My old friend Steven Den Beste wrote this awhile back:
Let's talk about the Third Amendment for a moment. Remember that one? Probably not; in this day and age it's something of a Constitutional joke. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." Remember now? The Bill of Rights which passed Congress had twelve clauses, and ten of them were almost immediately ratified by the states. Amendment Three was one of those. Why did they bother? It's because memory of the Revolution was still current. It was only a few years after the Revolution succeeded, remember, and memory of British tyranny was still fresh. The British had done this, and the citizens of the nascent United States wanted to make sure their new government didn't. The reason the colonies revolted was because the King of England was viewed as having become a tyrant. Having fought a bloody war to become free of his tyranny, the founders wanted to make sure the new government they created did not in turn become tyranny. Trading one tyrant for another wasn't what they had in mind. So the Constitution contains layers of mechanisms to try to prevent tyranny. And the last and best of these is the Second Amendment. Remember how the shooting revolution began? The Battles of Lexington and Concord. Rebels in the Boston area had been stockpiling weapons, powder, and ammunition near Concord MA, and the British got wind of it and sent an armed column out from Boston to seize the stockpile. Superb espionage by rebel forces detected this, and word spread through the countryside for the militia (remember that word; it's important) which formed up and fought against the British force. The main battle was fought at Lexington MA, which repelled the British and caused them to retreat again back to Boston. The "militia" was all able bodied men in the area, who were to show up with their own rifles (or muskets). Weapons of that era varied quite a lot, and of course they were muzzle-loaded using black powder. It took a lot of training to use such a weapon effectively (especially rifles, which were much more difficult to load than muskets) and that's why it was desireable that the men have their own weapons. It was assumed they already knew how to use them. The earliest battles of the revolution were fought by such militia formations. Another was the Battle of Bunker Hill. It was only later that the Revolutionary Army was formed, and began training at Valley Forge. Having just won their revolution, in which privately owned firearms played such a critical role, and mindful of the potential for their new government to potentially become tyrannical, the purpose of the Second Amendment was to make sure that the people of the United States would have the means to rise in revolt once again, should it become necessary. That's what it's really about. It's not about hunting weapons; it's not about the "National Guard" (which isn't a militia). It's about everyday law-abiding citizens having the ability to resist a tyrannical government. And with that deterrent in place, we've managed 230 years without our government descending into tyranny (though it's come close).
Let's talk about the Third Amendment for a moment. Remember that one? Probably not; in this day and age it's something of a Constitutional joke. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law."
Remember now? The Bill of Rights which passed Congress had twelve clauses, and ten of them were almost immediately ratified by the states. Amendment Three was one of those. Why did they bother?
It's because memory of the Revolution was still current. It was only a few years after the Revolution succeeded, remember, and memory of British tyranny was still fresh. The British had done this, and the citizens of the nascent United States wanted to make sure their new government didn't.
The reason the colonies revolted was because the King of England was viewed as having become a tyrant. Having fought a bloody war to become free of his tyranny, the founders wanted to make sure the new government they created did not in turn become tyranny. Trading one tyrant for another wasn't what they had in mind. So the Constitution contains layers of mechanisms to try to prevent tyranny. And the last and best of these is the Second Amendment.
Remember how the shooting revolution began? The Battles of Lexington and Concord. Rebels in the Boston area had been stockpiling weapons, powder, and ammunition near Concord MA, and the British got wind of it and sent an armed column out from Boston to seize the stockpile. Superb espionage by rebel forces detected this, and word spread through the countryside for the militia (remember that word; it's important) which formed up and fought against the British force. The main battle was fought at Lexington MA, which repelled the British and caused them to retreat again back to Boston.
The "militia" was all able bodied men in the area, who were to show up with their own rifles (or muskets). Weapons of that era varied quite a lot, and of course they were muzzle-loaded using black powder. It took a lot of training to use such a weapon effectively (especially rifles, which were much more difficult to load than muskets) and that's why it was desireable that the men have their own weapons. It was assumed they already knew how to use them.
The earliest battles of the revolution were fought by such militia formations. Another was the Battle of Bunker Hill. It was only later that the Revolutionary Army was formed, and began training at Valley Forge.
Having just won their revolution, in which privately owned firearms played such a critical role, and mindful of the potential for their new government to potentially become tyrannical, the purpose of the Second Amendment was to make sure that the people of the United States would have the means to rise in revolt once again, should it become necessary.
That's what it's really about. It's not about hunting weapons; it's not about the "National Guard" (which isn't a militia). It's about everyday law-abiding citizens having the ability to resist a tyrannical government. And with that deterrent in place, we've managed 230 years without our government descending into tyranny (though it's come close).
Really? Obamacare taught you nothing? The NSA? The TSA? Roll over beethoven.
The American revolution was unique in its time for 2 reasons. They defeated the worlds most powerful imperialist empire, and they decided to acknowledge that rights are inborn and not granted by government.
Name others that did the same.
That is indeed a big part of it. Well said.
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This thread (and the last few posts in particular are) is making me feel like saying..........
HOOOOOOOOOOORAH! and.......................MURICA!!!!!
........carry on....hehe
Only in so far as the people will not revolt or move to another country. I read a bit of the Canadian constitution and it does a lot more to protect the queen and her litter, than it does the people that work her land.
I used to have a great respect for the USA and its founding fathers but now I feel like I am living in Poland in 1937 if you get my meaning.
i agree with a lot of the opinions here and disagree with others. But there seems to be a focus on by most of you (although not all) that the 2nd is to as printed protect us from our own government, which it is among other things.
I have family in law enforcement i have a cousin who's a an office in moore Oklahoma and a cousin who's an officer in los angeles and one misconception of the police force in the US (probably other countries as well) is that they're there to protect you if you need them. Thats a bunch of garbage they're going to track down who killed you and your family yes. but they aren't going to come breaking down your door to take out the bad guys who are doing some home invasion. If you dial 911 how long does it take for them to get there? I mean remember they don't have an unlimited supply of officers just waiting around for you call. It's going to take some time and 10 minutes is an extremely long time. Somebody could have killed you and your family and left with all your jewelry before the cop ever gets there.
Lets for a second think about what would happen if the US did strike the 2nd and declare fire arms illegal. You would take the guns from the hands of law biding citizens. Criminals would still have theirs since they get them illegally so you would only empower criminals to perform even more acts of violence since the populace is now unarmed and the criminals have nothing to fear. how many more gas stations would get robbed per night or home invasions or rapes where the husband is forced at gun point to watch his wife or daughter raped in front of him. I mean you'd have a surge of violence that would lead the country into a far far darker time then it is now.
I read an article once that stated that the states with the most flexible gun laws actually had far less violent (violent being the key here) crimes. I did grow up in LA before moving to texas and i can tell you that a lot of times that gas station on the corner didn't get robbed is because everybody knew that they cashier had a shotgun under the counter. Homes aren't broken into as often when there's NRA stickers on the cars in the driveway and things of that nature.
So yes the law was originally meant to keep the government from treating it's people poorly and so that the people can have a means to fight back (which as it stands even the guns we do have aren't going to hold up to F-16s and M1-abrams) but the need has changed with times just like the meaning of words have changed.
Just remember the police are there to clean up and chase down the people the did you and your family wrong. they aren't going to come breaking down your door and killing the bad guys like some magical white knight the second you tell the 911 operator somebody just broke your front door down. It's up to you to protect your family until the cops arrive and the best way to do that is with a gun because it makes no sense to take a knife to a gun fight.
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