What happened to Global Warming?
When I put my first above ground pool in around the late 90's we were able to open it in April and start swimming in May.
Now my pool is just opened and still not warm enough to swim in
I'd like some global warming back...
Only if we chose to impose such a solution. Which would really suck if it were unnecessary.
Mind you, the only people who would suffer a drop in wealth are those currently without much.
There is at least a possibility that mild warming would expand the amount of productive land and enable an end to hunger.
It's 'possibilities' that we're arguing about after all.
Porcine Aviators are more likely.
Desert expansion doesn't need any extra help .... and ice melt and resulting sea level rises will lose you more than you gain from a bit less snow...
BTW...if/when Arctic/Antarctic sea ice melts it'll be problematic sowing crops...
It's reddit. As much as I enjoy browsing for interesting news or cat memes, reddit is the biggest hive mind on the internet. There is only one correct opinion and it is that of the collective which sets about karma-lashing you into obscurity if you don't agree.
thats more just the liberal mindset made manifest.
it's been discussed before: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
It was about 2 degrees warmer during the height of the Roman Empire and they weren't under water. They did get to wear togas, however.
I work from home quite often. I wear togas all the time. Don't need no stinking global warming to wear togas.
And Ephesus was a bustling seaport then - thanks to subsequent cooling it's now ~5 miles from any water. If only we'd had effective 'global cooling alarmists' back then, it might still be thriving.
There's always opportunity in any 'change'. But AGW alarmists refuse to consider the possibility of any potentially beneficial/offsetting aspects of warming.
That's because of tectonics... the land is pushed up by the African continent.
5 miles in 2000 years?
If the 'tectonics' are moving that fast we're all screwed. You can forget about GW...with or without 'A'....
The land moves up a few meters... and that means the shoreline can go a long way if the land slopes gently.
Just watched a program on the weather channel about the melting of Greenland's glacier (and glaciers everywhere)...that will cause two things: Sea level rise of one foot and decline in the amount of fresh water.
It's happening and the burning of fossil fuels is the culprit. Wouldn't advise buying land in coastal areas.
There's a video available (relating to the Tibetan Glacier) if you want to see it: http://www.weather.com/video/melting-glaciers-38749
Yes there are opportunities, but if the sea level rises in this century by a small amount like 1 meter huge areas will get under water, and guess what, millions are living next to the sea, and there are many important cities next to it as well.
Maybe, but I guess the accumulation of sand (wash, drift, burden, alluvium? lol i have no idea which is the correct word here) is a part of it, like in Troyes, it can really make a difference after some time, and push shores kilometers forward.
I think you're overstating this. One meter won't make much of a difference except for extremely low-lying areas, but world-wide it won't make much of a difference.
But the melting is an unstoppable process and the real problems start a few centuries later, when the sea level rises 2 meters, then 3 meters, etcetera. The only way to stop such a process would be to remove trillions of tons of CO2 from the atmosphere, but I don't think people will be prepared to invest lots and lots of money just to save some houses of people who were dumb enough to live in the new coastal areas. After all, it's not like you didn't see it coming centuries in advance...
This post goes from the sublime to the ridiculous and from people I thought knew better.
Time for me to avoid any further monitoring of comments.
Enjoy your Kool-aid.
You might want to take a trip to Venice some time....the real one...not that silly bit of Vegas.
There are entire Countries that will disappear under 1 meter... but you might have to look at an Atlas some time to notice.
Arbitrary imaginations.... "I think...".... Are you really doing so? Much appears to be random musings peppered with links to 'stuff' found on the net.
The sole purpose seems to be to prolong this thread. You'd be far better served educating yourself directly.
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/
The sea levels today are about 2 meters higher than they were back during he Roman times.
Also, no reputable source is claiming sea levels are going to rise, AGW or no, a meter in the next century. the sea level has been rising about a couple mm a year since the last ice age ended And it has been a very steady rise at that.
This is another reason AGW proponents are so frustrating. They don't know the science. They don't read the IPCC reports. They watch An Inconvenient Truth and think they know something. There is zero evidence that fossil fuels are the cause. That's because CO2 is unlikely to be a significant driver of temperatures one way or the other. It's a weak green house gas making up 0.4% of the atmosphere.
Humans instinctively wish, dream we had control over the weather. It's not new. We used to blame witches. Now we blame oils and coal. Not that people truly believe it because they aren't willing to personally do anything about it.
Guess it was too indirect, but my point was that any effort to preserve an idealized status quo is a fool's errand. You're/we're up against myriad forces we don't understand and over which we have negligible influence.
Translation: I'm going to make up some caricature of what I think AGW proponents are like and then criticize that caricature. "They" will probably come across as meaningfully representative of everyone. I know much more about CO2 as a greenhouse gas than anyone else - especially those pesky self important "scientists". It's only 0.4% of the atmosphere afterall - I couldn't possibly be missing anything - it's all so simple! It's all just a plot of those socialist statists to usurp my rights and even if it were true there's nothing we can do about it anyway so who cares!
It's 400ppm, that's 0.4 parts per thousand, that's 0.04 parts per hundred, so that's 0.04% isn't it ?
And how does 2 meters in 2,000 years even come close to (worst case scenario of) 1 meter in 100 years?
It's probably going to be 1 meter, because the rate of CO2 production/year will only increase in the coming century, and the oceans still have a lot of catching up to do with China's huge CO2 input of the last decade.
I'm not even sure if it's really 2 meters in the last 2,000 years, this plot shows 0 meters, and about 2 meters in the last 6,000 years.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Sea_Level.png
It seems that you do not know science. Denialist is not a scientific or even a descriptive term. It is a pejorative term used by those lacking a scientific background to end a debate because they do not know how to debate the issue. The root of the pejorative comes from the Holocaust deniers. Skeptics do not deny science. They in fact are using science to question hysterical and unsubstantiated claims. But since those claims cannot be substantiated, the non-scientists then resort to terms like denialists.
If you want to discuss the science, that is fine. If you want to get into name calling, that is your prerogative. But it is not science.
And I see no one arguing with that. But that is a non sequitur. The debate is HOW MUCH of an effect. CO2 has risen by 20% over the past 17 years, yet temperatures have not risen at all. So again, the question is how much does CO2 affect the temperature.
As you are not a scientist, perhaps this would be a good place to start learning about the relationship: http://climateaudit.org/2008/01/07/more-on-the-logarithmic-formula/
I don't get why otherwise intelligent people think it is intelligent to use senseless insults instead of debating the issue. Denialist is not descriptive nor is it scientific. It is pure hysterics. But that is just me
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