Microsoft need to get serious about making Operating systems in the future and needs to give me at least 1 good reason to switch from Win 7 which is the best Operating system I've used to something new. With Win 8 I have nothing but reasons NOT to switch. Get serious people.
I think you'll find the date and time is current.
Yes, I do have it installed...and yes I am unimpressed. It has been installed ever since it was available...just NOT as a prime system.
Why do you think I'm a Technet subscriber? To religiously avoid every OS release.....or.....?
The only difference between you and I is...I won't change my opinion of Win8. At best I MIGHT be persuaded to put-up-with-it.
Or just stick with 7 simply because it works.
I couldn't find any good reason to upgrade and many reasons not to. Win 7 is functional and 8 doesn't move in the right direction. Maybe its good for mobile phones and tablets, but not my desktop. Its an epic failure on the part of Microsoft when I refuse to drop down even 40 bucks for their latest OS. Even the guys at Microsoft admit that 8 isn't finished and it shows. And unlike Vista, the direction doesn't appeal to me. Vista had performance issues, but it had lots of stuff added over XP and it was a step in the right direction. I'm not all that sure why those who actually like the monstrosity treat those of us who hate it as flat earthers or knuckle dragging troglodyte trolls who refuse to evolve.
Ah, but I'm not stubborn.
Besides, my opinion change was due to recognising and embracing the benefits Win 8 has to offer above and beyond Win 7. Yeah, I changed my mind, so what! Once you peel away Metro, Win 8 is a faster Win 7 and it works... more efficiently. For mine, anyone who wants to complain about that has to have rocks in their head. I mean, really, had Win 8 been released without the Metro interface, there'd be such little difference between them and debates such as this simply wouldn't be raging so unnecessarily.
The fact is, nobody has to deal with Metro if they don't like it, so really, what's all the freaking fuss all about?
Having to deliberately side-step the Win 8 "feature" to actually discover a viable OS. Dating a sexy sheila is one thing...but if her ugly sister rides shotgun it's a turn-off.
Have I explained it yet?
You shouldn't HAVE TO jump through hoops to make an OS more comfortable to use....and if it's Grand Design is to get people sliming greasy fingers all over a touch screen then at least throw in the touch screen with the OS to make it viable.
Jury is still out re speed....my Laptop "boots" in Win 7 faster than I can type in the password - less than 2 seconds. [because it's not a true hard boot].
...and the number of times this machine sees a boot? .....count them on the fingers of one hand in a year, so boot speed [all those finding issues with Fences in 8] is pretty much a non-issue....
one thing i dislike is the Metro screen, not for it's look or it's functionality, but that it gets slapped in my face when i lanuch an application. you know, in Windows 7 i hit the WIN key, type some letters and hit ENTER. most of the time i do not even look at the menu. sure the typing can be done in Windows 8 as well, but why does it insist to show me that Metro screen, when there is no need to see it.
if at least they would have created a monochromatic icon set to go with these scrollbars. the whole thing just looks horrible mixed with those semi-realistic icon left-overs.
"it's a touch-optimized os, well the desktop isn't really touch-optimized ... and if you want to use it with your mouse we have these nice keyboard shortcuts for you ...". looks like Windows 8 was planned as an assassination attempt on Steve Jobs. make him die of laughter.
if you work on the fish market for a few months there's a good chance you will not notice the smell anymore. the fish market still smells.
moshi ...Win 8 needs some TLC from LoneRunnr ....
Fear not...the Stardock crew are in da house....
I don’t know if post #45 was wasted time on my side or simply not understandable Its all nice that Stardock develops the software for our needs but you guys especially should report things like the stuff you mentioned you don’t like the utterly ugly and unusable GUI that has sunrays coming out of its arse, i can understand not doing so since the income of Start8 and Decor8 must had have been huge i would count money also but besides that devs have more credibility than users in general. I know Stardock made reports and even articles about windows8 but its simply not enough same gioes for the users itself. But as i said before if nothing gets reported or disliked and nobody provides tips for the future or ideas for improving things MS will count numbers in sales surely take the path that the company thinks is correct for the future... I don’t mind going into that direction i still have my win8 or windows7 copy i can return to but as it seems some of you folks are waiting for a new OS especially the ones that hate and bash on W8 you can feel it in almost every post (it was like this in the other thread also.) The talk suddenly changed to windows9 everyone was complaining about it that you will be forced more and more into the store and all such stuff but in not a single post was somebody mentioning trying to make a change about that path. I can understand you don’t like windows8- OK but some do and if ( we ) want a better new OS we will have to report certain things and ideas that can improve the experience on it for BOTH SIDES... crying and feet stomping doesn’t help
Huh?
Last I heard He was working for Google... Might need a revisit to L.S.
XP compared to 7 is like one choosing to watch an old, CRT, black and white TV over a big screen LCD TV in color.
Like choosing a horse and buggy over a limo.
Like choosing the Wright Brother's plane over a Lear jet.
Like..........
Hey hey hey XP is perfectly well like a color TV. It's got a poor native resolution, the display's a bit washed out, and it glitches often...but it's in color.
it all boils down to personal preference, i reckon. some (myself, phoon, the monk, starkers, and others) like it. others don't. i admit i didn't at first but i've grown to like it quite a bit. i've gone full blown into the win 8 ecosystem since i now have it on my desktop, my phone, and my tablet (i've let my daughter have the ipod mini for the time being). for me, it works quite well. obviously, for others it doesn't. to each their own. now, let's please stop the diatribe towards other members and move on. there's far more important things in da world worth debating, doncha think? for example, 1) intel vs amd procs (INTEL) or 2) nvidia vs amd gpus (AMD) or 3) parnelli jones vs dan gurney vs aj foyt vs mario andretti (AJ, of course). no, f1 drivers don't enter the equation since i don't follow f1 at all.
As long as there is something to debate there will be angry nerds on forums debating it
The point is, Metro is the point of Windows 8. If you dont love Metro there is no reason to upgrade from an earlier version of Windows.
Not to mention it is downright stupid to
A lot of money... for NOTHING.
QFT
What are the major advantages of Windows 7 over Win XP? I dont see any worth an early upgrade.
I cant think of anything more....and I use both Win 7 and XP (work/home).
Is Win 7 better than XP? Yes.... but not good enough to warrant spending money on it.
As for Windows 8.... :
Independent of if the new GUI is good or bad..... it certainly has a considerable learning curve.
Why should I annoy myself with that... when the system offers no worthy features above Win 7? Win 8 would need to have some tremendous huge advantages over 7 to be interesting, to justify both money and time loss.
Personally I had the preview version for a while and I hate the new GUI. I see no advantage in a mobile phone GUI on a desktop system.
It is pathetic.... people have huge flatscreen nowadays.... and now you offer me an OS that would look great on a 13 inch CRT? Seriously?
As for the support end if Windows 7.... I would not take even an official press release from MS very serious currently. Some underpaid tech support person will have neither the information and most certainly not the authority to state such things.... and so I find your source most unrealiable.
If the market demands, that the support is prolonged... you can follow that demand.... or leave the market.
Proof? Win XP is supported until 2014..... and certainly not because MS likes to do that. So why do they do it? Because they have little choice in the matter. When they intended to chancel it earlier, a large portion of their userbase was still running it and had no intentions of upgrading anytime soon. Certainly, you could all piss them off..... but especially business users in that case might reconsider using Windows alltogehter. And that is something that MS cannot allow to happen.
Win 7 will likely be supported until 2020... especially as it becomes more and more clear that Win 8 will not be a success.
On being somewhat offtopic:
MS problem is partially that XP and Win 7 are both quite good OS. Everyone hated Win 98 crashes and everyone hated Vistas slowness. That makes a great incentive for people to upgrade. That incentive is not here anymore. As software does not age in the normal way (wear and tear), it gets more and more difficult to convince the userbase into quick upgrading.
There are many peoples.... who buy something because it is new. And not because it has any advantages over the old stuff.
I have a hard time understanding how Windows 8 offers any advantages to a desktop user over Windows 7. Booting up faster seems like a non-issue (how often are using cold booting their machines)
Someone mentioned RT for game development. No, it is weak for that too. You have to develop your game using an extreme subset of capabilities that you'd have with a normal PC game. They could have made RT games conform to XBOX rules or something but they didn't. Sure, my $2500 workstation machine can play angry birds but so can a Chromebook.
I haven't see anyone discuss the various achilles heel of RT. You don't know if your app is going to finish a job if it's in the background. I don't just mean with third party apps. I have a decade of photos on SkyDrive. I assign the Photoapp to read through them. But if it's not the foreground app, it doesn't seem to do anything. That's absolutely killer. I'm not going to turn my workstation into a single purpose PC. It's WINDOWS not WINDOW. That scenario applies to many desktop tasks. RT absolutely cripples multitasking -- which is fine on a light mobile device but on a desktop?
There is also the terrible UI of Metro. On an iPad, I can turn down or up the brightness by double tapping on the home button and quickly getting to the brightness slider. In Metro, I have to slide the charms bar out, click on settings, click on the brightness control and then adjust. That's a lot of steps. And a lot of things take an extra step or two like that.
Managing find results is useless. If I type in the word "budget" it lists results based on...I have no idea. It's not alphabetical. It's not by date. It's not by size and there are no sorting options.
The store can only show a couple of things in a section at a time and is inefficient to navigate (everything looks the same at a glance).
Has someone put up some actual advantages of Windows 8 over Windows 7 as a desktop OS that overcome these (and plenty of other serious problems)? The lists I've seen have been dancing on the edge -- nicer looking (but less effective) task manager, smaller memory footprint (which is largely irrelevant on a 64-bit OS with 8 gigs of memory). Even Explorer itself in Windows 8 is less useful because they brought in the Office-style pages into it.
If you want to see how you can have a really good full screen environment for apps that utilize it without crippling the entire experience, see MacOS X Mountain Lion.
Like being on dial up after having fiber optics.
1) (AMD) 2) (nVidia ) 3) (Who?) (NASCAR!!!)
Win8 is faster (considerably so) on older hardware (I've tested that extensively) and while that might not matter to those who can just purchase new hardware, there are those who might still be running machines like my 2005 notebook and although my notebook initially shipped with XP was then upgraded to Vista Business, Win7 Pro and now Win8 Pro it is Win8 that runs the most efficiently and smoothly.
Nicer looking but less effective task manager? I'm not sure I understand that as in the 'more details' view the task manager provides all of the info it used to and then some. Different and will take some getting used to (if you're like me and the first thing you ever open when your system boots is in fact the task manager) but certainly not 'less effective'.
Smaller memory footprint also very welcomed since as I stated Win8 Pro runs flawlessly (at least as a 'connectivity machine' and not a dev platform of course) on my 2005 Inspiron with only 2GB of RAM. Of course seeing as it is so old the hardware only supports the 32-bit version so take that for what it is.......
Explorer again may be a tad foreign to the advanced user with the 'office-esque' tabs thrown in but I think over time (once a person weathers the learning curve) one might even find the new explorer to be faster in doing the 'usual tasks'. I mean lets think about this, many of us have spent many years with the old explorer (and task manager etc.) it would only be fair to expect it could take some time to really give the new menus/window structures a real go. I guess time will tell....
As far as OSX Mountain Lion goes.........I have it on a couple of iMacs. Truth be told, until Win8 I did in fact think it was the most 'usable' of the OS's available to my family and they did seem to gravitate towards using it over the various Windows platforms also available. Now? Now I'm seeing the various family members 'finding excuses' to use the Windows 8 machines......just my personal experience. Obviously that would be different in other families....
Only one point why XP is inferior to 7 ?
Simple, 1 phrase :
64bit
PERIOD
Not to speak of overall better RAM handling... My 2 GB eeePC has never run better than with 7. Big difference to crappy stone-age XP.
i agree with brad regarding the background app operation in win rt. you really never do know if the app is running or has been suspended until you return it to focus
My response to a renewal notice for Object Desktop:
Dear stardock,
My first contact with your firm was when i bought items for OS/2, one can say I am one of your oldest customers. Unfortunately we are now in the situation where Microsoft’s visions (or lack thereof) produced the current monstrosity Windows 8. Worse is yet to come, as it’s my firm conviction Microsoft will want to implement in the not too far future a closed Apple like system where they control which applications are installed and how.
Evidently this pleases me little, apart from the hideously designed UI. To install an OS that will only serve to help Microsoft to make up for the losses they’ll incur by losing the virtual OS monopoly, which reduces my control over my desktop and will need severe hacking to make it run somewhat to my liking is absurd.
So our ways must part since evidently your fate and that of Microsoft are linked. So a renewal is for me pointless since from now on you’ll need to focus on trying to make your products work with WINRT (and good luck with that), a system that’ll never be on my computers.
It was fun while it lasted, thanks for the great products you’ve created all these years. Let me know when you start a Linux/Android line.
Well then reply # 92, by a somewhat recognized knowledgeable individual, does seem to get to the core of the discussion.
I do. I shut my machine off at night and cold boot it every morning. Always have.
NASCAR! Well said!
I will venture to say that many people will be in the same boat. I somehow doubt Stardock will make a Linux/Android line. It would help GNOME and KDE look better.
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