Heh, "going forward... I had two disks (probably still have, haven't opened that shelf for years). One had assorted bagpipe marches, another had some movie, don't remember which, thinking of Cross of Iron, maybe I had two movie disks with this problem. Both of them had problems playing on my previous rig. When I got new one - guess what, they were working flawlessly. Alas, didn't worked with games. Still hate them for that. Well, I don't, I shot them.

Again I've come from the school that knows someday he wont have the internet, and his computer crashes. So he needs to reinstall windows. Good thing he has disks of civilization or galactic civilizations. Then he puts it in, so he can play the game. The game works fine without the patch.

This seems to be my world. The games at the store were the ones I just mentioned.

I like both methods. I like having the patches, but when that day comes my computer crashes and I don't have the internet I'm glad for phusical disks.