I love this thread.

Cartilage?  You were lucky to have cartilage.  We only had a few stringy sinews hanging by a thread.

I actually had a problem with the data specifically because of the local weather.  I started looking into this because I was somewhat confused by the idea that 98 was the hottest year on record for the US, well above the dust bowl era.  My grandfather grew up in the depression, and his family left the dust bowl on account of it being a dust bowl.  I currently live on the edge of that dust bowl now, on the farm he bought when he retired, in the same county he grew up in.  I found it perplexing that higher temperatures were supposed to result in more severe droughts, considering the drought this area has been in was far less severe than it was then.

After that, my natural curiosity took over, it's a curse really, and several hundred hours later, I knew more about the subject than the scientists they poll for support.  The why behind the lacking drought and other obvious indicators that the US was in a hotter than the 30's climate was explained by the discovery that they reduced old records, and corrected new ones up even though they were in urban heat islands and reading high to begin with.  As the years have gone on, the obvious corruption in how they manipulate the data to fit the theory has become far more obvious, but they were already shifting the temperature trend by well over a degree in the late 90's

One of the things you have to realize is that the media, even people posting videos on youtube, are heavily biased towards the destruction of global warming even if they don't have a dog in the race, simply because of the nature of media.  No one wants to watch videos of glaciers expanding, it's not sensational or exciting in any way and you'd have to time lapse footage for ten years to get the point across anyway.  It also garners a lot more attention if you hype it up when storm X rolls through town, even though it's just a generic, boring ass storm the place has seen a hundred like in the last century.  The flooding in the northeast of Texas a few months ago was a perfect example, it was terrible, set new records, blah blah blah.  The last time the Red River flooded bad, it washed the railroad tracks out and there were fish swimming across 271 north of Paris, I drove through it about an inch below the peak flood, it was only 5 or 6 inches, and it was a good 15 feet short of the railroad tracks.  That was only thirty years back, and they pretend it wasn't far worse.

Quoting Campaigner,

reply 2627

Yes, Psychoak, I know you're staring at the screen in disbelief and probably facepalmed so hard the neighbor heard it 

I reserve face palming for the truly depressing, like whatever the fuck is wrong with my last post.  I tried to fix the quotes but they weren't broken.

Edit: Apparently copying someone's post is including hidden metadata that fucks the quote system, I had to use the quote button and copy the quoted text into my reply and nuke my original post to get this one to behave...

Horses are dumb, smelly animals, I'm not too bent out of shape over it.

That's right, condone something that exacerbates 'global warming'.  Shame on you!  The processes to reduce a horse to glue are well known to add to already rising temperatures.  So no, while the glue itself may be of high quality, it's not a good idea to 'gum' up the atmosphere with dead horse.

The universe of possibilities based on unproven theory, speculation, correlation, association and imagination is infinite.

The universe of possibilities based on facts and (un-doctored) evidence is rather more discrete and finite.

That's what I've been trying to say for ages, except people keep feeding the horse in the hope they can beat it some more.

All that's left of the poor bloody thing now is the pile of manure...

Why stop at one?  There are NO half measures in these desperate times, so I say burn down the lot. 

Then there's all the volcanic eruptions as well.... not to mention all the hot air above Canberra Washington, etc, sucking the oxygen out of the atmosphere.

Frankly, politicians should keep their mouths shut... thus killing two birds with one stone:

1:  A massive reduction in CO2,

2:  No more lies/broken promises.

The global warming nutcases refuse to recognize that the planets climate is always in a state of change and always will be.  They are incapable of understanding that they have never shown that anything other than this natural cycle is occurring.  And yet they claim science is on their side and ridicule anyone who attempts to point out the problems in their often silly beliefs.  My favorite is that the north pole will melt and flood the world.  That ice is already in the water, displacing all the water it is ever going to displace no matter what form it is in.  But I apparently I am the crazy and un-scientific person for pointing that out.

The only way the earth will ever flood is if an alien race institutes a massive water relocation program and brings an ocean full of water here from another planet.  Man, these people are brain-dead stupid!

You know, there is a cartoon that goes like this: a man is sitting at a PC typing madly. His wife/girlfriend asks him to come to bed. He responds "I can't. this is important" She asks "What is". He responds "Someone is wrong on the Internet".

Really, if you're all so tired of people posting a pro-climate change positions here, why do you keep responding?

You're not even responding with facts anymore. Just ridicule, jokes and name calling. and actually expecting someone to review 105 pages of comments.

Let it go. What they believe isn't going to do anything to you. Just let it slide, take a deep breath, and move on to the next thread

No one who has any real influence on climate change policy is going to post in this forum, so it's a huge waste of your time and energy.

And I have a productive suggestion. Just collect a few links to articles that you believe explain your position, and when someone posts here, just resond with a cut and paste of those links. Done.

What he said.

It's all just pissing into the wind.....and at the end of the day all you get is smelly legs....

I've always responded with facts, even when ridiculing someone.  After all, when you call an idiot an idiot, you're still stating a fact.

This got me banned before, if I remember right...