distance along that line). If you're trying to map a spherical surface onto a flat plane, you really need to decide first what you want to preserve, because you have to sacrifice the accuracy of something in order to make the projection.

If you're going to complain about the way a square grid distorts movement costs, you shouldn't bring up Civ5, which maps a presumably spherical body to a regular hexagonal grid, as evidence of how great hexagons are at preserving the distances. If you want a grid of regular hexagons mapped to the surface of a sphere, then some of those hexagonal tiles in Civ5 should only be adjacent to five tiles and the strips marking the North and South poles should come fairly close to being a single tile. If your map is just looking at, say, Africa, then the grid of regular hexagons might be fairly close to accurately portraying the distances, bearings, and connectivity between points on the continent. If you're looking at the planet as a whole, the hexagonal grid really isn't any better than a square or rectangular grid.

Yea its time to move from Squares to Hexagons. If its really a huge deal just turn the grid off like I suggested in another thread. The game looks simply amazing for an Alpha and if you turn OFF the grid the game looks even better. 

+1 for moar Hexes.....

It was on the Dev Stream (one of the first ones).

I have to admit that while I love hexes for a tactical strategy game, like military tabletop strategy games, for a grand strategy, civilization building game like GC2, I prefer the squares.  

Do you know what the word "humor" means? Lol maybe I should've added some smiley faces.

Only 3 dimensions?  Why not 4 dimensional hypercubes?

Nice demo charon2112 [reply #23] more or less what I was thinking except for the revolving effect.